Entourage, serious business.
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I'm sure they probably wanted at least some of the reviewers who've made it 33% and 31% on Metacritic & RT to like it. Or at least not to hate it so much to declare it an affront to everything holy and decent. But if they didn't, then yeah, they sure showed them!
Entourage, the show, was hardly a critical success and they made 8 seasons of it so I doubt critical acclaim was their modus operandi.
Entourage the movie was made to please Entourage fans and they succeeded (whilst also breaking even at the BO) so anything else is a bonus for them.
Well if you set the bar that low...
Pleasing the fanbase is a low expectation?
Fair enough, but that isn't my point. My point is that if the movie has been made to please Entourage fans, and Entrourage fans only, and Entourage fans think it's good, then it's a safe bet to assume it's a faithful reflection of the show. Which means the argument that no one who hasn't watched the show can have a proper opinion, doesn't fly, because if you liked the show, you'll like this, and if you hate this, you'll hate the show. Ipso facto, Kermode (or whomever) doesn't need to do dick to have an opinion.
This is now the second pro-Entourage movie argument that's contradicted itself (After the "It's just a light hearted brainless piece of fluff that you need to watch countless hours of to understand the context" one) Consequently I already hate it with a passion, and I've yet to see either the film or the show.
Ironically, this only makes me want to watch it more.
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You're making a mountain out of a molehill with some of the comments about contextualising the movie by watching the show. Not one persons said you need to watch all of it to understand the movie. I simply stated it would obviously be beneficial to have seen the show to give it some sort of context beforehand, I at no point said it was absolutely necessary.
You're taking things way too literally
Yeah, but I can feel this being an epically rant worthy subject. I've already managed to start a three page argument over something I've never seen. Just imagine how good it'll get when I've actually watched it!
As Redknapp would say, I literally can't wait to read this year's 'brought to you by The Departed' film rant by Mockney. He's set his sight on Entourage, those douchebags better brace themselves.
I don't really mind what you think of the movie TBH. You obviously won't like it as you don't like the show which follows a very similar formula.
I know it's not the best movie ever made etc. but I spent countless hours watching Entourage so watching it on the big screen was cool. You must have something similar to relate to.
It reminds me of Dexter, I loved Dexter and invested countless hours watching it so I could really stop when it turned shit because I had to see it through...
Kermode is a god though, just worth pointing it out again.
I like this one
Nah, I watched some more of his videos to get a proper consensus and the guy is an cnut.
He reminds me of Stewart Lee, just not funny...
And we now know everything about you.
The actual movie itself will be a tremendous letdown after this buildup. However, a good Mockney rant would be worth the price of admission.
So what are these rants like then?
Should I go and trawl through loads of old rants to give this new one a better context then? I think it would be so much better if I do that...
Should I go and trawl through loads of old rants to give this new one a better context then? I think it would be so much better if I do that...
He's just got a way with words. Good one to look up is Prometheus. A movie that I didn't really mind too much when I saw it, but after reading his rant I questioned myself as to why I didn't dislike it more.
Iirc, he felt the same about Interstellar, a movie that I actually quite liked. (edit: check that, he didn't mind Interstellar)
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Vincent Chase - 'Lighten up! It's not Citizen Kane'
http://www.theguardian.com/film/video/2015/jun/17/entourage-the-movie-cast-video-interview
http://www.theguardian.com/film/video/2015/jun/17/entourage-the-movie-cast-video-interview
For reference, his review of Sex and the City 2, a film he deemed better than Entourage
His Godfather III one is an old classic.
I haven't watched Entourage the TV show, but the movie was bearable as a 19 year old. Some funny moments here and there. I know a few people from Hollywood or nearby similar places in terms of economic status like Beverly Hills, and the people there do tend to be tasteless, snobby, and shallow. Obviously not to the extent the movie parodies, but the point remains.
Still, I don't like how every single character was repulsive. Not one left a good taste.
Still, I don't like how every single character was repulsive. Not one left a good taste.
Absolutely. It's an open goal. You're talking about people who are so easily pleased they've stuck with the same tired formula for 8 seasons of ever diminishing quality. Serve them up any old mess of douchebag male fantasies with enough boobies, fancy cars and loud music and they're all good.
If the film-makers had a bit more about them they might have made a movie good enough to be enjoyed by people who weren't already fans of the show. I've never heard of any big studio investing that much money in making a movie with the soul intention of pleasing existing fans and breaking even at the box office. They'll have hoped to make a lot of money and win over a bunch of new fans. Judging by the reviews (and not just Kermode's) what they served up was so lame it achieved only the most basic of goals.
@Pogue Mahone Fair enough, you don't like Entourage, but please tell me I'm not alone in saying that Locke is one of the very best character studies of recent years.
Have to say I've never seen Entourage or the movie, or even know much about it so have no opinion either way. But nothing in that video adhered me to the cast in any way. I'm not sure it will help your argument.
I really enjoyed it, so you might not be alone but you're definitely a minority in this thread!
Re Entourage. I should be clear I haven't watched it. So it might yet surprise me.
You didn't come out loving Jonny Drama?
So. More reviews. I've watched a lot of movies over the last week.
Kingsman
I reckon if I was 14 or 15 years old this would go down as my favourite movie of all time. Being a fully grown adult I was less impressed but it was good fun all the same. Yer man who played the spy kid had bags of charisma and the whole clash of cultures between a London "yoot" and the landed gentry of the Kingsmen lifted it above run of the mill fair. The knowing nods to other films of the genre worked quite well too. "This ain't that type of movie". I just hope they didn't get a 15 certificate because that would exclude the people to whom it would appeal the most.
