See, like i said, TWO wonderkids....

Rooney is a special player, already one of the best in the world. So extraordinary that England's hopes of winning the World Cup rests with a 20 year old. He's not only immensely talented, he plays with heart, grit, chases every ball down and seems immune to pressure no matter how big the match. But it is totally unfair to compare Ronaldo against that standard. Can you think of a single United player that would compare favourably against Rooney? There are very few players in the world today who would compare favourably against those standards, much less a 20 year old. Why can't we just be grateful that we have these two fantastic young players playing for us?

Yes, Ronaldo can be incredibly frustrating at times. Sometimes he tries one stepover too many, makes the wrong decision or is too engrossed with his tricks and should be thinking a bit more about an end product. But he is a also a huge talent. And we saw a cameo of that talent yesterday.

I can't remember which manager it was this season, but I read a quote from a manager when we played against his side this season where he said they breathed a sigh of relief when they saw Ronaldo wasn't in the starting 11. And I betcha he's not the only one who feels that way when Ronaldo's name is missing.

The kid is 20 years old. He's had a traumatic few months. Why don't we just cut him some slack. Give him the time and space to develop and just be grateful we have one of the biggest young talents playing for us.

Or put another way, think about a United without Ronaldo...and if our choice of wingers was Giggsy (a wonderful but aging winger), Park (a good winger) and Fletcher. United would be a much poorer side without Ronaldo in it.
 
Yes, Rooney is a better player than Ronaldo, but Rooney's also a better player than any other player in the United team. I'd pick Rooney over any other player playing in England today.

I simply don't see why United fans feel compelled to criticise Ronaldo based on what a great player Rooney is. One has nothing to do with the other.

Judge Ronaldo against other top class wingers. How many wingers in the world would you swap him for and how many of those wingers do you think are "gettable" for United?
 
To be honest it all comes down to the style of play...currently rooney has more ability but ronaldo MAY have the better potential..If he is to mature who's to say hes not going to be better...another note is maybe ronaldo would have been more suited to spain, whereas rooney might not.

What really is pissing off is seeing fans shout out rooney when ronaldo was taking a free kick the other...what does that do to his confidence...man support the best two youngsters we've have for a decade!!!
 
Ronaldo's not as good as he should be

Rooney's superb

No contest whatsoever
 
That was an effective performace by Ronaldo yesterday, he was releasing the ball quicker.

What I like about Rooney along with all the obvious skill and power he has, is his awareness of what's happening around him, it is a team game afterall.
 
Plechazunga said:
Well, heartless bastard that I am, I'm going to do it anyway

Rooney's better, and anyone who disagrees is a screamer
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that's gaycist

they are both fantastic
just depends on one's definition i guess
but am glad we have both in our side!
 
midwestred said:
just depends on one's definition i guess
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Definition of what?

It doesn't depend on anything, it's not subjective, it's not a matter of opinion

Yes they are both fantastic...Rooney's much better, and anyone who prefers Ronaldo is bent

I hope these simple facts are starting to become established in your childlike minds
 
what do you think ronaldo's best position on the field is?

could he possibly play up front with rooney eventually?
 
midwestred said:
what do you think ronaldo's best position on the field is?

could he possibly play up front with rooney eventually?
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left or right wing.

and no.
 
does he mainly play on the wing for portugal?

it looks like he is all over the place without much
defensive responsibility.
 
Plechazunga said:
You don't get much more naturally talented than Rooney

Ronaldo has talent, but you can tell a lot of his tricks have come from practice

To be able to smash in a swerving volley from 25 yards, or do a perfect body-swerve past your man and chip the keeper from the edge of the area, like Rooney has for us, is just raw natural talent
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Thats bullshit. To be able to smash a volley takes practice, as you have to practice on hitting it cleanly. Your technique needs to be worked on to be able to pull something off like that (a chip, a volley etc). It just doesn't happen with a snap of a finger.
 
Rooney is way overrated. Alot of people (mostly english) potray him as the already being player in the country already, probably on par with henry etc. The media hype him up just as much as most people. Thats the problem with english players. They are hyped up much more than they should.

Now before some on here start criticising me of being anti-rooney, let me go on to say I think he's a fantastic player, just not worth all the hype he gets.

Call me bent(whatever makes you happy plech) or whatever, but when both are on top form I'd take ronaldo over rooney because I prefer entertainment rather than directness. I would want to see multiple stepovers, tricks of all sorts, opposition being puzzled or dazed simply because of leg movements, rather than someone who runs straight using his strength.
 
Freak, you're bent.

Goals win football matches, not sulking for free kicks. And if you don't think Rooney scares the shit out of defenders with his movement you need to watch more closely.

Rooney is the closest thing we have to the complete player right now, perhaps the best English player of a generation.
 
