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What's your favorite part of Prometheus, Mockney?

It's hard to choose, there are so many. Obviously most people point to the classic "running in a straight line" scene, and I can't deny it's an iconic moment, but being a bit of a hipster, I prefer the subtler, less blockbusting moments of stupidity. The ones that reward repeat viewings, reassuring the viewer again and again that "yes, it really was that stupid."

Things like the casual dismissal of evolution for humans but not animals even though we share DNA, because a scientist "chooses" not to believe it. Or the idea that we share 100% of our DNA with our creators, when that would just make them human and there'd be no need for some elaborate creation ceremony. Or that time a biologist runs away from the first discovery of a dead alien body, but then tries to cuddle a live evil slimey vagina snake. Or the bit where the geologist with the automated mapping devices whose still in constant contact with the ship, manages to get lost. Or the bit where they all take their helmets off. And then the bits where they all continue to do so on every mission, even after one of them gets severely sick and has to be unnecessarily burned alive in front of his lover after showing symptoms for all of 5 minutes, when as far as anyone knows he got sick from taking his helmet off. Or that bit where Idris Elba goes and has sex while members of his crew are still missing. Or that bit where he decides to scan the atmosphere as they're descending onto the planet (good thing it wasn't a gas planet, ey Cpt. Dickhead?) Or that bit where he turns up in a wetsuit to explain the plot because the writers suddenly realised no one has any clue whats going on yet. Or that bit where he commits suicide just 'cos Shaw tells him to. Or that bit where they all let Shaw come on the final expedition with them immediately after giving birth to an Alien, even though they've just burned a guy for looking a bit peaky and two of the very people on that jaunt had literally just quarantined her. Or that bit where Guy Pierce turns up in Doctor Who make up and no-one cares. Or that bit where David is learning all those languages manually like a human when he could surely just be programmed? Or that bit where he activates the alien ship by pushing some soft boiled eggs and blowing into a recorder even though he has no breath. Or that bit where the head from Art Attack has an orgasm and then explodes. Or how almost all the cast are speaking in accents even though there's no need for it, and Noomi Repace really, really can't do it. Or how Charlize Theron is implied to be a villainous character entirely by dressing her in an evil computer game bodysuit, even though she's probably the most sensible person on the entire ship and does virtually nothing of either harm or use the entire time. Or that bit where the Undercover Boss turns out to be her father and it makes no difference to anything or anyone. Or that bit where a zombie shows up for absolutely no reason and attacks and kills a bunch of crew members we've never seen before. Or how he's folded up like an Scorpian when he does so because...something? Or how Holloway is such a massive sulky cock biscuit he gets drunk at the disappointment of only discovering the first example of alien life, after a mere 6 hours of exploring one tiny part of a huge planet. Or that bit where the Engineer decides to come back and fight a small, injured woman rather than just getting into another ship. Or how the legend of Prometheus doesn't actually relate to the plot of the film in anyway whatsoever.

All of that is good, admittedly. But when I really think about it, I'd probably have to go with the bit where the hologram of the supposedly long dead Guy Pierce looks at the real life human actors he's not supposed to be interacting with.

I might get the DVD just to think of some more.



It's a very good thing you don't pick the movies I should watch.

I'm not sure why I would be doing that, but I imagine it would probably be in some kind of ward for the mentally disadvantaged, and I'd be putting it on to distract the patients while the orderlies change the colour of the fairy lights.
 
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I don't think even Malicks best mate would deny his head has spent most of the 21st century somewhere up his backside.
Just watched Knight of Cups, thought it was ok. A big improvement on To the wonder but not as great as Tree of Life, but it's reaffirmed I don't believe he's pretentious as such. Sure it's high brow stuff but ultimately the themes he talks about are quite straightforward. He just does so in an unconventional way (for the cinema medium) which leads to this pretentious tag, but I really don't agree with it.
 
never got round to watching Prometheus. Since Mock rates it, I may give it a shot.

It's got a certain camp charm if you think of it as the world's most expensive SyFy original movie. Or perhaps create your own imaginary prologue wherein the ship has been sabotaged by Weyland's arch nemesis, and all the hand picked specialist recruits have been covertly replaced by complete idiots who have no idea what their jobs are (or even what science is in some cases) and have also been hypnotised into doing the exact opposite of the sensible thing at all times.
 
