United linked with van Gaal in the meeja

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Twigg said:
In the interview I posted earlier, van Gaal said he always plays the 433 system. That would surely mean either van Persie or Rooney go bye bye. I wonder how he would fit the current United players into that system.
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Was that he always plays 433 with the Dutch side? He's pretty renowned for "developing" different formations for the clubs he's taken over in the past - just look at the formations / images BlackWidow posted above
 
UnofficialDevil said:
This doesnt look very good
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He's an incendiary character to say the least.

Bizzare appointment if it happens. Lots of criticism of Moyes not working with the old staff and trying the change things, but I suspect Van Gaal would not hold back in changing things he didn't like either.

His age is the major factor. At 62 he's hardly one for the future.
 
Blackwidow said:
Not with the ones that are disciplined and hard workers... Not with the team workers.

OK - he had his clash with Ibrahimovic when he was at Ajax. He really asked him to work for the team etc. - and Ibra did not really like it. Van Gaal (who was not a coach there but the technical director) sold him to Juve. He is part of Ibra's book. But I think that story just shows the differences between van Gaal and Guardiola. Both could not live with a player like Ibra - van Gaal looked for the confrontation, Guardiola shied out of it. I think the first method is better. As a player you know the situation like this and you can react.

He has his special ideas. And he talks with the players openly. He is nobody for the maybes. Some can take it - some just cannot. Some might still have illusions and think that it might change.

As a Bayern fan and you look back - even if some of his decisions regarding players was controversial - he actually was right even if some where hard to chew at that time.

The story with van Bommel is just an example for that. Van Bommel then was the Bayern captain and the middle of the dressing room. But he was not showing form on the pitch - and you already saw that he somewhen will really be a liability. Van Gaal saw Kroos' future in central midfield (that is actually where he is playing with Guardiola, too) and he got Gustavo in winter 2011. He just could not give van Bommel the starting guarantee and role he had before. Both - van Gaal and van Bommel - had a short fight with the result that van Bommel left for Milan. Looking back it was a blessing that that transition happened like it did even if it added to the failures of that season. But it was the right time to change that and make Lahm and Schweinsteiger the captains. And it was better like this than to have a unsatisfied van Bommel sitting on the bench and maybe even causing turmoil in the dressing room.

He clashed with Demichelis at the start of his second season - the proud Argentinian could not stomach it to sit on the bench. That is why he left. He has his special idea about defenders - they have to be able to start the build up and he wants a right foot on the right and prefers a left foot on the left of the two central defenders. Lucio and his ways to play - especially his reluctancy to change his role - very early caused Lucio to leave for Milan.

He told Gomez and Tymo very early that they are not his buys and that he has problems to give them spots in his system because of the way they play. But - if you look at it now - we were a lot more successful with Olic or Mandzukic as a striker even if they are less potent goal scorers. And Tymo never got more than a bit part role with Heynckes, too - and they would not have any chances playing with Guardiola.

Ribery had his problems - he had no "fun". But the Ribery of 2009/10 was not disciplined - the Ribery of today is. I do not think that he is an example for anything. The Ribery of 2009/10 would have big problems with Guardiola, too...
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Great post and interesting read. He reminds me a bit of mourinho during his time at us the way he had no problem with players that were team workers and also the way he didn't back down from confrontation. I also felt the same way about mourinho that you did van gaal where he made decisions that were controversial but ultimately the right one for the team and club.
 
RedRover said:
He's an incendiary character to say the least.

Bizzare appointment if it happens. Lots of criticism of Moyes not working with the old staff and trying the change things, but I suspect Van Gaal would not hold back in changing things he didn't like either.

His age is the major factor. At 62 he's hardly one for the future.
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Why does it have to be a major factor? If we're appointing someone to steady the ship for the next couple or three years, what's the issue?
 
Empire said:
He'll bring with him futbol total.
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That's what I'm hoping for.

ZDwyr said:
I've seen Coutinho do that for Liverpool in their 4-3-3. It'd be better suited to Kagawa I think. Maybe Mata too. Rooney doesn't seem to have the tactical discipline - he tries to play everywhere. Or maybe Moyes gave him that role who knows.
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I think Kagawa is the perfect fit for that role, could give him a proper renaissance I reckon. I think Mata will be found on one of the wings.
 
I believe he is the one who converted Schweinsteiger to a central midfielder. Which in hindsight is an incredible decision. He was a good but not amazing winger previously, Van Gaal saw something and out of nowhere he became one of the best midfielders in the world
 
LVG is obviously firm favorite to take over permanently as manager.

Sorry, really don't have the time to filter through all of the wonderful posts in this thread. But how permanent is it looking? i.e. stop-gap until one of the younger manager become available?

And of LVG is appointed, what kind of football can we expect from him? How does he like his teams to line up? And what style of football or form of a attack does he emphasize?
 
I really, really dislike the idea of him becoming our manager.

He's a ticking time-bomb and will surely create havoc in the dressing-room. There's also an argument to be made that he's "yesterday's man", not to mention that he'll be tied up with Holland until the middle of July. We cannot afford another wasted summer, absolutely no way. The new man needs to be in place come the beginning of June, at the very latest.

Plenty of other/better alternatives out there.
 
Werder Herzog said:
The more i hear and read about him the more i like the thought of hm. If somehow we could get De Boer alongside him as no.2 with Giggs still in the set up it would be exciting times ahead.
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Not sure de Boer would go as an assistant as he has been linked with pretty high profile jobs such as spurs as the main man
plus if giggs does well till the end of the season he must be in pole position
 
unitedbhoy said:
LVG is obviously firm favorite to take over permanently as manager.

