Can't believe we won't play him regularly.
Shinji Kagawa
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We haven't. We will. It's just 3 games into the season. Be patient. Like our brother Shinji.
Even if it's on the wing, this guy has to be a first team regular this season. There's so much more to come from him, it'll be criminal if we waste his talent.
Rooney and Welbeck on the wings is not creative enough, you need a Nani in the side as he provides unpredictability. For me Janzuaj, Zaha and Nani... are our players who can do something unpredictable out wide.
Janzuaj, Kagawa, Nani behind RvP is a better shot, plenty of technical ability, flair/vision and interchangeability in terms of positions. Mix that up with Hernandez, Rooney, Welbeck, Zaha and you have some decent options there.
Agreed. But since when has the obvious choice been the one that Moyes has gone with?
Sigh I really hope he gets a chance here. It would be criminal if we don't give him a decent run of games. He's got so much more to offer than Young, Cleverley and even Welbeck..
I want to see Kagawa in the big games.. I feel he adds a level of creativity and composure in the final third that we lack otherwise.
Things are moved about more fluently around the oppositions box, and in the big games we need this.
I'm concerned he won't start against Crystal palace due to playing for Japan, and then you don't want to throw him his first start against City.
Things are moved about more fluently around the oppositions box, and in the big games we need this.
I'm concerned he won't start against Crystal palace due to playing for Japan, and then you don't want to throw him his first start against City.
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Fellaini Carrick
Janzuaj Kagawa Nani
RvP
Might take a while to get there but I reckon results will soon dictate Moyes' lineup and he'll be forced to get move some blatant non-performers out of the side, my only worry is we will be struggling in the title race before we finally have the balls to banish certain players to the subs bench.
I think Moyes is very much in an assessment phase with the squad. He said himself it'll take two years to implement his style. I think much of this season he;ll be working out who is in his plans and who isn't, and where the players best fit in his system. Kagawa will get his go and if he stays injury free I see no reason why he can't be a regular for us and replicate the form he showed us at Dortmund. I wouldn't be surprised if we ended up playing in a three behind RVP of him, Rooney and Nani all interchanging positions.
With Rooney's absence to add to the equation it might also depend on the quality of opposition and intensity in these internationals.
Guatemala and Ghana this time around i believe.
I can't believe that he wont' at least be on the bench against Palace or City, other players have surely given Moyes enough cause to leave them out of the squad as of late.
Kagawa, Rooney and RVP or Rooney, RVP and Nani both have a chance to be like the Rooney, Tevez Ronaldo days.
Well hopefully the point of Fellaini is that him and Carrick will sit in front of the back 4 and we can do away with this defensive winger stuff and play Nani and Kagawa on the right and left.
I hope Kagawa's matches for Japan are seen as something that improves his fitness and sharpness rather than a toll that leaves him out of the next league match.
Well whilst I think a manager will obviously have huge freedom to pick the team he wants, and rightfully so, I think fans are able to exert some pressure in that if they're playing a way that doesn't fit our traditions than they will get uneasy about it which can filter through.
Kagawa playing from the left isn't an issue if you adapt the system. Look at how we played against Liverpool with Giggs and Young on the right and left wing, neither are suited to that wing in terms of going down the line, Giggs particularly had a lot of freedom to tuck inside and even when he's played on the left we've seen that from him.
Klopp has played Kagawa from a wider role a few times from what I've heard from people who've watched Dortmund, but even if that's not true as I said a player like Kagawa playing slightly wider isn't an issue if you allow them to tuck in and you have the right players around them. Loads of players do it, if Kagawa can't play well there then I would argue thats a fault on his part. Januzaj came in, in preseason and played 4 different roles, left, right, off the striker and up front and showed no dip in his ability to influence the game, opposition is different level but the principle is the same.
Now if we played him left and asked him to go down the line that would be stupid by us because that's not his game. But letting him start wide and tuck in and influence is nothing too onerous on him or something that should be beyond him.
As I mentioned there are other things we can do to help get the best out of him. Personally I think we need more people running in different angles and so a reason for me why Nani needs to play with him. To be honest if he is tucking in it might open up space for Rooney to make a run from the left etc.
Of course he would be best in the middle, I'm sure silva/mata/nasri/iniesta etc would all love to play straight off the striker but that doesn't stop them being able to influence. As I said Kagawa playing left and being asked to go down the line would be stupid, and you won't get the best out of him if you only have RVP making penetrating runs, but Kagawa tucking in from the left and having people making good varied runs should be more than enough to let him excel.
If he doesnt work out this season for some reason or if Moyes doesnt trust him enough, then he should be used in a swap deal with Dortmund for Gundogan. £30-35m plus Kagawa for Gundogan.
Yea then when Gundogan comes he'll suffer the same fate as Kagawa? I think the top players in the world are a bit wary of joining United now...
Why would someone want to come over (unless for more $$) if someone like Kagawa cant be integrated into Moyes' United?