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It's got a certain camp charm if you think it as the world's most expensive SyFy original movie. Or perhaps imagine some kind of prologue wherein the ship has been sabotaged by Weyland's arch nemesis, and all the hand picked specialist recruits have been covertly replaced by complete idiots who have no idea what their jobs are, or even what science is.

yeah. just read your review...I'm fascinated :)
 
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@Sigma you've given a good rating to Brave which encourages me. I'm planning on watching it at some point but it just sounds a bit shit.
 
@Sigma you've given a good rating to Brave which encourages me. I'm planning on watching it at some point but it just sounds a bit shit.
From what I have heard, Brave is only considered bad when compared to Pixar's other work. On its own as a movie its apparently pretty good.
 
Yeah Brave is fine, good film.
It's got a certain camp charm if you think of it as the world's most expensive SyFy original movie. Or perhaps create your own imaginary prologue wherein the ship has been sabotaged by Weyland's arch nemesis, and all the hand picked specialist recruits have been covertly replaced by complete idiots who have no idea what their jobs are (or even what science is in some cases) and have also been hypnotised into doing the exact opposite of the sensible thing at all times.
I also liked how Tom Hardy was in the film but it wasn't actually Tom Hardy.
 
Just watched Knight of Cups, thought it was ok. A big improvement on To the wonder but not as great as Tree of Life, but it's reaffirmed I don't believe he's pretentious as such. Sure it's high brow stuff but ultimately the themes he talks about are quite straightforward. He just does so in an unconventional way (for the cinema medium) which leads to this pretentious tag, but I really don't agree with it.
That feeling when you wake up and check the Caf and don't remember writing yesterdays posts.
 
Wall-E's first half was wonderful. It became generic animated film after that. But I guess most animated films have those bits.

I still prefer lion king to all of them. I wonder if it would still hold up now.
Agree for Lion King. My favorite Disney movie. I love Wall-E a lot though. Despite how much I like these two movies, my favorite animates movies are 'Grave of the Fireflies' and 'Spirited Away'. So, Studio Gimili > Disney.

I preferred Up's opening. Was more hard hitting and relatable.

Fantastic opening! Certainly a better opening than that of Wall-E.
 
It's hard to choose, there are so many. Obviously most people point to the classic "running in a straight line" scene, and I can't deny it's an iconic moment, but being a bit of a hipster, I prefer the subtler, less blockbusting moments of stupidity. The ones that reward repeat viewings, reassuring the viewer again and again that "yes, it really was that stupid."

Things like the casual dismissal of evolution for humans but not animals even though we share DNA, because a scientist "chooses" not to believe it. Or the idea that we share 100% of our DNA with our creators, when that would just make them human and there'd be no need for some elaborate creation ceremony. Or that time a biologist runs away from the first discovery of a dead alien body, but then tries to cuddle a live evil slimey vagina snake. Or the bit where the geologist with the automated mapping devices whose still in constant contact with the ship, manages to get lost. Or the bit where they all take their helmets off. And then the bits where they all continue to do so on every mission, even after one of them gets severely sick and has to be unnecessarily burned alive in front of his lover after showing symptoms for all of 5 minutes, when as far as anyone knows he got sick from taking his helmet off. Or that bit where Idris Elba goes and has sex while members of his crew are still missing. Or that bit where he decides to scan the atmosphere as they're descending onto the planet (good thing it wasn't a gas planet, ey Cpt. Dickhead?) Or that bit where he turns up in a wetsuit to explain the plot because the writers suddenly realised no one has any clue whats going on yet. Or that bit where he commits suicide just 'cos Shaw tells him to. Or that bit where they all let Shaw come on the final expedition with them immediately after giving birth to an Alien, even though they've just burned a guy for looking a bit peaky and two of the very people on that jaunt had literally just quarantined her. Or that bit where Guy Pierce turns up in Doctor Who make up and no-one cares. Or that bit where David is learning all those languages manually like a human when he could surely just be programmed? Or that bit where he activates the alien ship by pushing some soft boiled eggs and blowing into a recorder even though he has no breath. Or that bit where the head from Art Attack has an orgasm and then explodes. Or how almost all the cast are speaking in accents even though there's no need for it, and Noomi Repace really, really can't do it. Or how Charlize Theron is implied to be a villainous character entirely by dressing her in an evil computer game bodysuit, even though she's probably the most sensible person on the entire ship and does virtually nothing of either harm or use the entire time. Or that bit where the Undercover Boss turns out to be her father and it makes no difference to anything or anyone. Or that bit where a zombie shows up for absolutely no reason and attacks and kills a bunch of crew members we've never seen before. Or how he's folded up like an Scorpian when he does so because...something? Or how Holloway is such a massive sulky cock biscuit he gets drunk at the disappointment of only discovering the first example of alien life, after a mere 6 hours of exploring one tiny part of a huge planet. Or that bit where the Engineer decides to come back and fight a small, injured woman rather than just getting into another ship. Or how the legend of Prometheus doesn't actually relate to the plot of the film in anyway whatsoever.