6/10
Kajaki
This seemed to slip below the radar a bit. Haven't heard many people talking about it. Quality film though. Brilliantly brings home the way war can swing from boredom to horror in the blink of an eye. Some of the scenes were really hard to watch, in a good way. Great performances all round and kept my palms sweaty for a solid hour or more. Recommended.
7.5/10
The Signal
Horror/sci-fi crossover sort of film. Can't say too much without giving away spoilers but basically involves hackers who may or may not have had an encounter with an alien life form. It's all quite stylish, with some really unsettling moments. Loses the plot a bit in the final third but still creates some memorable set-pieces despite itself. Another minor irritation would be that movie trope where people wear headgear that has a large visor and a really bright light shining on their face from a couple of inches away. I get that it looks cool but seriously? How the hell do they see anything? Worth a watch anyway.
7/10
Kingsman
I reckon if I was 14 or 15 years old this would go down as my favourite movie of all time. Being a fully grown adult I was less impressed but it was good fun all the same. Yer man who played the spy kid had bags of charisma and the whole clash of cultures between a London "yoot" and the landed gentry of the Kingsmen lifted it above run of the mill fair. The knowing nods to other films of the genre worked quite well too. "This ain't that type of movie". I just hope they didn't get a 15 certificate because that would exclude the people to whom it would appeal the most.
6/10
Kajaki
This seemed to slip below the radar a bit. Haven't heard many people talking about it. Quality film though. Brilliantly brings home the way war can swing from boredom to horror in the blink of an eye. Some of the scenes were really hard to watch, in a good way. Great performances all round and kept my palms sweaty for a solid hour or more. Recommended.
7.5/10
The Signal
Horror/sci-fi crossover sort of film. Can't say too much without giving away spoilers but basically involves hackers who may or may not have had an encounter with an alien life form. It's all quite stylish, with some really unsettling moments. Loses the plot a bit in the final third but still creates some memorable set-pieces despite itself. Another minor irritation would be that movie trope where people wear headgear that has a large visor and a really bright light shining on their face from a couple of inches away. I get that it looks cool but seriously? How the hell do they see anything? Worth a watch anyway.
7/10
It's The Departed he really hated. Well, I don't think he actually hated the film, but still, his rant on that was epic. You got a link to the Prometheus one? Never read it.He's just got a way with words. Good one to look up is Prometheus. A movie that I didn't really mind too much when I saw it, but after reading his rant I questioned myself as to why I didn't dislike it more.
A Long Way Down
4 strangers accidentally meet on a rooftop on New New Years eve when trying to all commit suicide then make a pact to return and do it on Valentines day. Then the story follows all four of them and their reasons for wanting to kill themselves.
I quite enjoyed this, was funny in bits, well acted and the plot was interesting enough but it did feel a little empty. Not sure what it is but something was missing... Maybe the fact that they didn't delve deeper into such a dark subject matter bugged me... 6.5/10
4 strangers accidentally meet on a rooftop on New New Years eve when trying to all commit suicide then make a pact to return and do it on Valentines day. Then the story follows all four of them and their reasons for wanting to kill themselves.
I quite enjoyed this, was funny in bits, well acted and the plot was interesting enough but it did feel a little empty. Not sure what it is but something was missing... Maybe the fact that they didn't delve deeper into such a dark subject matter bugged me... 6.5/10
Currently has a 7.4 rating on IMDB so I'd consider that a fairly good reception from non critics.
As far as the critics go they were always going to hate on it purely based on what the show/movie is about. I give no weight to what they say or let their opinions sour my opinion of the movie. I liked it as an Entourage fan and thats pretty much all I have to say on the matter really. I honestly couldn't care less If you guys do/don't like it really, the only thing that matters is that I do.
I'm not trying to convince anyone to watch it etc. I'm just challenging criticisms that in my opinion were unjust.
Terminator Genisys currently has a 7.0 ... give it time.
Actually, i'll use that to segue into
Terminator Genisys - Dumb as feck. Takes all sort of liberties, not only with time travel logic, but with all logic. Today it occured to me:
Who the feck uses a time machine to travel 20 years INTO THE FUTURE? I mean, why didn't they just... you know... wait?! And plan... and shit
Entourage came out like a month before TG.
Well that's what Arnie did. During which time he managed to infiltrate the Genisys headquarters and somehow build a secret fecking panic room - which only Sara O' Connor could access - yet it never occurred to him that he could just stick a massive feck off bomb in there and job done.
There's so many fecking ludicrous bits of plot in that movie. There's a few of them in the dedicated thread but it would be a long fecking thread to cover them all.
I will say though that it (Entourage) definitely worked better as a 25 min episode show. Was very strange watching it for as long as it was
It's also been seen by a lot less people... also a month isn't that long.
IMDB scores always start high... takes a while for them to even out. I seem to recall Man of Steel sitting at an 8 or something for a while after it was released... now it's sitting on a (still proposterously high) 7.2
So it went from 8 to 7.2. What a transformation
For the record as a movie Entourage wasn't that good. Even as a fan it was nothing special but because I am a fan I was pleased to see it. If it was just an ordinary movie without the show before it etc. then it would have been probably a 5/10. Because of the show I'd probably give it a 6.
What do you mean?
The show itself was never one to excel when it came to getting good critical reviews. I didn't think the movie would be any different because simply the movie was bound to be just an extended episode of the show, which it pretty much was.
So it went from 8 to 7.2. What a transformation
For the record as a movie Entourage wasn't that good. Even as a fan it was nothing special but because I am a fan I was pleased to see it. If it was just an ordinary movie without the show before it etc. then it would have been probably a 5/10. Because of the show I'd probably give it a 6.
Yeah, so Entourage could drop to a 6.5 or lower... not exactly a good IMDB score.