He forgot to mention the Palestinians
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
He forgot to mention the Palestinians
What is Labour's unifying and credible alternative plan to what the Conservatives are offering?
You cited polling data as proof Corbyn doesn't have a credible plan on Brexit. Therefore the party in the lead does, by your own logic.
There isn't one. Never has been. Jeremy Corbyn could write a plan down on a piece of paper, hand it to Theresa May and he'd still vote against it if she put it to the house.
A poll a few days go had them level with the tories on 37.
For the millionth time NOTHING HAS CHANGED SINCE THE ELECTION.
We know Corbyn and McDonnell don't want one. At the Labour conference it was only after days of demonstrations for a second referendum they grudgingly included 'we won't rule one out' in order to get the final composite through.
The point is that by now (mid-term) it should have done. In truth the Labour party can bask in the glory of being even worse than the worst Tory government in history.
Couldn't kill a dead ant.
Im happy to see politicians moving towards the centre ground, but this just seems like too few to make any difference.
So when the PV campaigners pulled their vote the other week, because it doesn't have the numbers, that was them demonstrating they don't want one either?
On Feb 11th, YouGov released a poll with over 40,000 recipients, which had the following results:
CON 39%, LAB 34%, LDEM 11%, UKIP 5%
They predicted seats in a theoretical election as:
Conservatives 321
Labour 250
Liberal Democrats 16
SNP 39
That would be a 4 seat gain for the Tories over 2017. So you're right basically, there would be very little chance since the election. A government who suffered the largest defeat in modern parliamentary history, who are careering towards crashing out of Europe with no safety mechanism, who are undergoing their own civil war and who have spent 8 years implementing deeply unpopular and divisive policies, are still more popular than Jeremy Corbyn's Labour.
Erm, go Jeremy?
What utter shites. They should have done this ages ago when they lost the second leadership election of Corbyn. At least by now we'd have an alternative political party setup. Right now when the country needs the Tories to fall, these guys have decided to tear strips off labour.
Better late than never? I'm not sure.
Better late than never? I'm not sure.
Yep me too. I think, in truth, that that is where most of this country is. It is only issues like Brexit that make it seem like everyone is at the extremes.
Nope. People vote on many issues, Brexit is just one area where Labour have an opening to appeal to a vast number of voters who currently have no representation. Corbyn's current Brexit position doesn't appeal to either Leave OR Remain voters, largely because its a load of completely bollocks.
Either? So you agree, Corbyn and McDonnell do not want a Peoples Vote?
The ongoing and everlasting fracturing of the left.
Even within the division of the Tory party they know what’s good for them
Even within the division of the Tory party they know what’s good for them
Excellent news. I had been a member of the Labour party; no longer and always voted for and supported Labour.
No longer. The party I have supported has changed out of all recognition and for the worse.
Like these 7 MPS Labour it is not a party I can believe in or vote for.
Unfortunately I don't think anything will change for Labour and I hope that they will all go down the drain into the sewers where they belong.
No longer. The party I have supported has changed out of all recognition and for the worse.
Like these 7 MPS Labour it is not a party I can believe in or vote for.
Unfortunately I don't think anything will change for Labour and I hope that they will all go down the drain into the sewers where they belong.
I think this is all about another attempt to force Jeremy out. They will not force a by election and will not join the Lib Dems
You could argue that they tried to change Labour from within first.
So this vast number of voters are so key that Corbyn should adopt People's Vote, but care so little about Brexit as an issue that they refuse to back the Lib Dems?
Your logic is that not pushing for a People's Vote beyond grudgingly saying a few words, means they don't want one. These campaigners tell everyone how they want one, but bottle putting forward something that could actually get one. So, they don't actually want it either, surely?
The political machinery won't allow it now. They would have been deselected in time. It's a commie thing.
Overall both parties have around 40% of the vote. You can right fully moan about labour not be x points if you want but using
The irony of this group using the hashtag changepolitics when they're just a continuing the exact same policies / politics the UK has had since 1992.
Not sure this really changes anything for the moment. They're pro EU and going to vote with Labour on nearly everything anyway, most importantly in the inevitable votes of confidence in the government that will occur in the next 6 weeks.
If there is then an election later in the year could be quite interesting though.
Not sure this really changes anything for the moment. They're pro EU and going to vote with Labour on nearly everything anyway, most importantly in the inevitable votes of confidence in the government that will occur in the next 6 weeks.
If there is then an election later in the year could be quite interesting though.
It's just a guess on my part, but I think you'd have seen a lot more Lib Dem MP's last time if Corbyn had been honest for a change and actually said he wouldn't support a second referendum no matter what.
The Lib Dems and UKIP need to come out against Brexit.
Will be interesting to see poling based on both the brexit party and this independent group putting up candidates on a national basis
I think you hit Enter too quickly.
Who needs polling? They can demonstrate it by winning the byelections they'll be running.
I mean, they wouldn't turn down a chance to prove their resignations were right by winning their seat without the Labour banner and prove to any other MPs thinking of leaving either Labour or the Tories that they can do so without fear of losing their seat, would they?
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Oh! My bad I'm using a old ipad at the moment. It keeps reloading the page and deleting half the shite I'm writing(Not always a bad thing in fairness).
The Opinium poll over the weekend pre-empted the announcement a bit:
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ulls-level-with-tories-in-latest-opinion-poll
Although it's worth putting them into the context of:
Which hardly inspire confidence in the electorate.
1981 revisited. Said before Corbyn reminds me of an inferior version of Foot.
Why... Surely super jez is going to force the general election he has been banging on about
I agree and at the same time, perhaps labour could rescind their policy on 'all women' lists and offer up candidates on merit rather than their gender
Why wait for that? Surely they'll want to demonstrate to any other MPs thinking of leaving their party to join them, that they can do so without having to worry about losing their seat ASAP?
Score cheap political points?
Not quite sure that I see the connection but okaaaayyy.
Not sure about the branding of the new party
Politically it's very similar to UKIP and independent Mps, while it also sounds like a company who could own the Independent paper
Potential for conflation. I wonder if that was their intent?
Politically it's very similar to UKIP and independent Mps, while it also sounds like a company who could own the Independent paper
Potential for conflation. I wonder if that was their intent?
I was just following the topic of 'doing the right thing' when it comes to constituency elections.
Its the one area you are concerned with and you see all British politics through that prism.
Wait... But jez says he will force a general election to prevent a Tory brexit on march 29th... So surely that's the quickest way...
Stupid question but does this trigger a by-election or can the continue as MPs until the next GE?