All of that is good, admittedly. But when I really think about it, I'd probably have to go with the bit where the hologram of the supposedly long dead Guy Pierce looks at the real life human actors he's not supposed to be interacting with.

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You're crazy! How on Earth you can remember all of these details.

Agree that it was awful though. But it seems that I have forgotten most of the stuff from that movie.
 
Just watched Knight of Cups, thought it was ok. A big improvement on To the wonder but not as great as Tree of Life, but it's reaffirmed I don't believe he's pretentious as such. Sure it's high brow stuff but ultimately the themes he talks about are quite straightforward. He just does so in an unconventional way (for the cinema medium) which leads to this pretentious tag, but I really don't agree with it.

Isn't that sort of what pretentiousness is?

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You're crazy! How on Earth you can remember all of these details.

Agree that it was awful though. But it seems that I have forgotten most of the stuff from that movie.

I literally watched it last weekend. The Mrs had never seen it, and I like a good hate-viewing.
 
@Sigma you've given a good rating to Brave which encourages me. I'm planning on watching it at some point but it just sounds a bit shit.

It wasn't that well received (the popular opinion was it was an OK movie) but I enjoyed a lot.
 
@Mockney

Bravo. You'll have to do one for The Departed.

Of all your criticisms, the recorder bit really got me. Why make a point of him not breathing earlier in the film only to make him play a breath activated instrument at the end?

Just why?


Why?


Why?

I guess it was all an elaborate ruse, just to hide his instrument playing abilities because he uses them all the time to activate ancient alien devices, but he doesn't like to talk about it.
 
13 Sins

Watchable cross between Finchers 'The Game' and 'Saw'. More of a black comedy than a horror in tone but a decent premise that sees a bloke receive a mysterious phone call daring him to swat a fly for $1000. If he goes on to complete a challenge he gets another for more money and so on. Naturally they get more and more extreme...you can work out the rest. Ending was a bit flat which was a shame after the build up.
 
Agree for Lion King. My favorite Disney movie. I love Wall-E a lot though. Despite how much I like these two movies, my favorite animates movies are 'Grave of the Fireflies' and 'Spirited Away'. So, Studio Gimili > Disney.



Fantastic opening! Certainly a better opening than that of Wall-E.
Spirited Away is pretty spectacular. I just bought it for my sister as a Christmas present along with Princess Mononoke and Kiki's Delivery Service.

Wait, what? Tom Hardy is in Prometheus?
 
Spirited Away is pretty spectacular. I just bought it for my sister as a Christmas present along with Princess Mononoke and Kiki's Delivery Service.

Wait, what? Tom Hardy is in Prometheus?

I only saw that for the first time a few months ago. It was uncommonly good.
 
4. Ingmar Bergman on Jean-Luc Godard:
“I’ve never gotten anything out of his movies. They have felt constructed, faux intellectual, and completely dead. Cinematographically uninteresting and infinitely boring. Godard is a fecking bore. He’s made his films for the critics. One of the movies, Masculin, Féminin, was shot here in Sweden. It was mind-numbingly boring.”

Savage
 
I totally agree with the one about Citizen Kane.

I'm not a fan of Kane even though I'm very interested in Welles.
 
Goodnight Mommy
Austrian horror film about twins who become disconnected to their mother after she has facial cosmetic surgery. Beautifully shot, every frame felt like a photograph. The film was very eerie and expertly done slow burn type of movie. The acting was excellent and I was really really enjoying it. The movie felt fresh, original and was a genre film where the directors clearly knew exactly what they were doing. There was a negative but I don't want to spoil the film:

switching from eerie psychological horror to body horror was a good move to make most of the genre limitations however the twist ending was a let down a little bit. I was so engrossed that I didn't see it coming but I know many people will see it coming and that can ruin the film (e.g. the case with my wife). Also, this type of twist is very common (Tale Of Two Sisters, The Other, Sixth Sense) and I would have liked something more original.

I still enjoyed this and is a horror stand out in a year where there were only a handful of good horror films. Very artistic, original and a pleasure to watch 8.5/10
 
Apocalypse Now

God dammit this annoyed me. I'd never seen it before and it sounded fantastic, so last night I put the 3 hour redux version on.

