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That it was me who changed the thread direction.
*Spurs have little trouble attracting players that the bigger clubs don't want or care about.
*Don't have the means to compete in the transfer market with clubs that chase big names for big money.
That's closer to the truth isn't it?
I loved Poch's reaction in the press conference before today's game when he laughed at a question and mocked the questioner for an obsession with trophies. Kind of points at weird priorities - shouldn't a manager of a big club be obsessed with trophies?
If a United manager had tgat reaction to a question, I would be very worried. Trophies are the entire point.
If a United manager had tgat reaction to a question, I would be very worried. Trophies are the entire point.
* Check the number of posts on here from United fans who'd like the club to sign Eriksen, Alderweireld, Alli, Rose, Son etc. That's not including the likes of Bale, Modric and others.
* Don't currently have the means because we've poured/are pouring not far short of 1 billion pounds into our new training centre and new stadium complex. But we've been doing fine in the transfer market regardless of this.
Well he did say that the League cup is unimportant, and their priority is the PL and CL. Considering they don't have a donkeys chance of the PL, I think he's going for the CL trophy then...
David Moyes was effectively sacked following the famous "we need to aspire to be more like Man City" quote after they battered us at home. A manager of a big club needs to think big, winning trophies included.
Although they each barely win anything, they both still win a lot more trophies than Spuds do.
Context mate.
Those players were unknown quantities when they signed for Spurs. Nobody challenged you for their signatures, not with any degree of conviction in any case. That they have become top of the market players is down to Spurs' outstanding coaching methods more than anything else. Or they were simply lucky finds.
And now many wish they had ... but some other clubs are too busy chasing "big names" for big money.
In any case, Alderweireld was hardly an "unknown quantity" at S'hampton, nor especially was Son from the Bundesliga, where he'd scored 41 goals in 2 seasons.
Anyhow, I'm off. If it pleases you to think that Spurs are perhaps just "lucky" when it comes to signing players, then so be it.
Yes but that's because he feels he isn't ready for Barca yet. Anyone in their right mind would never choose Spurs over the likes of Barca when the said player is in his prime.
Spurs has its own charm and attraction for young players who want to step up from a smaller club and grow but for most top young players they are just a stepping stone to a bigger team if they're good enough.
I think we have as good a chance as any of the top 6 of attracting young talents around the world, including those sought after by our rivals. This is because younger players can see a good shot at first team football under a manager who develops players (Davinson Sanchez is a good example who we beat Chelsea to) - our problem comes when we look for more established 'top level' players who would expect to start at most clubs - then it comes down more to wages and likelihood of titles,cups,etc. that's when Spurs struggle.
And what trophy are you going for?
A player moving to us would see that in the last 3 seasons (a notable lean spell for us) we've won the FA Cup, League Cup and Europa League and are currently sat 2nd in the PL.
A player moving to you would know that in the last 9/10 years you've won utterly nothing and are currently 5th in the PL.
In 20 years you've won 2 League Cups, do you want me to list what we've won in that time?
Agree with all of that.
It pleases me very much.
But Son, I don't get the hype surrounding him. The guy runs around a lot, granted, but to what end? He has little to no impact on the game whatsoever. Very average player.
For a wide player, he scores quite a lot of goals. I'm not sure how that's "little to no impact" on games - he's an excellent finisher with both feet and provides a real threat from out wide (the only Spurs player that does).
Like Ronaldo leaving United you mean?
As for the rest, the goal-posts keep shifting on here. First, it's "no player chooses Spurs ahead of Man. Utd, Barca and the like". Then when that's proven to be false - as with Bale and Sanchez for example - it becomes "ah well, no player in his prime chooses Spurs ahead of such clubs."
Mate we have had manys a chat and 90% of the time it's informed and debatable but if u have to ask what Son brings to a game you are either a Wum or ilinformed, I don't get it. Son last year got 14 goals from a wing forward, this season he has 7 already again. Thats more than running around a bit. Your statement makes you sound stupid, sorry to say it cause I actually respect a lot of what you say. He has been more or equally productive than any United player in the same role.
There is no hype around him, he's not a world beater but hes a very good player, you clearly make statments to provoke and get a reaction.
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Laughable how anyone could think of Spurs as not a big club who would struggle to attract players. Since the 50's Spurs have had many of the very best players, including another one that chose Spurs over United ... Paul Gascoigne.
I was not even one of those who said that young players don't choose Spurs.
You keep bringing in Ronaldo while you lot have lost players left, right and center throughout your history. Ronaldo left, having won every medal and trophy available, for his childhood dream club. Players leave Spurs for better wages, more recognition and better chances to win trophies. Massive difference in context. Heck, you guys lost Berbatov to us despite him having no affinity towards us particularly. Bale outgrew you pretty quick as well. There are other examples too but I am not wasting my energy discussing an obvious point. Whether you want to accept it is upto you.
