Apparently Arsene Wenger has now got involved in these riots..................
............several plastic water bottles smashed.....senseless.
............several plastic water bottles smashed.....senseless.
UK Riots (with the exception of Manchester which has its own thread)
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Finally, they have finally done it, we've been screaming out for it, we've witnessed what happens why they don't respond. Finally, we are recalling parliament.
The state of it is very well. An incredibly small portion of the UK is having troubles is all.
Its their reaction to the environment they grow up in.
The well off often dont need to resort to crime but they share the same materialistic sense of entitlement as those in poorer areas, they have other means of getting what they want though.
Studies into impact of materialistic attitudes on interpersonal relationships show that they result in anger, violence, inability to deal with stress and a host of other factors. The studies I've read crossed social and racial divides and had over 8000 subjects.
Attitudes are similar, reactions are sometimes governed by environment.
So in poorer areas the end results are more obvious, crime, whereas in more well off areas other factors come into play, depression, mental ill health.
The question is, if we tackle the root causes, attitudes to parenting being one which crosses most divides, are we better off than tackling the end results?
Surely this is the definition of what a 'State of Emergency' is?
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i agree with you in some ways
I'm a school teacher and you see parents who come in and you understand why the pupils are the way they are....
at the same time, in the current economic climate, with the amount of unemployed and low skilled young people in the uk with little prospect of getting jobs even if they wanted the government needs to make some provision for long term unemployed or else stop their benefits....
they could be out maintaining the community, working on works programmes, help out charities etc...
either way they need some sort of structure - need to feel part of society and contribute - if they are responsible for looking after communities they will think twice about destroying them
in northern ireland the extreme groups have been able to orchestrate riots over the last couple of years by tapping into the large group of young people who are not really contributing to society and living off family and benefits
yes it is a Joke , but we cant disturb the LONG Summer Holiday.
And we pay for this bunch of useless aresholes
I genuinely really feel for the police. I know they're not perfect and I've had my own issues with them from personal experience but they just seem completely stretched. Some poor cnuts have had to work 27 hours shifts for God sakes. They're spread far too thinly and the little bolloxes doing all of this know this fine well
I'm concerned that tonight things are going to get wildly out of control, and there doesn't sound like many safeguards to stop that. Increasing police presence means nothing, not if they have their hands-tied.
I'm almost certain that I'll see this in MK tonight.
I'm almost certain that I'll see this in MK tonight.
Do you actually think changing attitudes to parenting is more of an issue here than social inequality?
Irrespective of how we rank these causes, which one do you think would be the easier to tackle?
West Midlands police releases CCTV images and appeals for help identifying the looters.
http://www.west-midlands.police.uk/latest-news/majoroperations/operationview/
http://www.west-midlands.police.uk/latest-news/majoroperations/operationview/
Do not be surprised if his stance substantially increases during the day.
It was clear in the three hours between 6pm and 9pm the pace at which this was escalating. All we're doing now is stripping parts of the country of police to shore up London, if we lose control of the other cities then what do we do?
A lot of points that have been raised today in this article below. A good read actually..
Panic on the streets of London « Futile Democracy
Panic on the streets of London « Futile Democracy
There is plenty of video footage to be found of men who easily look in their mid 30's cycling around on bikes like utter knobs, in full support of this.
This whole thing is going to have massive repercussions because it is going to completely inspire mindless morons. It's been a very sad weekend for UK society
You can't have parenting licenses, it's completely impractical, there'd be a population crash.
Sorry, I know this is off-topic but I have a one-track mind - was 'fine well' a typo or is that an idiom in Irish English?
I also get the feeling these kids see this as an opportunity to obtain some sort of twisted hero status.
There has always been social inequality, there is social inequality across the world, there are far less opportunities across the world and far more poverty. This generation of Britons have far more afforded to them than any other in history.
I put it down to discipline, corporal punishment is pretty much banned, school teachers are unable to punish and find it terribly difficult to expell anyone, the police are unable to use force, the courts are too lenient and prisons too amicable, and parents have became far too protective of their children with regard to schools and the police. We need to completely rethink the criminal justice system.
