Like how the GOP passed the tax bill after bipartisan debate and compromise?
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Like how the GOP passed the tax bill after bipartisan debate and compromise?
They aren't, and it's not going to be because people got angry during a meeting. It's going to be because the GOP have no desire to allow anything resembling "common sense gun laws" to pass. As always.
Tbf this is not a huge donor issue, it is a huge base issue though (more like abortion than healthcare). I wonder where their red lines are.
yeah lets give more power to the police. feck off
This list of measures.....FFS who wants to live in a country like that? Land of the free, home of the brave? Bullshit.
This town hall is a mess.
This town hall is a mess.
This is a much bigger and important issue than the tax bill. Dems will need the votes of Republicans to get legislation passed.
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This NRA chick is hot
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Why do you think they hired her. The alternative was to have some obese, middle aged white guy with four chins go out there.
Thats the first thing that came to mind actually. Same reason FOX news has so many blondes.
She wiped the floor with them. Kind of depressing really.
She always does well in TV appearances. Its why they hired her.
What @SteveJ posted... 
heartless self centered bastards
heartless self centered bastardsWhat a weird country. People being killed by the thousands and laws don't change to prevent that.
It's idiotic to argue about what a militia is or about muskets. They've been counter-arguing that stuff for years and know how to win. The starting point should be that the 2nd Amendment needs to be further amended because it is an anachronism.
I think the cop firmly put her in her place
Rubio looked pretty bad here.
She really didn't. She kind of admitted her organization's lobbying is wrong indirectly. And the Sheriff demolished her by calling her out on her trying to weasel out of it.
The NRA lobbying isn't wrong. They have the right to petition the government just like everybody else does. What's wrong is that Rubio and co !listen to them over their constituency
My point was Dana Loesch continually said this 18 year old shouldn't have been able to get a gun. Yet the NRA has lobbied hard against the types of measures that could have prevented him from getting a gun. For instance they supported Trump reversing Obama's tightening on the mental health restrictions. Also some of her comments basically endorsed closing loopholes like preventing domestic abusers (she kept saying "if someone is not a threat to themselves and others". Basically her stated positions were more mild and disagreed with the NRA's actual lobbying efforts.
Look at what they do, not what they say. Applies to everything in American politics.
Not sure how that relates. You said she "wiped the floor with them". Not sure how that happened when her comments didn't even reflect the actual NRA positions. She was basically a coward and didn't even defend NRA lobbying positions. That is not "wiping the floor" with anything but their own crap
She wasn't asked a single difficult question. She answered the more direct questions with ease and made the questioners appear unprepared and amateur. The town hall was just a mess of emotion and will Be forgotten in a week.
Unfortunately you are spot on. Much of the main news media is already drifting away from the subject. CNN have been focused on this subject for a week but they are moving back to the Russia investigation and the daily commentary on Trump.
Like it or not the NRA playbook and GOP have managed to shift the narrative to mental health and not a single significant thing will be done about gun control.
Uh they are "amateurs". They are students, teachers and parents that just experienced a fecking tragedy. Not sure what you were expecting. Obama level debating? The Sheriff certainly sounded more informed and better prepared than she did.
While I would agree she wasn't asked the most difficult questions, the fact she couldn't even use actual NRA positions to swipe aside the questions shows she didn't wipe the floor with anything but misinformation.
I tend to agree it will be forgotten in a week but that would be the case no matter how well Dana performed or not.
The sheriff was as amateur as the kids. The point is that kids won't achieve anything here as the coverage will shift. Does anybody hear anything from Sandy Hook folks anymore?
That would have happened no matter what the kids sounded like. And if your point is "people with the occupations of student, teacher, sheriff sound little less polished on TV than someone whose occupation is PR Spokeswoman" then that is not really a surprise. For what its worth, the kids did far better than I expected them to and Dana was far less compelling than I expected her to be.
Fact is they forced a meeting and are forcing the conversation more than has ever happened after a shooting. That is something at least not nothing. It could be the start of something bigger. Marco Rubio certainly got made to look like an amateur.
I doubt this will be forgotten soon since there is a massive march planned in DC in a week or two. That will springboard into a lot of other converging sentiment about Trump and the MeToo movement going into the November election cycle. The GOP are already in bad shape on the generic ballot to where they will likely lose the house and barely retain the Senate, so they are going to be walking a tightrope for the rest of this year.
My point is that politics here is tough and uncompromising and a bunch of emotional kids and teachers will achieve nothing against powerful, professional lobbying groups with senators and congressmen in their pockets. That's simply the reality. It may be cynical but it's true. What's sad is that these kids think they can make a difference. Politicians won't do shit for them because they are irrelevant to the day to day business of Washington which is focused on money and influence. Something these kids don't have.
The only thing that can save this country is a total political revolution and that ain't happening.
The only thing that can save this country is a total political revolution and that ain't happening.
That's not sad in any way. It gives me a little hope for the next generation.