I think Spurs transfer policy has to take risks, they are not going to compete with the top 10 clubs of the world for players or known stars but with good scouting and getting in there early with conviction they can land very very good players.
Eriksen, Alderweireld, Sanchez, Aurier, Son, Lloris, Lamela and Wanyama were all rated as very good players but not exactly top level but they have managed to reach that status at Spurs. There were other clubs linked at the time, maybe not the Madrid's & Barca's but Spurs still did well to get them.
They have also taken risks with youngsters, buying a plethora of players for around 10mil and hoping they turn out as good buys. Alli, Trippier, Wimmer, N'Kdoudo, N'Jie, Janssen. Some of these have been successes while others have not turned out well, but if you can bring in 2-3 successes out of 5 then it's good going in this market.
Eriksen, Alderweireld, Sanchez, Aurier, Son, Lloris, Lamela and Wanyama were all rated as very good players but not exactly top level but they have managed to reach that status at Spurs. There were other clubs linked at the time, maybe not the Madrid's & Barca's but Spurs still did well to get them.
They have also taken risks with youngsters, buying a plethora of players for around 10mil and hoping they turn out as good buys. Alli, Trippier, Wimmer, N'Kdoudo, N'Jie, Janssen. Some of these have been successes while others have not turned out well, but if you can bring in 2-3 successes out of 5 then it's good going in this market.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...-trophies-keep/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
So looks like Kane isn't going to stay if Spurs doesn't start winning trophies. Think that's the first time he has ever said something to this effect.
That's what he has always said, he is happy as long as we keep progressing. I don't think any Spurs fan would be surprised he wants to win stuff.
How much time will he give Spurs? A year? Maybe two?
Id say 2-3 max, when he is around 27-28.
Slightly different scenarios, Ronaldo at the time took a step down, he left 2 time CL finalists (1 time winners) after winning everything there was to win at United (and a Balon d'Or too).
Almost 30 years ago and something I'm sure Paul Gascoigne regrets immensely.
I mean, I think Spurs are a pretty big club that felt like a weird thing to boast about.
I know he grabs his fair share of goals, I'm not disputing that, it's his overal contribution to the game that I don't rate highly. He doesn't strike me as your typical Spurs or Poch type of player, he doesn't fit the system for me. I haven't watched Spurs much this season I admit, unlike last season where I watched them practically every week, so perhaps I'm missing something. You Spurs lads seem to love him to bits.
He has now specifically mentioned winning trophies though. Progress is good on the pitch, new stadium etc, but winning trophies is another level.
I am absolutely 100% almost positive that this is a "come get me plea" for Jose. He will look great in red.
Well, let's see what happens.It's more or less nailed on that Madrid will go for Kane.
Has Madrid written all over it, no way we'd go for another top striker after investing 75m into Lukaku.
He's always mentioned trophies though.
All of his interviews where he's asked this question have gone along the same lines.
I'm really enjoying my football.
I want to keep on getting better.
I want to be the best I can.
I'm very happy here and would love to finish my career here.
HOWEVER, football is all about trophies.
And as long as Spurs can match my ambition, I'll stay.
Ie, if Spurs don't match my ambition, I won't.
Which is fair enough.
He's literally been giving the same interview for 1-2 years now.
We live in hope.
Definitely. Kane to Real will pick up a lot of pace this year.
Kane and Ali were always going to give Spurs this season and next, if they're still where they are May 2019 though the exodus will really start to be in full swing
A lot hinges on Pochettino. No doubt Real will bid for Kane, but if they sack Zidane (which is beginning to look a real possibility), would they go for Poch? I'm sure Levy will refuse to let them both go, and both possibly would like to see out another season = new stadium. I think Alli and Rose could be sold.
Zizou is living on borrowed time for sure. Even if he manages to turn things around and improve results somewhat, I still think Perez will want shot of him.
Although Real would be a tempting offer for any budding young manager, I don't think Poch is quite ready to give up on Spurs yet. He strikes me as the staunch type based on his interviews, he's in it for the long haul for sure. That might change should Spurs start losing their players though.
I checked out Sons stats from last season a while ago because I was genuinely curious in another thread, 14 goals in the prem/6 assists from 2070 minutes. That's pretty fecking good tbf. For 22mil pounds it's a bit of a bargain in todays market, how he compared to similar players.
Son 14 goals/6 assist 2070 mins
Coutinho 13 goals/7 assist 2245 mins
Hazard 16 goals/5 assist 3007 mins
Mane 13 goals/5 assist from 2248 mins
Walcott 10 goals/2 assist 1925 mins
Sterling 7 goals/6 assist 2517 mins
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