United linked with van Gaal in the meeja

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saivet said:
I've seen it mentioned a lot on here but what even is total football?

I know you're tika taka which I'm indifferent about. What's the fundamental difference between the two styles of play if they are in fact similar?
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Total football is when every outfield player contributes to every part of the game. Midfielders cover for defenders when they're out of positions, player swap between each other amongst other things. It relies on players being able to play multiple roles in the same lineup. That is total football.
 
saivet said:
I've seen it mentioned a lot on here but what even is total football?

I know you're tika taka which I'm indifferent about. What's the fundamental difference between the two styles of play if they are in fact similar?
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Its a flexible footballing philosophy centered around passing and moving. Your centre-back could be your centre-forward, your winger could be your full-back.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
Its a flexible footballing philosophy centered around passing and moving. Your centre-back could be your centre-forward, your winger could be your full-back.
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Kill 'em all said:
Total football is when every outfield player contributes to every part of the game. Midfielders cover for defenders when they're out of positions, player swap between each other amongst other things. It relies on players being able to play multiple roles in the same lineup. That is total football.
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Thanks, I think I follow now. I will have to try and find some videos on it when I have time.
 
Kill 'em all said:
Total football is when every outfield player contributes to every part of the game. Midfielders cover for defenders when they're out of positions, player swap between each other amongst other things. It relies on players being able to play multiple roles in the same lineup. That is total football.
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I've personally always preferred the Dutch concept of Total Football to the Barcelona tika taka...I still have great memories of watching the great Ajax sides of the early 70s with Cruyff and Neeskens and the Holland team of 1974.
 
iBoss said:
So what the hell does he do at England training? Preach about the United way?
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Pretty sure he's dumbfounded the rest of the class of 92' still haven't been approached to join the England backroom staff for the summer.
 
Anyone feel Nick Powel will thrive under Van Gaal? He has the technical ability.
He has been used as a striker at Wigan, which is weird since he was brought in as a AM.

Van Gaal should bring back all of lonees and bring in all the under-21s and hold a 2 weeks session to find out more about them (pre season), like he did at Bayern.

This is a Major reason why I want Van Gaal. The youth are Key. Fergie only kept his job after a first few bad years because of the youth set up he made. Without that, we would never be where we are now (unless were bought by a billionaire that is)
 
Bader said:
Anyine feel Nick Powel will thrive under Van Gaal. He has the technical ability.
He has been used as a striker at Wigan, which is weird since he was brought in as a AM.

Van Gaal should bring back all of lonees and bring in all the under-21s and hold a 2 weeks session to find out more about them (pre season), like he did at Bayern
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I really hope that's something Van Gaal brings to the table. It's been a tad disheartening seeing so little product from our youth system over the past lot of years. Certainly in regards to bringing them into the first team.
 
I just can't see us signing any players until after the WC. Shaw maybe, if he isn't in the England squad.
 
Bader said:
Anyine feel Nick Powel will thrive under Van Gaal. He has the technical ability.
He has been used as a striker at Wigan, which is weird since he was brought in as a AM.

Van Gaal should bring back all of lonees and bring in all the under-21s and hold a 2 weeks session to find out more about them (pre season), like he did at Bayern
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agree...I really hope he gives Zaha a proper chance especially. I know he will make it here.
 
Bader said:
Anyone feel Nick Powel will thrive under Van Gaal? He has the technical ability.
He has been used as a striker at Wigan, which is weird since he was brought in as a AM.

Van Gaal should bring back all of lonees and bring in all the under-21s and hold a 2 weeks session to find out more about them (pre season), like he did at Bayern.

This is a Major reason why I want Van Gaal. The youth are Key. Fergie only kept his job after a first few bad years because of the youth set up he made. Without that, we would never be where we are now (unless were bought by a billionaire that is)
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I think he'll need to work on his diligence - or lack thereof - he'd be decent as a luxury apex man in a 433 but I can't see him being deployed anywhere further behind.
 
More good news, from the Independent:

Manchester United manager latest: Louis van Gaal to join Old Trafford next week – with Ran Giggs on his staff
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By IAN HERBERT
Wednesday 30 April 2014

Louis van Gaal anticipates being appointed Manchester United manager by the start of next week, leaving him just a few days to establish transfer market priorities before he begins preparations for the World Cup with the Dutch national team.

The United chief executive, Ed Woodward, whose prospects of securing Real Madrid’s Carlo Ancelotti perished after the club advanced to the Champions League final on Tuesday, urgently needs a manager to help tie up transfer business before attention turns to Brazil.

But the need to find an experienced successor to David Moyes has been balanced by a determination to ensure that Ryan Giggs will be a key, senior part of the new back-room staff.

Finding a role befitting Giggs’ value to the club as future management material is likely to have formed a key part of negotiations with Van Gaal, who wants to bring as many as five of his own staff to Old Trafford.

