Are Bailley and Jones both likely to be absent then?
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Are Bailley and Jones both likely to be absent then?
Yes. Both of them, jones walked of with a groin/hip injury, bailley is injured and most probably will miss too. Pogba is still in the states so wont be playing.
What are you expecting from Jose on Sunday? Retain position or sit back and wait? I'm really intrested to see how this goes, I think Poch will happily give you position and wait to nick the ball, game will be won in the middle Poch will have Dier, Winks and Alli/Eriksen against Magic, Herrera/Fellini. Mata. It will either be a Durge of a game or to and fro.
So, if you play a back four, who will your CB pairing be? Smalling + ???
We'll have to go with Lindelof unless we rush Jones or Bailly back from injury. Bailly's return date is around the 28th October, we don't know the extent of Jones' injury though.
On Sunday I expect him to come out and say how fantastic we were, how Lindelof proved a lot of people wrong with his performance and that Lukaku deserved his hattrick. The games on Saturday.
I'm not so sure that CM will be the key battle. I might be wrong, but what I expect is that Fellaini will play and that United will play a vast amount of long balls - by-passing the midfield - for either Lukaku and Fellaini to win, and/or for the pace of Rashford or Martial to latch onto behind down the flanks. So Spurs should avoid playing a high line, use the press sparingly, be content to concede possession and play a counter-attacking game.
For me that means Son to start again, with the same team (and formation) as against Liverpool except to play Rose (or Davies) as left wingback and Aurier as right wing-back.
Lindelof most likely but after his poor showing at the weekend his place is far from guaranteed. Blind could end up partnering Smalling with Young playing at LB.
The situation is far from ideal but after the Huddersfield debacle the players will want to make a statement of intent, at least that is the hope.
Is Rojo not available instead of Lindelof?
Nope. He'll be back early/mid November.
Difficult to say at this point, injuries are piling up of late and they are all to key players. Still, it's a squad game and the players available will have to show face and step up to the plate.
A strong Matic performance is absolutely essential if we are going to win this game, his ability will be put to the test with Spurs' high press strategy. I make you right by the way, the game will be won or lost in midfield. The vast majority of these big games are.
Looking forward to it in any case.
I think if we set up like we did at Liverpool we will win tbh. But I can't see Son starting over Dele, who will be more advanced if Dier starts. This game screems Son though, I haven't critised Poch much but he doesn't start Son enough.
I've been impressed though by Poch this season his possession game seems to be forgotten. I can see United having 60+ possession it's just depending where we can nick the ball. I don't see any really dominant side but I can see a lot of goals.
Our likely Back four will be
Valencia-smalling-any one who is fit- anyone with a left foot.
Fellaini wont play, he was given a time scale of 3 weeks minimum and its just been 1 and a half week. Some reports say Jose was pissed at martial for going into his shell after getting kicked and he wont play either.
I was thinking more of Winks being rested, with a CM of Dier + Alli, which would allow Son to start.
Oh, I didn't know that. Then perhaps CM will be more of a key battle than I thought, with less of a long-ball game from United.
Could live with that, I thought Dele put a good shift in. I'm not saying Winks is the next Gerrard but the kid moves the ball well. Hope he's not rested.
I think the Spurs midfield can be got at and bullied a bit with just Winks/Alli in there. Seems very lightweight compared to the midfield when Dembele/Dier/Wanyama are fit. Their defence is a different kettle of fish, it's really fine tuned, Madrid had real trouble breaking down the back 3(5) Spurs lined up with at the Bernabeu. And Llorente and Kane up top always posed a threat with an out ball.
We’ve look like we are in a serious dip of form that has possibly only just started.
Spurs are coming on the back of a superb couple of weeks.
Factor in some really damaging injuries for us, and this is going to be a very tough match.
Our blunt attack will probably create very few chances.
Spurs are coming on the back of a superb couple of weeks.
Factor in some really damaging injuries for us, and this is going to be a very tough match.
Our blunt attack will probably create very few chances.
You have a very good home record under Mourinho and don't concede many at all. I said before the Liverpool game, if we beat them, a team we have had a poor recent record against, it would really set down a marker for our title ambitions this season. The United game is yet another one, we have 100% away record so far this season, and you do have some injuries so it may be a good time to play you. If Spurs win on Saturday, I think it would send a very very strong signal, that this side are potential title winners. That said, Mourinho is a master at getting results in games like these.
Will be an intriguing contest for sure. Last season I believe we played very well and made a big mistake to lose the game, (kane giving the ball away). Hopefully this season we get better luck.
Lost at home to West Ham. Poch's turning up his nose on cups is a bit like Wenger when he went through a barren spell. May come back to haunt him.
He could have worded his comments better, but in reality he's right, the LC isn't as important as the PL & CL and based on the intensity and difficulty of the games in both competitions all season long, you have to rotate and rely on fringe players like he said.