What would really be sad is if it got to the point that young, idealistic kids thought they could never make a difference. Now that, dear gooner, would truly be sad.
One thing that annoys me is the scapegoating that points all the fingers at mentally ill people. When you say we need to stop making guns so easily accessible the generic GOP cowboy replies “no we need to stop the mentally ill people”.
It’s almost turned into a meme at this stage. For every sensible point made about not making guns so accessible some awful point is made about mentally ill people. As if every person with some kind of psychiatric illness wants to go and shoot up a school FFS.
People suffering with mental illness are being unfairly made into a target. It’s nothing new though, it used to be violent video games before, now it’s mental illness. It’s always anything but the ease with which you can get guns. Sigh.
It’s almost turned into a meme at this stage. For every sensible point made about not making guns so accessible some awful point is made about mentally ill people. As if every person with some kind of psychiatric illness wants to go and shoot up a school FFS.
People suffering with mental illness are being unfairly made into a target. It’s nothing new though, it used to be violent video games before, now it’s mental illness. It’s always anything but the ease with which you can get guns. Sigh.
I'd only say that the affected community of Sandy Hook is very active on gun control Grinner. I lived in Norwalk, CT which is about 50 miles from Sandy Hook and my entire church was actively involved in receiving parents from Sandy Hook tragedy and were generally involved with their activism. They may not be heard but they are definitely making a difference.
Kids are always idealists. The sooner these FL kids learn that shouty town halls and sad songs don't change the world, the better. They need to get tough and dirty and feck shit up. I don't think they have the stomach for it though. Look back at what civil rights and Vietnam protestors went through. They got the shit kicked out of them, got shot, murdered even and struggled mightily to achieve significant change. They learned quickly that songs and goodwill got them nowhere.
I bet few of these kids even carry out that threat to boycott school.
These kids are definitely a hell of a lot better spoken than the dopey classmates I had in the 80s (and I went to HS just a few miles down the road from where the shooting took place). They are also operating on a set of converging political narratives that spell trouble for the GOP this coming November, which leads me to believe there may be more to this than the usual post shooting anger. This feels like there is a bit of political wind that can carry this further.
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We have seen so many movements come and go. They get their five minuets in the sun but news is all about now and the media move onto the next big thing. A few thousand anti-Trump MeToo marchers are about as relevant as Trump supporters at a rally when it comes to moving the needle.
I doubt this is a few thousand marchers - its more like a movement that will rival the Tea Party in terms of its seismic effect on which party will control the Congress going forward. Even Steve Bannon correctly understands that MeToo is the biggest threat to Trump and the GOP will have in the coming cycles.
Its on the radar but history suggests it will fizzle out. Occupy was significantly bigger and more high profile and ultimately it had little impact. The annual Earth march gets massive numbers of attendees but it is a one day event then its forgotten.
MeToo is a threat to Trump because he is a dirty rotten scoundrel and is vulnerable to their messages. I just can't see that movement staying relevant very long. It needs fuel and they are running out of celebrities to step forward.
The movement itself doesn't have to stay for long. The Tea Party movement has come and gone and left us with the foundation for a Republican takeover of Congress and ultimately the Trump presidency. The power structure of America is now once again beginning to swing back to the other side with a convergence of Trump's calamitous tenure, the continued failure of government to address the basic needs of its citizens in terms of health care, education, and the cost of living, as well as various social movements like MeToo, rational gun laws, and the general realization that groups other than white males want their piece of the American pie. Republicans are going to ultimately deal with all of these issues or else get booted out of office by the Tsunami that is building up now and scheduled to hit the shores in November.
I think you're underestimating the potential impact and lasting power of it. For one, it hasn't simply been a few thousand, it's been tens of thousands (if not more) and it's been the same story across the country even beyond where you'd expect.
The number of women getting ready to run and to help in the coming election is only growing
https://www.npr.org/2018/02/20/5855...running-for-congress-in-2018-compared-to-2016
If there's success with that, the impact will certainly last longer and be felt more keenly in the political world. I'm not saying it will definitely continue on this trajectory, but it's certainly looking in good shape.
I remember telling a depressed colleague at the time Trump was elected that progress isn't linear. Sometimes the path gets harder or you take steps back. Our best hope would be that people who were the most angered, saddened, and shocked by it channeled that emotion into righting things as they saw fit. I personally feel that's what we're seeing now.
The number of women getting ready to run and to help in the coming election is only growing
https://www.npr.org/2018/02/20/5855...running-for-congress-in-2018-compared-to-2016
If there's success with that, the impact will certainly last longer and be felt more keenly in the political world. I'm not saying it will definitely continue on this trajectory, but it's certainly looking in good shape.
I remember telling a depressed colleague at the time Trump was elected that progress isn't linear. Sometimes the path gets harder or you take steps back. Our best hope would be that people who were the most angered, saddened, and shocked by it channeled that emotion into righting things as they saw fit. I personally feel that's what we're seeing now.
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