Continuity with the past is of huge significance to Woodward, who knows that Giggs would not be receptive to a minor role in the new set-up. It remains unclear whether the 40-year-old, in temporary charge of United, would be the Dutchman’s No 2, though United are likely to find a way to balance the ambitions of both.

Van Gaal ascribes more importance to the composition of his back-room team than most managers. He wants staff who will communicate his philosophy and ensure that the style of football he adheres to is played at all levels of his club. His discussions with previous clubs have stretched to seven or eight hours, just to ensure that the practical details are enshrined in his contract.

His ambitious footballing style and commitment to young players are certainly not out of keeping with the philosophy Giggs has picked up from Sir Alex Ferguson. United will hope that Giggs can view working with Van Gaal as preparation to managing the club himself.

Fine-tuning transfer targets will be Van Gaal’s priority and time is short, as the Dutch World Cup preparations begin next Wednesday with a 10-day training camp at Hoenderloo for the national team’s domestic-based players. The full squad meet-up follows in Portugal on 20 May.

By then, the Dutch will have faced Ecuador in a warm-up game on 17 May, six days after the end of the Premier League season, with fixtures against Ghana and Wales to follow before the group stage in Brazil against Chile, Spain and Australia. The Dutch FA does not want United to represent any distraction to Van Gaal beyond Wednesday.

United are under pressure to tie up transfer targets before the World Cup and Van Gaal would face a hectic few days assessing potential signings such as Southampton’s Luke Shaw, Sporting Lisbon’s William Carvalho and Bayern Munich’s Toni Kroos. United are already second in the race for €40m (£32m) Carvalho, with his agent, Jorge Mendes, under pressure from Real Madrid to place him there.

Carvalho had seemed to be the solution to United’s long-standing lack of a defensive midfielder, though Mendes’ relationship with Real’s president, Florentino Perez, may be key to him heading to the Bernabeu. Ancelotti is understood to prefer the former United player Paul Pogba, now at Juventus.

Van Gaal may also be interested in the Borussia Dortmund defender Mats Hummels.

Though the outcome of Tuesday night’s Champions League semi-final between Bayern Munich and Real Madrid might have had the potential to add another manager to the list United had to choose from, Pep Guardiola is likely to feel that departing Germany after one season would represent a failure.

With Dortmund’s Robert Lewandowski to reinforce his side, the feeling is that the 5-0 aggregate defeat to Ancelotti’s team is no reason for the Spaniard to leave Munich.

Ancelotti’s lukewarm feelings for Real and Perez had also been viewed as something United could exploit. But the problem of the Italian not being available until the conclusion of the Champions League final on 24 May rules out the prospect of Woodward waiting
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Times:

Giggs future likely to be only stumbling block

Louis van Gaal, the Holland coach, is expected to be confirmed as the new manager of Manchester United within the next week.

With United’s faint hopes of enticing Carlo Ancelotti to Old Trafford dealt a blow after the former Chelsea manager masterminded Real Madrid’s march to the Champions League final against Bayern Munich on Tuesday, the way has been cleared for Van Gaal to succeed David Moyes.

United have the framework of a deal in place with Van Gaal, who is thought to be hopeful that an agreement will be announced before he begins a ten-day training camp with the Holland squad in Hoenderloo on Wednesday.

Van Gaal, 62, would be unable formally to start work until Holland’s World Cup campaign has concluded, which would be more than ten weeks away if the Oranje reach the final in Rio de Janeiro on July 13.

Nonetheless, the Dutchman is believed to have drawn up a detailed list of summer transfer targets and is expected to present this to the United hierarchy early next week. Mats Hummels and Marco Reus, the Borussia Dortmund centre half and midfielder respectively, and Toni Kroos, the Bayern Munich midfielder, are in his sights.

The only foreseeable stumbling block that might delay Van Gaal’s appointment would involve Ryan Giggs’s role in the new regime.

Giggs was placed in temporary charge in the wake of Moyes’s sacking on Tuesday last week and the interim United manager — who had hoped to be considered for the job on a permanent basis — may be unwilling to accept a token position under Van Gaal if it came to that.

Senior United officials have indicated privately that they would be reluctant to force anyone on to the new man at the helm, but with Giggs viewed as a future United manager, it seems inconceivable that they would allow a situation to arise whereby the 40-year-old ended up severing his ties with the club with whom he has spent his entire career.

Giggs, who has yet to decide whether he will carry on playing for another season, is thought to be in the dark over the situation, although it would be a surprise if Van Gaal was not willing to consider the Welshman as his No 2.

Frans Hoek, the Holland goalkeeping coach, has informed Van Gaal that he will decide in the next 48 hours whether to join him at Old Trafford or remain with the national team.

Patrick Kluivert, the former Barcelona striker and Van Gaal’s assistant with Holland, has expressed a desire to join his compatriot at United and the name of Jaap Stam, the former United defender who is assistant coach at Ajax, is also thought to have been floated.