This is their 3rd game in 8 days after Real and Liverpool, the likes of Kane and Eriksen have earned a rest and other players had to step up. Alderweireld, Dier, Davies (albeit at LCB), Rose (albeit first start of the season), Alli, Trippier, Son all started tonight, Sissoko and Llorente started and played well at the Bernabeu, they were only 3-4 players away from it looking like a proper first XI, equally so were West Ham as they also rested several regulars.
I think Pochettino would have still expected to win tonight based on the team he put out, so did I looking at the line-ups as probably did most people.
Until they win a trophy, league cup includes.. they’ll still just be Spurs as far as I’m concerned.
This. One trophy which ironically is the league cup that most Spurs fans love to slag off these days is the only piece of silverware they've managed to win in over 10 years. Not one of the big boys in the league until they pick up a trophy in my eyes. Even Arsenal are managing to win trophies under a washed up Wenger ffs.
If they win a League Cup they will still be the Spurs to most. 3 FA Cups and Arsenal still have the "bottlers" tag.
Given they’ve won the league cup in the fairly recent past and got to a couple more finals I can see why Spurs wouldn’t take the competition as seriously as most would think they should
It’s certainly naive for Spurs to focus on the league and UCL (lol) given the likelihood of winning either of those is remote at best however maybe they’re looking at the FA Cup as the lesser trophy they’d want to win?
It’s certainly naive for Spurs to focus on the league and UCL (lol) given the likelihood of winning either of those is remote at best however maybe they’re looking at the FA Cup as the lesser trophy they’d want to win?
I'm not sure 10 years ago counts as fairly recent.
A decade ago. If using this argument, then Wenger can sign a contract for life with Arsenal. He had them challenge for the league within last decade and last won the league just little over a decade ago while achieve invincible season which for all PL titles SAF won, even him couldn't achieve same feat...
I agree on the rest of your point that need to win something to build that belief that they can win which would help in bigger competition.
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Cups are important as long as there is progress in league too. Problem with Wenger was they didn't progress in the league at all for a decade and they were winning or challenging for league every season, so just winning domestic cups without challenging for league was a failure for Wenger.
For Spurs, they are still in early Wenger cycle, so Poch has time on his side but I don't understand why coach or player start downplaying any trophy.
For Spurs, they are still in early Wenger cycle, so Poch has time on his side but I don't understand why coach or player start downplaying any trophy.
It's funny to me that the Tottenham fans I know look down on the league cup when they'd kill for any trophy they could get. They have a strong squad and a great coach but until they start winning things I ain't gonna take them seriously.
Spurs is just not a deep team at all. You take Kane and Eriksen out of the team and they are not that scary anymore. They are very reliant on those two players.
Must win something this season or their big players (including manager...) will start leaving, and rightly so.
Hard to expect too much depth with their relatively low wage budget. And besides, similar could be said for most teams, if you take out a teams two best players everyone will look worse off.
I don't disagree, but I can't think of any team who could lose their two best outfield players and not be seriously adversely affected. There's no shame in relying on Kane to score most of your goals and relying on Eriksen to create a hefty percentage of your chances.
DisgustingObviously we would miss him but when Kane was injured for 12 games last year we did ok results wise. We have had plenty of injuries to key players over the last couple of years and have dealt with them fairly well. Other than yourself and City I don't look at any other club in the PL and think they have significantly deeper squads.
It's got nothing to do with depth, in my opinion. It's simply the fact that they do not have the strength of character to win a trophy.
I'm aware the 'b word' has become unpopular, but they're bottlers. Whenever it most matters (and they could actually win something) they fail.
They've been 'good' now for 3 seasons - that means they've had a chance at 10 trophies or so, yet they win nothing, how does that happen to such a good side if they're not bottlers?
We've won an F.A cup, a League Cup and the UEFA cup in that same time period, yet many people think Spurs have been the better team...
Either they're not as good as they're hyped up to be, or they're bottlers.
I'm aware the 'b word' has become unpopular, but they're bottlers. Whenever it most matters (and they could actually win something) they fail.
They've been 'good' now for 3 seasons - that means they've had a chance at 10 trophies or so, yet they win nothing, how does that happen to such a good side if they're not bottlers?
We've won an F.A cup, a League Cup and the UEFA cup in that same time period, yet many people think Spurs have been the better team...
Either they're not as good as they're hyped up to be, or they're bottlers.
fecking hell!
I think this has some merit to it, and it also stems from the manager.
No matter how well Spurs are playing, they seem to have it in them to capitulate out of the blue. I think this is because they have an inexperienced squad and manager. It also says something about the quality of the manager, because Conte, Mourinho and Guardiola never had this habit of capitulating when they were new to management.
What is lacking is game management. As an example you look at the game against West Ham, it was almost as if Pochettino reluctantly made a change, only when the third goal went in did he make a change. I think that a more adept manager would have tried to stop the bleeding earlier.
He reminds me of Wenger in that respect. Wenger very rarely makes unplanned substitutions. He tends to make the same substitutions regardless of the game state. Only when things look really bad does Wenger make an unorthodox substitution. Klopp is also like that at Liverpool, he has a habit of losing the lead because he plays the same way no matter what the score.
Kane out for tomorrow. Pocho doesn't want to risk him.
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