Sorry, really don't have the time to filter through all of the wonderful posts in this thread. But how permanent is it looking? i.e. stop-gap until one of the younger manager become available?
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Until he falls out with somebody. The board will let him continue for as long as he can deliver success therefore he is the master of his own destiny.

And of LVG is appointed, what kind of football can we expect from him? How does he like his teams to line up? And what style of football or form of a attack does he emphasize?
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Futbol total.

 
nahealai said:
I really, really dislike the idea of him becoming our manager.

He's a ticking time-bomb and will surely create havoc in the dressing-room. There's also an argument to be made that he's "yesterday's man".

Plenty of other/better alternatives out there.
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You also were strongly in favour of David Moyes continuing. I think your opinion counts for as much as Neville's around these parts.
 
5. While Barcelona manager, Van Gaal was introduced to a 14-year-old Gerard Pique by the young defender’s proud grandfather, who was a director at the club at the time.

Without so much as an introductory handshake, Van Gaal barged Pique to the floor and then leaned over the poor bugger and quipped: “You’re too weak to be a Barca defender!”
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gormless said:
I believe he is the one who converted Schweinsteiger to a central midfielder. Which in hindsight is an incredible decision. He was a good but not amazing winger previously, Van Gaal saw something and out of nowhere he became one of the best midfielders in the world
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Also turned alaba from a midfielder into a left back, gave chances to badstuber, muller and kroos when others were ready to let them go. The only worry is how he'd be in the transfer market but I'm sure he wouldn't shy away from replacing the midfield.
 
Empire said:
You also were strongly in favour of David Moyes continuing. I think your opinion counts for as much as Neville's around these parts.
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Supports Moyes and then forgets Moyes created havoc in our dressing room. So awkward.
 
gormless said:
I believe he is the one who converted Schweinsteiger to a central midfielder. Which in hindsight is an incredible decision. He was a good but not amazing winger previously, Van Gaal saw something and out of nowhere he became one of the best midfielders in the world
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Schweinsteiger was never going to be a winger in the long term, always destined for central midfield. Similarly Januzaj isn't going to be a winger long term, he will play behind the strikers. Not sure LVG did anything revolutionary there.

I don't think we can hold on until after the World Cup for a new Manager to start work, that's going to re-create the abortion that was the last summer transfer window ..... unless of course he's already told the Glazers who he wants in.

Still ...I don't particularly like his character and think that he would cause trouble in the dressing room.
 
nahealai said:
I really, really dislike the idea of him becoming our manager.

He's a ticking time-bomb and will surely create havoc in the dressing-room. There's also an argument to be made that he's "yesterday's man", not to mention that he'll be tied up with Holland until the middle of July. We cannot afford another wasted summer, absolutely no way. The new man needs to be in place come the beginning of June, at the very latest.

Plenty of other/better alternatives out there.
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Who? Realistically?
 
Empire said:
You also were strongly in favour of David Moyes continuing. I think your opinion counts for as much as Neville's around these parts.
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Of course I was. I still believe that unless we sign a truly world-class manager, the sacking of Moyes will have been for nothing. van Gaal could potentially be a nuclear reaction in that dressing room. If the players aren't happy with the way things worked under Moyes, I don't suspect they'll enjoy van Gaal's methods much. The last thing I'd like in our club is a Robin van Persie lackey. He's already caused enough trouble this season.

By the way, your condescension is well received.
 
RedRover said:
He's an incendiary character to say the least.

Bizzare appointment if it happens. Lots of criticism of Moyes not working with the old staff and trying the change things, but I suspect Van Gaal would not hold back in changing things he didn't like either.

His age is the major factor. At 62 he's hardly one for the future.
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I think that the issue most people had with Moyes bringing in his own staff was that they were the staff from Everton, similarly inexperienced at a big club whilst the ones he got rid of had been at United for some time and could help make the transition easier.

When a manager already experienced at managing big clubs brings his own staff with him then there's not so much issue. I suspect he'll most likely keep Giggs on to help him gain measure of things which would be great for all involved.
 
nahealai said:
Of course I was. I still believe that unless we sign a truly world-class manager, the sacking of Moyes will have been for nothing. van Gaal could potentially be a nuclear reaction in that dressing room. If the players aren't happy with the way things worked under Moyes, I don't suspect they'll enjoy van Gaal's methods much. The last thing I'd like in our club is a Robin van Persie lackey. He's already caused enough trouble this season.

By the way, your condescension is well received.
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Van Gaals methods are the polar opposite of Moyes. Actually Moyes had no methods.
 
nahealai said:
Another clueless bonehead.

Have you ever played competitive sports in your life?
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Condescending.

And then you wonder why others approach you with such.

Louis van Gaal is more qualified to be the manager than Moyes. The board cannot predict the future therefore they must choose the best man for the job, they will assess other candidates but it all depends on who is available.

I would sooner Louis van Gaal than David Moyes.
 
nahealai said:
You obviously have no clue about how dressing-room dynamics work and the relationship between managers and players.
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And you do?

So keep quiet. Van Gaal will command instant respect something Moyes couldn't do.
 
I don't see anyone else available at the moment, it makes sense to bring him in after the World Cup, whether we entrust him with the money needed to bring in players in the key positions we need is another question. Maybe the club will surprise us all and not go for any of the obvious choices.
 
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