Give him until the end of the season. Let him resign on his own. He deserves that at the very least.
Should Wenger be sacked?
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No he doesn't. That may have worked 5 years ago. Not today. He deserves to get sacked in the most humiliating way possible. Abramovich style.
His legacy is shattered. He lost the last drop of respect he had.
Even after such a drastic humiliation and potentially losing grip on the top four? Don't know..
Could be the necessary steps to reloading the team with a new manager and about 5-6 quality players.
I think they'd probably stay for a new manager.
Last time they lost 5-1 (you know, other than two weeks ago) this has happened to Arsene.
I remember when United got drawn against Bayern in 2014 there was plenty of gallows humour about trying to keep it in single figures. It finished 4-2 and United were still in the tie with 20 minutes to go. That was under a manager widely regarded as a joke figure hopelessly out of his depth. Arsenal were out of this tie 60 minutes into the first leg and have been thumped 10-2. There is no way Arsenal can retain credibility as a football club if they keep Wenger as manager beyond May.
Yeah. We weren't in the tie once it was 4-2.
This.
It became 4-2 in the last 15-20 mins right? It was 2-1 for us at some stage in the second half.
Really cannot understand your love for Wenger. I mean, we all love that Arsenal keeps Wenger, but to think that Wenger is anything but a completely out of his depth manager (and has been so for at least the last 5 years) is a bit weird.
I don't understand your point?
They made it 4-2 at minute 76 so we only needed one goal to go through before that
He's faced intense media/fan pressure before, but this season it feels like the cumulative effect of the previous is causing it to boil over the edge. They could very well not finish in the top four, which would be a pretty fitting and sadly ironic end to his tenure.
Whatever the case I hope it happens. Losing Sanchez and Wenger would be a huge blow, especially coupled with a non top four league finish.
Whatever the case I hope it happens. Losing Sanchez and Wenger would be a huge blow, especially coupled with a non top four league finish.
How did you deduce that from the post you quoted? I don't recall the Caf thinking we could come back after evra's goal got cancelled by Bayern's equalizer. I only recall moans and curses aimed towards Moyes.
Regarding Wenger, I don't think he is some evil villian holding the club back from some glorious future. Hilarious results aside, they finish where they are supposed to finish, if you correlate league finish with spending. He'll probably be let go with a golden parachute, and Arsenal will magically start challenging for titles. Or they'll sink so low that the board is forced to inject money into the club which will make things alright because we've shown it's a smooth process right?
Meh. This post is too serious for the banter potential.
Would it not be beneficial for Arsenal to part way well before the summer, announce his successor and hope Sanchez and Özil are on board with the new manager? Say it's Allegri and they decide "hey, I can win things with this guy at Arsenal so I'll stay."
If their season unravels further and other big clubs are able to get in their ears it may be too late.
If their season unravels further and other big clubs are able to get in their ears it may be too late.
Anyone who watched that tie didn't give us a chance going into the Allianz. Are we just, like, rewriting history here? Evra's goal was so wonderful because it was spontaneous and against the run of play. But let's not pretend like we had a chance, or that Bayern couldn't throttle us that night if they wanted to.
just to be clear, the only reason anyone has said wenger shouldn't be sacked is because we're united fans and seeing other rivals struggle is funny... right? i mean, nobody actually thinks that it's in arsenal's best interest to keep him... right?
Time to make the title a bit more appropriate
Same as rivals thinking we keep Moyes I suppose.
I honestly think he should just take over a NT. Think he'd still be good there
You are missing the point - even under a manager who is about to head into the Championship, the tie was level with 30 minutes to go. Arsenal have a manager who has been in situ for 20 years and has unrivalled control over football matters. And, yet again, they have been humiliated without even creating the illusion of a contest.
Only a manager that isn't tied by a contract could be announced or someone who will be free this summer like Luis Enrique.
He should walk at the end of the season, maybe even win the FA cup with their current route to the final.
He has been mediocre for far too long now. After they signed Cech and Sanchez all of a sudden you thought 'they could really win the the title now with a leader in the team'. If he just bought a top CB and striker they would of been challenging. But no the spending stopped when he bought Cech. Mustafi and Xhaka were never going to be the top class players they required. This is their only two signings in 2 years that are first 11 players. This is a club who make millions in profits and have the most expensive season tickets on the planet.
