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Will Spurs finish in the top four in the upcoming season?

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Rhyme Animal said:
It's got nothing to do with depth, in my opinion. It's simply the fact that they do not have the strength of character to win a trophy.

I'm aware the 'b word' has become unpopular, but they're bottlers. Whenever it most matters (and they could actually win something) they fail.

They've been 'good' now for 3 seasons - that means they've had a chance at 10 trophies or so, yet they win nothing, how does that happen to such a good side if they're not bottlers?

We've won an F.A cup, a League Cup and the UEFA cup in that same time period, yet many people think Spurs have been the better team...

Either they're not as good as they're hyped up to be, or they're bottlers.
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Mmmm I mean quite clearly they don’t have the strength in depth of the bigger teams.
 
breakout67 said:
I think this has some merit to it, and it also stems from the manager.

No matter how well Spurs are playing, they seem to have it in them to capitulate out of the blue. I think this is because they have an inexperienced squad and manager. It also says something about the quality of the manager, because Conte, Mourinho and Guardiola never had this habit of capitulating when they were new to management.

What is lacking is game management. As an example you look at the game against West Ham, it was almost as if Pochettino reluctantly made a change, only when the third goal went in did he make a change. I think that a more adept manager would have tried to stop the bleeding earlier.

He reminds me of Wenger in that respect. Wenger very rarely makes unplanned substitutions. He tends to make the same substitutions regardless of the game state. Only when things look really bad does Wenger make an unorthodox substitution. Klopp is also like that at Liverpool, he has a habit of losing the lead because he plays the same way no matter what the score.
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When it comes to the business end of the season this Spurs team do tend to buckle under the pressure, which can only really be put down to a distinct lack of experience throughout the squad. They don't have a single player they can point to that has done it all before, someone they can seek advice from when the going gets tough. As a collective they are an extremely talented bunch of lads, as individuals their character (winning mentality) is highly questionable.

This season is make or break for Spurs and their players, if they go on to win something it may just be the catalyst for a period of domination - such is their ability as a unit and as individuals - yet should they fail to bring home the bacon once again, their squad will very likely break up. Their best players (Kane, Eriksen, Alli, Rose etc) will no doubt seek pastures new, not only only for the chance to win trophies but for a substantial pay increase as well.
 
Andersons Dietician said:
Mmmm I mean quite clearly they don’t have the strength in depth of the bigger teams.
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Really? Beat Liverpool 4 - 1, drew against a full strength Real Madrid at The Bernabeu, without their two first choice central midfielders, and they don't have strength in depth?
 
I just have a feeling United will be really up for this one tomorrow. Losing Kane is a massive blow for Spurs. Fingers crossed.

Have to say Poch is proving himself a superb young manager.
 
Primativ said:
Really? Beat Liverpool 4 - 1, drew against a full strength Real Madrid at The Bernabeu, without their two first choice central midfielders, and they don't have strength in depth?
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Do you honestly think if we put every player from the top 6 sides side by side people wouldn’t be saying Spurs don’t have the strength in depth to really challenge on all fronts?

They clearly have to sacrifice competitions to concentrate on the league as they just don’t have the overall quality to compete on all fronts. They have a very good first team. We can call on Mata, Miki,Carrick,Smalling,Bailly,Rojo,Jones,Blind,Fellaini and continue to go on. Don’t even want to bring City in to the equation.

They also pay less in wages for their squad than Crystal Palace. They don’t have the strength in depth. Also bottlers? They dismantled City and Chelsea at points last season. A bunch of bottlers don’t do things like that.
 
Random Task said:
When it comes to the business end of the season this Spurs team do tend to buckle under the pressure, which can only really be put down to a distinct lack of experience throughout the squad. They don't have a single player they can point to that has done it all before, someone they can seek advice from when the going gets tough. As a collective they are an extremely talented bunch of lads, as individuals their character (winning mentality) is highly questionable.

This season is make or break for Spurs and their players, if they go on to win something it may just be the catalyst for a period of domination - such is their ability as a unit and as individuals - yet should they fail to bring home the bacon once again, their squad will very likely break up. Their best players (Kane, Eriksen, Alli, Rose etc) will no doubt seek pastures new, not only only for the chance to win trophies but for a substantial pay increase as well.
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I have to say I would agree with a lot of that, Llorente should have a positive influence in that respect but for me the lads need to do it themselves.
 
Andersons Dietician said:
Do you honestly think if we put every player from the top 6 sides side by side people wouldn’t be saying Spurs don’t have the strength in depth to really challenge on all fronts?

They clearly have to sacrifice competitions to concentrate on the league as they just don’t have the overall quality to compete on all fronts. They have a very good first team. We can call on Mata, Miki,Carrick,Smalling,Bailly,Rojo,Jones,Blind,Fellaini and continue to go on. Don’t even want to bring City in to the equation.

They also pay less in wages for their squad than Crystal Palace. They don’t have the strength in depth. Also bottlers? They dismantled City and Chelsea at points last season. A bunch of bottlers don’t do things like that.
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There's a lot of depth in the squad now imo. Although a lot has been impacted by injuries I'd say we match up with most teams very well, except City have more attacking depth, but they've got more than nearly everyone in the world.
 
Andersons Dietician said:
Mmmm I mean quite clearly they don’t have the strength in depth of the bigger teams.
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They have way more strength in depth than us for example. Look how we've done with two of our mf's out, Spurs on the other hand has done well with their first choice mf's missing.
 
Andersons Dietician said:
Do you honestly think if we put every player from the top 6 sides side by side people wouldn’t be saying Spurs don’t have the strength in depth to really challenge on all fronts?