The first two and a half hours were absolute perfection and it was looking like an easy 10/10 for me. Honestly, I was in awe of how bloody good this film was.

The final act however ruined it for me. From the moment they arrived at the Cambodian tribe I started to dislike it, I know it's probably meant to be all poetic and have some deep message but I was just bored, underwhelmed and disappointed that what was looking like becoming potentially my favourite movie of all time petered out.

Brando's character confused me. He was supposed to be a badass colonel accepted as some kind of God but he just seems to accept his death. I never understood his intentions towards the end.

I just feel like I've completely missed the point of the final quarter of the film. Maybe someone cleverer than me can explain it.

It's an 8/10, purely because as I said the first three quarters blew me away.
 
Apocalypse Now

God dammit this annoyed me. I'd never seen it before and it sounded fantastic, so last night I put the 3 hour redux version on.

The first two and a half hours were absolute perfection and it was looking like an easy 10/10 for me. Honestly, I was in awe of how bloody good this film was.

The final act however ruined it for me. From the moment they arrived at the Cambodian tribe I started to dislike it, I know it's probably meant to be all poetic and have some deep message but I was just bored, underwhelmed and disappointed that what was looking like becoming potentially my favourite movie of all time petered out.

Brando's character confused me. He was supposed to be a badass colonel accepted as some kind of God but he just seems to accept his death. I never understood his intentions towards the end.

I just feel like I've completely missed the point of the final quarter of the film. Maybe someone cleverer than me can explain it.

It's an 8/10, purely because as I said the first three quarters blew me away.
If I remember correctly the original running time is around 2 hours and 30 minutes long. So although I haven't seen the version your talking about(And it's being a long time since I've seen the original)it could simply be a bit rubbish compared to the original.

Similar thing happen with Bladerunner where the original version is rubbish compare to the director's cut.
 
If I remember correctly the original running time is around 2 hours and 30 minutes long. So although I haven't seen the version your talking about(And it's being a long time since I've seen the original)it could simply be a bit rubbish compared to the original.

Similar thing happen with Bladerunner where the original version is rubbish compare to the director's cut.

I've read what bits were added for the redux version but the additions weren't the problem. Unfortunately the final quarter of the film just wasn't to my tastes. I'm gutted really, because I was sat there thinking to myself "This is amazing, and Marlon Brando STILL hasn't been in it yet, this is gonna be the first 10/10 I've watched in months."

It wasn't to be.
 
@JamesB__ - it's a great movie. You have to remember this is more of a study into Sheen's descent into madness as we follow him from the opening scene (going crazy in the hotel room), down the river and into the tribe. With Brando's character, we only catch a glimpse of him and he is meant to be this powerful being. We hear him first, and the camera creeps around to him. He is covered in shadows, a big hulking man dripped in sweat. It's powerful imagery. I haven't watched it in years, but that's what I remember thinking at the time.
 
@JamesB__ - it's a great movie. You have to remember this is more of a study into Sheen's descent into madness as we follow him from the opening scene (going crazy in the hotel room), down the river and into the tribe. With Brando's character, we only catch a glimpse of him and he is meant to be this powerful being. We hear him first, and the camera creeps around to him. He is covered in shadows, a big hulking man dripped in sweat. It's powerful imagery. I haven't watched it in years, but that's what I remember thinking at the time.

I'm not saying the Brando bits were bad. Technically they looked good, sounded good and as a whole pretty well shot, I just built my hopes up that the ending was going to blow me away just as much as previous scenes in the film had.

Why was Sheen's character released and allowed to wander around seemingly unguarded, which obviously lead to Kurtz' death? What was Kurtz' plan for Sheen, did he want to die by this point? Why did the tribe allow Sheen to walk away with Lance knowing he'd just killed their God?
 
I'm not saying the Brando bits were bad. Technically they looked good, sounded good and as a whole pretty well shot, I just built my hopes up that the ending was going to blow me away just as much as previous scenes in the film had.

Why was Sheen's character released and allowed to wander around seemingly unguarded, which obviously lead to Kurtz' death? What was Kurtz' plan for Sheen, did he want to die by this point? Why did the tribe allow Sheen to walk away with Lance knowing he'd just killed their God?
My own take was - Brando is accepting his death and Sheen has accepted his own madness / depravity, and that there is no difference (at this point) between Brando and Sheen. When Sheen drops the weapon at the end to the tribe, he accepts his new role as their god.

Brando, in a sense, has led Sheen to accepting this role and 'lives on' (thereby closer to reaching godhood, sorta).

I know the above might sound a bit fluffy, but this is what I thought.