Moyes will love him when he's finally up and running. He's far behind everybody else in terms of fitness and his frequent international games are not helping in him getting match fit for us.
I don't really believe that tbf, he's an international athlete, and it's not like he's had a year long injury previously.
He plays with japan NT, and he's not in any long term injury, he should at least make the bench if it is fitness he's worrying about.
My thoughts is that Moyes takes a very cautious approach at Anfield and aim for a draw, hence he didn't even take Kagawa
Eh? Kagawa at least has competition. Gundogan will be a starter for sure. He is miles ahead of who we have at the moment.
Damn i so wish he becomes first choice this season. We don't have many players with his technical ability. Out wide, or in the middle, just want him to get a nice long run. But I fear moyes will want to give young and Valencia games and he might suffer due to that.
The way I see it, kagawa, Rvp and nani are the players that bring the sexy into our football so I want to see as much of them, possibly together, as possible.
The way I see it, kagawa, Rvp and nani are the players that bring the sexy into our football so I want to see as much of them, possibly together, as possible.
Fail to see why it wouldn't work. If anything I'd say the alternative you posted is less likely to work given the lack of a real winger.
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With Kagawa and Rooney interchanging has real potential IMO. Especially now Fellaini will be able to provide an effective screen along with Carrick.
That line up you posted is exactly what I'd like to see.
I do hope that moyes too feels the technical ability of kagawa and nani gives them the edge over Valencia and young. But then again, his Everton side were all about endeavour most of the time.
It's so obvious I'm almost thinking there must be a huge glaring error that makes it non-workable hence why we've not seen it. Here's hoping the only reason is simply because that 4 has seldom been fit at the same time.
In terms of the endeavour, I agree. You'd hope that's simply cutting his cloth accordingly though and he'd have the ability to move away from that with better players.
Well they'll all be fit for crystal palace so we will see. Moyes has struck me as a safe manager so far which I could see leading to him leaning towards other options. But it's so early still.
Nani playing is important, he's the one winger who can bring some quality wing play and still cut inside when needed. Valencia always stretches things can get predictable, Young the same but with the cutting inside. Nani on a good form is the best mixture of the two.
So far I agree. But then maybe the huge games so early have dictated that.
I'd be surprised to see Kagawa play against Palace due to his international duties but by the same token it would be an ideal game for him.
I think he needs to play. Games are what he needs at this point and a home game vs crystal palace is the perfect opportunity to allow him to work his way back into the fold.
Kagawa won't start more than 15 league games this season even if he's fit for all of them.
In theory Kagawa and Nani out wide sounds great but for me we can only really have one of the
Playing in one of those slots due to the utter lack of width and cover for the fullbacks. Nani is alright at defending but he plays best when cutting inside. One of them plus Valencia seems the safest option for most games. Which is a problem for both Nani and Kagawa.
Playing in one of those slots due to the utter lack of width and cover for the fullbacks. Nani is alright at defending but he plays best when cutting inside. One of them plus Valencia seems the safest option for most games. Which is a problem for both Nani and Kagawa.
I've said it for a long time as well - Nani/Zaha should be the first player on the team-sheet. Not because they are the best but because our lack of players who can penetrate a defense is disturbing. We look like a mid-table team in that regards when we field Young and Valencia.
Agreed. I don't believe we persist in playing Young and Valencia. Particularly the former.
That's a bold prediction.
Kagawa started 17 games last season, despite being injured for almost 1/3 of the games. That means that he started somewhere around 70% of the time when he was fit. That's not too shabby for being his first season for the best team in the PL.
It's not a problem. Were overly obsessed with our attackers being "limited" so that they can cover our defenders asses. Look at barca when they were at their best. They defended as a unit. Messi isn't great defensively. Neither is Pedro. But they do a good job for the team. You don't need Ashely young or Valencia in your team to defend properly as a unit.
And nani provides plenty of width. The idea that we need a winger who simple refuses to hug the byline to provide us width is wrong.
I wish we could focus on our attacking strengths and play to them rather than stick on two wingers, based on their ability to defend...
I'm so tired of hearing we're playing Young and Valencia because they can defend better than Nani or Kagawa. If we're so worried about defending then we might as well stick on two additional sweepers to play behind rio and vidic for christ sake.
I'm so tired of hearing we're playing Young and Valencia because they can defend better than Nani or Kagawa. If we're so worried about defending then we might as well stick on two additional sweepers to play behind rio and vidic for christ sake.
That was under Ferguson who clearly rated him, at this point Giggs plays ahead of him and he doesn't get a cameo in a game that's calling for him (Chelsea) and isn't even on the bench the following week.
Amen. The problem was we didn't have the midfield which was capable of protecting the back four effectively. With the addition of Fellaini we have that. I hope we'll get to see more of Shinji from now on.
Zaha isn't close to being ready for regular first team action yet.
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