Saw a lot of adults in Liverpool and Birmingham especially, didn't seem as youth orientated as some of the areas in London.
I think I recall the report stating that the kids weren't from the area and had sort of swept in based on a bunch of tweets
The UK Home Secretary
You guys are fecking shit, this bitch was the same during the Student Riots, no answers to actual questions, and even less in terms of action. Also not criticizing individual officers, but riot containment planning by the relevant authorities is laughable.
I'm not saying police should go in, crack skulls and fire off rubber bullets.
But I've seen no water cannons or tear gas, third world countries handle much larger demonstrations/lawlessness in a more coherent and coordinated manner.
It's like the police are completely toothless.
Disagree.
5000 on duty for a pre-planned event compared to having to get people on duty at the drop of a hat.
Hard work that you know.
Cops from GMP have gone down last night and this morning to help out.
What bollocks. What do you want the Police to do?
The country has crippled the Police Service
You are so detached from reality it is beyond me
Police haven't used "Kettling" as the public don't agree with it do they. They would much sooner take Commissioners to the ECHR over it.
They are coming from all over the country mate.
Amen
One of them is Colonel Sanders
i dont think there would be a population crash when you look at it as things stand some parts of the world are overcrowded, and to me some of those people should not be allowed to procreate without consent, any oul eejit can come to a party but only a selection are considered a good host
Not a lot to disagree with there.
They definitely know what they are doing. In fact it's their knowledge that has given them their fearlessness. They know they're not going to get a beating. All you have to do is read the link someone put up in this thread pages back - the do's and don't of post-riot.
It's insane
If I were the Government I would be putting pressure on Twitter to suspend all service to UK IP addresses and Blackberry to suspend their messaging service.
In troublesome hotspots, the police should be given the authority to shutdown mobile telephone masts.
In troublesome hotspots, the police should be given the authority to shutdown mobile telephone masts.
My God. You have to be a parody.
First it's immigration, now it's the end of corporal punishment. Amazing.
There would be a population crash in this country, the population in European countries is already aging, we're having to raise pension ages, stopping people having kids, apart from pissing on people's human rights, would seriously exacerbate that.
Milton Keynes ?
If that's what you mean by MK then I think you're right. I thought of Milton Keynes after Monday morning's violence in Brixton and I'm surprised it hasn't kicked off their yet
This has been threatening to happen for years, the people who live in these communities/war zones have been pleaded for help since broadwater farm erupted 30 years ago, and have had minimal assistance from numerous governments.
30 years of kids growing up with unemployment rates of between 20%-28%, add to that a resentment of authority and the law, which is continually re enforced by their peers, and media.
Add in the vulgur 'rabid materialistic attitude' that has swept across the country.
And what have you got, inner city London 2011......
Tottenham, has needed crucial investment for decades, and spending 13 Billion on Stratford for the Olympics was a crime.
The most damning thing that will come from this, is the realisation that we have allowed this to happen, when people have been warning this would happen for years.
30 years of kids growing up with unemployment rates of between 20%-28%, add to that a resentment of authority and the law, which is continually re enforced by their peers, and media.
Add in the vulgur 'rabid materialistic attitude' that has swept across the country.
And what have you got, inner city London 2011......
Tottenham, has needed crucial investment for decades, and spending 13 Billion on Stratford for the Olympics was a crime.
The most damning thing that will come from this, is the realisation that we have allowed this to happen, when people have been warning this would happen for years.
In countries like Britain and Ireland, we need more not fewer babies.
Our population is getting older all the time and an aging population means less and less tax income and more and more money spent on welfare and healthcare. It's unsustainable.
I fully agree but like it or not watching kids rob shops and watching it sends out the message that all the cops are gonna do is sit back and watch it.
Latter
in the area's that have troubles , but not country wide.
You are an idiot, how many times do I have to say YOU cannot discuss the ghettoisation of London and not consider immigration as a factor.
And how do you explain the fearlessness? Because they know they can get away with it because the police is kept restrained because society has been stripping down any sense of deterrence.