They clearly have to sacrifice competitions to concentrate on the league as they just don’t have the overall quality to compete on all fronts. They have a very good first team. We can call on Mata, Miki,Carrick,Smalling,Bailly,Rojo,Jones,Blind,Fellaini and continue to go on. Don’t even want to bring City in to the equation.

They also pay less in wages for their squad than Crystal Palace. They don’t have the strength in depth. Also bottlers? They dismantled City and Chelsea at points last season. A bunch of bottlers don’t do things like that.
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Tbh, many of those are not special at all.
 
I remember looking at Spurs at the start of the season and thinking Janssen is championship level, sick notes like Lamela in the squad. And a Dembele that will struggle with injury for the rest of his career. They had a bunch of academy products as backup but they moved to addess these issues. Llorente was a great piece of business and Sanchez is proving to be as well. They dont really have a replacement for Eriksen is the only thing I see with the squad now. I mean yeah Llorente is a step down from Kane who is on another level, but compared to an academy player with 0 experience he is a step up.
 
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Andersons Dietician said:
Do you honestly think if we put every player from the top 6 sides side by side people wouldn’t be saying Spurs don’t have the strength in depth to really challenge on all fronts?

They clearly have to sacrifice competitions to concentrate on the league as they just don’t have the overall quality to compete on all fronts. They have a very good first team. We can call on Mata, Miki,Carrick,Smalling,Bailly,Rojo,Jones,Blind,Fellaini and continue to go on. Don’t even want to bring City in to the equation.

They also pay less in wages for their squad than Crystal Palace. They don’t have the strength in depth. Also bottlers? They dismantled City and Chelsea at points last season. A bunch of bottlers don’t do things like that.
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They don't. Spurs have the 6th highest wage bill in PL. Crystal Palace are at 14th.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jun/01/premier-league-finances-club-by-club
 
SwansonsTache said:
They have way more strength in depth than us for example. Look how we've done with two of our mf's out, Spurs on the other hand has done well with their first choice mf's missing.
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Yeah but their midfield pairing are still playing in front of their first choice back 4 while our injury hit midfield are playing in front of our reserve centre back pairing.
It's a double whammy for us right through the spine of the side.
 
Andersons Dietician said:
My bad I was watching a united vs Spurs breakdown yesterday and they mentioned Spurs pay less in wages so that is where I took that from. Damn Phil Neville and his co pundit.
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You deserve all the criticism in the world for believing Phil Neville.

Btw I agree with your general point.
 
Obviously the Spurs players are going to have the game of their lives this afternoon. 10/10 perfromance across the park from Lloris through to Son.

Going to hammer us in to the ground they are.
 
Really think they should of started Llorente. Lots of nice passing players in their midfield, but no one to get in behind or knock it long too.
 
Bwuk said:
Really think they should of started Llorente. Lots of nice passing players in their midfield, but no one to get in behind or knock it long too.
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They should have tried to get Son in behind as he's quick and mobile, but for some reason they didn't really do that, and looked to be strikerless for most of the game. And then when Llorente came on, they didn't even try to go direct. Poch didn't seem to know what to do without Kane on the pitch.
 
The goal knocked the stuffing out of them. Never feared they’d equalise because they were playing without any convinction from then on.
 
With Kane missing and Real Madrid up next, they were at OT for a point today. Would take Alderweireld at United all day long, though.
 
owlo said:
'The Harry Kane team'
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Oh yeah, forgot about that.

Don't think they created anything apart from that Alli chance though. They had more bodies in midfield and 1st half we struggled but for some reason didn't capitalize on it. Wasn't much in it but I thought we shaded it considering we created better opportunities to score.

ZAGREB RED said:
With Kane missing and Real Madrid up next, they were at OT for a point today. Would take Alderweireld at United all day long, though.
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He is a fine CB but made few uncharacteristic errors today, especially the one which lead to the goal.
 
Negative Poch, coming to Old Trafford without an out and out striker.. I wonder if the media will attack him like they would Jose if he went to Etihad, Stamford Bridge etc playing someone out of position up front, I doubt it.
 
Mister_Stubbs said:
Negative Poch, coming to Old Trafford without an out and out striker.. I wonder if the media will attack him like they would Jose if he went to Etihad, Stamford Bridge etc playing someone out of position up front, I doubt it.
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Unlikely considering he is the media darling at present.

Truth is, however ugly it may appear to be, the long ball game countered Spurs' high press strategy and resulted in our success. Poch was schooled by a true winner this after, Jose Mourinho.
 
K2K said:
He's brilliant.

But our defenders are good too.


Best two defences in the league.
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United defend pretty well these days, but I think TA alongside Bailly would be a very strong pairing indeed. Mourinho's type of CB, just concentrates on defending, very solid and reliable. Last I heard, he is out of contract at the end of this season with no new agreement yet. If that is still the case, United could do a lot worse than move in for him come January or next summer.
 
ZAGREB RED said:
United defend pretty well these days, but I think TA alongside Bailly would be a very strong pairing indeed. Mourinho's type of CB, just concentrates on defending, very solid and reliable. Last I heard, he is out of contract at the end of this season with no new agreement yet. If that is still the case, United could do a lot worse than move in for him come January or next summer.
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That changes things

is that true?

And I love defenders like that. A bit like Godin.
 
K2K said:
He's brilliant.

But our defenders are good too.


Best two defences in the league.
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If ManUtd CB lost the header like he did for the goal he would be roasted here. He is quality though without doubt but in few games people will forget those small mistakes while Jones slipping against Stoke will be used all season.
 
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