Van Gaal is expected to encourage the club to continue their pursuit of Kroos and Reus, with strong indications that the former Ajax, Barcelona and Bayern Munich coach has been looking predominantly at the German market, where Moyes focused much of his attention.

With Nemanja Vidic, the United captain, joining Inter Milan at the end of the season, Rio Ferdinand, his fellow defender, facing an uncertain future and the champions likely to lose out to Manchester City for Eliaquim Mangala, the Porto centre back, Hummels is a fresh target identified by Van Gaal.

Prising Hummels and Reus — both of whom have three years left on their contracts — would be a considerable feat, especially as the German club have already agreed to sell Robert Lewandowski, the forward, to Bayern this summer. Luke Shaw, the Southampton left back, William Carvalho, the Sporting Lisbon midfielder, and Edinson Cavani, the Paris Saint-Germain forward, were other targets United were chasing under Moyes.
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Stam back as coach :drool::drool:
 
It really is brilliant when the reliable journalists report the same thing at the same time, though it does lack any sort of subtlety on the club's part...

Getting Hummels and Reus from Dortmund would be pretty much impossible. Hopefully we don't waste the summer with joint bids and the like.
 
Giggs to take over after three years when Van Gaal retires or would it be too early for him? Providing he stays as an assistant manager that is.
 
El-Manos said:
Giggs to take over after three years when Van Gaal retires or would it be too early for him? Providing he stays as an assistant manager that is.
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If Giggs wants to be manager he should go away and prove his worth. If he succeeds I'm sure he'll be a candidate looked upon favourably, if he fails then well, there's no divine right to be manager of Manchester United.
 
El-Manos said:
Giggs to take over after three years when Van Gaal retires or would it be too early for him? Providing he stays as an assistant manager that is.
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This is probably going to be Van Gaal last job so I can see if him wanting to stay longer than he normal does if it's going right at United.
 
I can see van Gaal liking it here. He'll have more power and autonomy here than he's ever had. He seems the sort to enjoy that. How can you clash with owners that aren't around or a boss that just calls once a week to say "hi"? Unlike Barcelona and Bayern when there was probably daily pressure/interference, he'll probably think this job is his idea of heaven.
 
Anyone else concerned that this total futball lark is going to isolate some of our players? We have a fair few who don't put the shift in off the ball/aren't that up to it out of their preffered position. Or am I misunderstanding the concept?
 
Zak Smith said:
Anyone else concerned that this total futball lark is going to isolate some of our players? We have a fair few who don't put the shift in off the ball/aren't that up to it out of their preffered position. Or am I misunderstanding the concept?
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Of course it will. Like any other manager he will move on players that he can't work with and sign those which fit right into the system.
 
Jip Jaap Stam is a big Dutchman
He helps Van Gaal with his gameplan
Play it wide, come inside, he'll make you look like shite
Jip Jaap Jaap Stam
 
Plugsy said:
Don't know why people are so down on Cavani. We've just had our lowest scoring season in God knows how long and we're fussy about signing a player who has scored on average 30 goals a season over the last 4 years.

He may be pricey but with RVP's injury worries it could make sense.
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I agree. Play him as a proper 9 and he will be great, particularly with Mata and Kagawa supporting. He's a better 9 than Rooney and I just don't see how RVP can be considered reliable in terms of injury at his age and after the season gone.

As long as it doesn't mean we lose out on other players in areas where we need strengthening, which I doubt will happen, then adding Cavani would be awesome.
 
El-Manos said:
Giggs to take over after three years when Van Gaal retires or would it be too early for him? Providing he stays as an assistant manager that is.
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Giggs to be nowhere near the job in three years, please. I want Klopp, or someone of similar credentials.
 
While I'm pleased with the names being thrown around and as such wouldn't mind seeing some of them in a United kit next season, I'd still be slightly concerned if Van Gaal was happy to somewhat idly spend the lion's share of his budget on targets identified by his predecessor, especially considering how a large part of this philosophy he keeps banging on about is finding perfectly fitting pieces for the puzzle. I know outsourcing transfer activity is far from unheard-of in the current climate of DoFs and whatnot, but it would still sit better with me if he had his own targets in mind. I guess the next question would be if his going for Moyes' targets has something to do with the fact that he has mainly payed attention to Dutch players for the past two years and that he doesn't fancy too many of them to be of a required standard.
 
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Moyes' targets are the most obvious targets in the world, Carvalho aside. Reus, Cavani, Kroos and Shaw? Top scouting.
 
It's a done deal. With so many journos reporting it, it must be a matter of time. Kind of like the Moyes sacking it does seem like people have been briefed by a high level source.

I did think that the Giggs situation would not be a major stumbling block. Van Gaal previously has been more than willing to keep members on his staff that have close ties to the club including members of the previous regime he is taking over from.
 
Except for the Cavani bit (why would we be after him?:confused:), everything else looks mint for the news. :D
 
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