Freak said:
Rooney is way overrated. Alot of people (mostly english) potray him as the already being player in the country already, probably on par with henry etc. The media hype him up just as much as most people. Thats the problem with english players. They are hyped up much more than they should.

Now before some on here start criticising me of being anti-rooney, let me go on to say I think he's a fantastic player, just not worth all the hype he gets.

Call me bent(whatever makes you happy plech) or whatever, but when both are on top form I'd take ronaldo over rooney because I prefer entertainment rather than directness. I would want to see multiple stepovers, tricks of all sorts, opposition being puzzled or dazed simply because of leg movements, rather than someone who runs straight using his strength.
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I'm not english, and I'm not influenced by the english press, yet I have no problem seeing how immensely good Rooney is. It's not about being "hyped", he does things that amaze me a lot more than Ronaldo. They have different styles, sure - but Rooney makes my head spin with weird passes, fake moves and sublime skill a lot more than Ronaldo does. While Ronaldo sometimes does ten moves to end in the exactly same situation he began in, Rooney puts defenders on their feet with a simple flick. Which is more entertaining and skilful?

Rooney's pass for Ruud's first goal against Charlton is a great example. That was a wicked pass. Of all the players in the prem, maybe Henry would be able to pull it off - but he would struggle.
 
bergzen said:
I'm not english, and I'm not influenced by the english press, yet I have no problem seeing how immensely good Rooney is. It's not about being "hyped", he does things that amaze me a lot more than Ronaldo. They have different styles, sure - but Rooney makes my head spin with weird passes, fake moves and sublime skill a lot more than Ronaldo does. While Ronaldo sometimes does ten moves to end in the exactly same situation he began in, Rooney puts defenders on their feet with a simple flick. Which is more entertaining and skilful?

Rooney's pass for Ruud's first goal against Charlton is a great example. That was a wicked pass. Of all the players in the prem, maybe Henry would be able to pull it off - but he would struggle.
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"Spot"

and

"On".

Thank you.
 
jasonrh said:
"Spot"

and

"On".

Thank you.
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Well, "puts them on their feet" isn't quite correct, I meant to say something else.. But hey it's 6 am and I need some sleep, you get the point.
 
jasonrh said:
Freak, you're bent.

Goals win football matches, not sulking for free kicks. And if you don't think Rooney scares the shit out of defenders with his movement you need to watch more closely.

Rooney is the closest thing we have to the complete player right now, perhaps the best English player of a generation.
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On his day, ronaldo doesn't sulk for free kicks. He gets on with his game when he's fouled.
 
Freak said:
On his day, ronaldo doesn't sulk for free kicks. He gets on with his game when he's fouled.
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So when will this "his day" come?
 
Freak said:
On his day, ronaldo doesn't sulk for free kicks. He gets on with his game when he's fouled.
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I've seen him get on with his game when fouled about twice for a whole 90 minutes.
 
Freak said:
Thats bullshit. To be able to smash a volley takes practice, as you have to practice on hitting it cleanly. Your technique needs to be worked on to be able to pull something off like that (a chip, a volley etc). It just doesn't happen with a snap of a finger.
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Sure, you're not born able to do it...you're not born speaking either, you have to practise, but still some people have more of an aptitude for it than others. Once taught, they take to it better. Rooney has more talent. Both of them are superb at running at people, Ronaldo somewhat better cos he can pull off more tricks. But the way Rooney strikes the ball, his timing, plus his passing, both long and short, vision, positioning, decision-making, general effectiveness, and looking like a potato, are all just on a different level.

Freak said:
Rooney is way overrated. Alot of people (mostly english) potray him as the already being player in the country already, probably on par with henry etc. The media hype him up just as much as most people. Thats the problem with english players. They are hyped up much more than they should.
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Of course he's overhyped and over-rated. Who isn't? So's Ronaldo, big time.

Call me bent(whatever makes you happy plech)
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OK

or whatever, but when both are on top form I'd take ronaldo over rooney because I prefer entertainment rather than directness. I would want to see multiple stepovers, tricks of all sorts, opposition being puzzled or dazed simply because of leg movements, rather than someone who runs straight using his strength.
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There's more to the game than dribbling. And even at that, Rooney has a lot more than raw power.
 
Plechazunga said:
Of course he's overhyped and over-rated. Who isn't? So's Ronaldo, big time.
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I remember his debut against Bolton. What was it, 20 minutes doing his pony tricks against a tired and shit side, and suddenly he was the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

Compare that debut to Rooney's hattrick.

No contest.

They are both over-hyped, but Ronaldo has been more overhyped than Rooney, because Rooney has more consistently come up with the goods.

Like I said earlier, Rooney is the closest we have to the Complete Player (TM). Ronaldo is a sensational fancy-dan winger.
 
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