He got his tactics spot on against City last year. Since then he hasn't used defensive tactics and they haven't won an away game agains the big teams. You have to accept you can't play 'football' if the opposition is better than you. As proved tonight in an embarrassing fashion. After the red card, accept the tie is gone. Surely you bring on a couple of defenders. No not Wenger, Ozil comes up and the 5-1 is created off the back of it. Madness.
The foot cannot just go to Wenger. Once he goes it will be interesting to see if the spending starts. Personally I think it won't, I can't see how Wenger would not choose to spend the maximum budget available. But then I thought that about the Glazers and Fergie.
He has been mediocre for far too long now. After they signed Cech and Sanchez all of a sudden you thought 'they could really win the the title now with a leader in the team'. If he just bought a top CB and striker they would of been challenging. But no the spending stopped when he bought Cech. Mustafi and Xhaka were never going to be the top class players they required. This is their only two signings in 2 years that are first 11 players. This is a club who make millions in profits and have the most expensive season tickets on the planet.
He got his tactics spot on against City last year. Since then he hasn't used defensive tactics and they haven't won an away game agains the big teams. You have to accept you can't play 'football' if the opposition is better than you. As proved tonight in an embarrassing fashion. After the red card, accept the tie is gone. Surely you bring on a couple of defenders. No not Wenger, Ozil comes up and the 5-1 is created off the back of it. Madness.
The foot cannot just go to Wenger. Once he goes it will be interesting to see if the spending starts. Personally I think it won't, I can't see how Wenger would not choose to spend the maximum budget available. But then I thought that about the Glazers and Fergie.
Why would you think that Allegri would be interested in the Arsenal job right now? He's managing one of the biggest teams in the world and has potentially a Champions League winning side this year. Do you really think he'd leave right now to join a mess of a football club
He hasn't been sacked after the 8-2 defeat where he was literally crying on the bench. Today is worse, but similar.
That's just the name I keep hearing. I wouldn't if I were him either but walking the Italian league may bore him after a while, no?
I think there's been quite a few stories about him being interested in the Arsenal job. Plus he would be doubling his salary going there
New challenge, a very difficult one.
Would Wenger deserve more credit if Arsenal won 3-0 and narrowly missed out on aggregate as usual? Otherwise I don't see your point. Scoreline is cool for banter purposes, but they cant make it past the last 16. That's the problem, not reducing matters to a valiant low score loss...
BrilliantThread title
I never understood the Wenger is great rhetoric, he was a good manager yes, but never in the SAF class that everybody seems so keen to place him. but his greatest successes where built on the foundations of George Grahams defence. Once the last of those players retired they've won 2 FA Cups. He should have won the league last season. But he didn't so that says it all to me.
I never understood the Wenger is great rhetoric, he was a good manager yes, but never in the SAF class that everybody seems so keen to place him. but his greatest successes where built on the foundations of George Grahams defence. Once the last of those players retired they've won 2 FA Cups. He should have won the league last season. But he didn't so that says it all to me.
Jolly well done on the thread title.
As pathetic as this trashing, yet again, has been he won't be sacked until the end of the season. There won't be much difference either way so they should be just trying to find a good replacement in the meantime. This guy from Leverkusen has been sacked, Luis Enrique is leaving Barcelona and Simeone might want to leave Atlético soon; so the board should be already on the look for a new manager and let the old man finish the season.
It's time now he needs to go. He should walk in the summer.
There is a pattern not just of losing but of being thrashed (in big domestic games as well) which marks them out. It implies something seriously rotten at Arsenal, even if you accept that you would expect a team like Bayern to prevail over two legs.
Played good enough in the first half then the red card changed everything. So Wenger's plan was actually working, still it shouldn't have been such a huge goal feast.
It can't possibly get worse. Sack him and give it Gibbsy till the end of the season.
I feel a bit sorry for him and have grown to like him over the years. That in itself is a pretty bad sign for arsenal as they should've been our challengers
It implies that Arsenal aren't good defensively compared to other top teams at that level. It's something that can be read into further, probably, but I don't know enough about to comment with any sort of reliability. A loss is a loss in my world.