Honest John
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He forgot to mention the Palestinians
You cited polling data as proof Corbyn doesn't have a credible plan on Brexit. Therefore the party in the lead does, by your own logic.I don't get your logic, Labour aren't backing a second referendum, so the only reason to vote for them would be if they're offering a better and more trustworthy vision of the country than this joke of a Tory party. Considering just two weeks ago Labour were 7 points behind in the polls, it seems pretty clear they're not doing that.
There isn't one. Never has been. Jeremy Corbyn could write a plan down on a piece of paper, hand it to Theresa May and he'd still vote against it if she put it to the house.What is Labour's unifying and credible alternative plan to what the Conservatives are offering?
A poll a few days go had them level with the tories on 37.I don't get your logic, Labour aren't backing a second referendum, so the only reason to vote for them would be if they're offering a better and more trustworthy vision of the country than this joke of a Tory party. Considering just two weeks ago Labour were 7 points behind in the polls, it seems pretty clear they're not doing that.
We know Corbyn and McDonnell don't want one. At the Labour conference it was only after days of demonstrations for a second referendum they grudgingly included 'we won't rule one out' in order to get the final composite through.So, by this logic, the country believes the Tories are actually doing a great job with Brexit and nobody wants a second referendum?
A poll a few days go had them level with the tories on 37.
For the millionth time NOTHING HAS CHANGED SINCE THE ELECTION.
So when the PV campaigners pulled their vote the other week, because it doesn't have the numbers, that was them demonstrating they don't want one either?We know Corbyn and McDonnell don't want one. At the Labour conference it was only after days of demonstrations for a second referendum they grudgingly included 'we won't rule one out' in order to get the final composite through.
A poll a few days go had them level with the tories on 37.
For the millionth time NOTHING HAS CHANGED SINCE THE ELECTION.
Yep me too. I think, in truth, that that is where most of this country is. It is only issues like Brexit that make it seem like everyone is at the extremes.Im happy to see politicians moving towards the centre ground, but this just seems like too few to make any difference.
You cited polling data as proof Corbyn doesn't have a credible plan on Brexit. Therefore the party in the lead does, by your own logic.
Either? So you agree, Corbyn and McDonnell do not want a Peoples Vote?So when the PV campaigners pulled their vote the other week, because it doesn't have the numbers, that was them demonstrating they don't want one either?
You could argue that they tried to change Labour from within first.What utter shites. They should have done this ages ago when they lost the second leadership election of Corbyn. At least by now we'd have an alternative political party setup. Right now when the country needs the Tories to fall, these guys have decided to tear strips off labour.
Better late than never? I'm not sure.
So this vast number of voters are so key that Corbyn should adopt People's Vote, but care so little about Brexit as an issue that they refuse to back the Lib Dems?Nope. People vote on many issues, Brexit is just one area where Labour have an opening to appeal to a vast number of voters who currently have no representation. Corbyn's current Brexit position doesn't appeal to either Leave OR Remain voters, largely because its a load of completely bollocks.
Your logic is that not pushing for a People's Vote beyond grudgingly saying a few words, means they don't want one. These campaigners tell everyone how they want one, but bottle putting forward something that could actually get one. So, they don't actually want it either, surely?Either? So you agree, Corbyn and McDonnell do not want a Peoples Vote?
The political machinery won't allow it now. They would have been deselected in time. It's a commie thing.You could argue that they tried to change Labour from within first.
On Feb 11th, YouGov released a poll with over 40,000 recipients, which had the following results:
CON 39%, LAB 34%, LDEM 11%, UKIP 5%
They predicted seats in a theoretical election as:
Conservatives 321
Labour 250
Liberal Democrats 16
SNP 39
That would be a 4 seat gain for the Tories over 2017. So you're right basically, there would be very little chance since the election. A government who suffered the largest defeat in modern parliamentary history, who are careering towards crashing out of Europe with no safety mechanism, who are undergoing their own civil war and who have spent 8 years implementing deeply unpopular and divisive policies, are still more popular than Jeremy Corbyn's Labour.
Erm, go Jeremy?
So this vast number of voters are so key that Corbyn should adopt People's Vote, but care so little about Brexit as an issue that they refuse to back the Lib Dems?
Overall both parties have around 40% of the vote. You can right fully moan about labour not be x points if you want but using
Will be interesting to see poling based on both the brexit party and this independent group putting up candidates on a national basisOn Feb 11th, YouGov released a poll with over 40,000 recipients, which had the following results:
CON 39%, LAB 34%, LDEM 11%, UKIP 5%
They predicted seats in a theoretical election as:
Conservatives 321
Labour 250
Liberal Democrats 16
SNP 39
That would be a 4 seat gain for the Tories over 2017. So you're right basically, there would be very little chance since the election. A government who suffered the largest defeat in modern parliamentary history, who are careering towards crashing out of Europe with no safety mechanism, who are undergoing their own civil war and who have spent 8 years implementing deeply unpopular and divisive policies, are still more popular than Jeremy Corbyn's Labour.
Erm, go Jeremy?
Overall both parties have around 40% of the vote. You can right fully moan about labour not be x points if you want but using
Who needs polling? They can demonstrate it by winning the byelections they'll be running.Will be interesting to see poling based on both the brexit party and this independent group putting up candidates on a national basis
I think you hit Enter too quickly.
Will be interesting to see poling based on both the brexit party and this independent group putting up candidates on a national basis
Two-fifths (40%) think a new political party would be the best way for people like them to be represented, while 59% would consider voting for a new centre-ground party.
Almost half (41%) think that both Labour and the Conservatives have become extreme, with 39% of Tory voters and 37% of Labour voters agreeing with this. A similar number (42%) think neither party stands for anything.
Why... Surely super jez is going to force the general election he has been banging on aboutWho needs polling? They can demonstrate it by winning the byelections they'll be running.
If they had any decency, they would resign as MPs and force by-elections.
Why wait for that? Surely they'll want to demonstrate to any other MPs thinking of leaving their party to join them, that they can do so without having to worry about losing their seat ASAP?Why... Surely super jez is going to force the general election he has been banging on about
What is Labour's unifying and credible alternative plan to what the Conservatives are offering?
I agree and at the same time, perhaps labour could rescind their policy on 'all women' lists and offer up candidates on merit rather than their gender
Not quite sure that I see the connection but okaaaayyy.
Nope. People vote on many issues, Brexit is just one area where Labour have an opening to appeal to a vast number of voters who currently have no representation. Corbyn's current Brexit position doesn't appeal to either Leave OR Remain voters, largely because its a load of completely bollocks.
Wait... But jez says he will force a general election to prevent a Tory brexit on march 29th... So surely that's the quickest way...Why... Surely super jez is going to force the general election he has been banging on about