Wayne Rooney | 2011/12 Performances

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Do people really rate his performances from last few games(nevermind goals) as World class?
 
Amar__ said:
Do people really rate his performances from last few games(nevermind goals) as World class?
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Lately his performances have been quite poor, but the positive thing is that he's still goalscoring. Usually when he hits a bad run of form the goals dry up as well, but he's still been banging them in lately, which is a very good sign.
 
playing shit but still scoring goals, his passing though is horrendous.
 
No, he was quiet tonight. Crowded out by Fulhams 10 men behind the ball. Part of the reason why Valencia and Young had space, while Giggs, Rooney and Welbeck were totally outnumbered. I don't think it really matters whether he was "world class" or not though. He got the goal and will be vital in the run in because he's brilliant.
 
cheesy said:
Lately his performances have been quite poor, but the positive thing is that he's still goalscoring. Usually when he hits a bad run of form the goals dry up as well, but he's still been banging them in lately, which is a very good sign.
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So, no.
 
If he turns up with goals it's easy to forgive him if we win. Goals win you games. Doesn't do anything for the team if you put in a brilliant performance but you can't score and ultimately don't win the game. So let's enjoy either his good performances or the games where he scores and only give him crap when he deserves it.
 
Amar__ said:
Do people really rate his performances from last few games(nevermind goals) as World class?
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He was excellent against wolves without scoring.

But yes he is having a cracking season. Not sure what else he has to do. Is it simply that as a person he is not overly likable?

We do not realise how lucky we are to have him. Would not swap him for anybody in this league
 
Randall Flagg said:
He was excellent against wolves without scoring.

But yes he is having a cracking season. Not sure what else he has to do. Is it simply that as a person he is not overly likable?

We do not realise how lucky we are to have him. Would not swap him for anybody in this league
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He was just excellent in second half, he was poor in first half.
 
AttackingFlair said:
28 goals while playing behind the striker, amazing.
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Im getting close to fully 'forgiving' him for last years shite he put us through.

Clearly he is now fully refocused on the club, is enjoying his football as he has manage to get all his personal skeletons out the closet and just about get away with it. We have a lot to thank Colleen for forging hi for his disgusting transgressions last year as a stable life at home for a player like Rooney is ver important.

By definition, he won us the game tonight, though it was not anywhere bear his best. But even the, he ran his socks off, was never afraid to get ahold of he ball and tried to invent, even though he was slightly out of tune.

This years league success so far has been built around dominant consistency from him and Michael Carrick. If we win it, its primarily down to these two players (with DdG, Rio and Scholes deserving special praise).
 
Our best player easily but alarmed at how much his work rate has dipped.
 
Kelvin said:
playing shit but still scoring goals, his passing though is horrendous.
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This tbh. His last brilliant all round game was v Chelsea IIRC since then though his all round play has been very poor but he's still getting the goals which is ultimately the reason why we're winning games and like I've said before a lot of Arsenal games I've seen recently RVP has been crap outside the box as well but also still manages to score more often than not so hey ho
 
Amar__ said:
Do people really rate his performances from last few games(nevermind goals) as World class?
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I'm not sure what you expect from Wayne Rooney nowadays?

So he's been playing Trequartista for us this season with a goal tally of 28, having scored quite of lot of crucial big game match winners this season.Do you use Messi/Ronaldo as a yardstick of measure to rate players' performances as World Class and not-so World Class? I do not have a problem if you do but this stringent scrutiny of yours makes football and appreciating football a lot more difficult does it not ?

Because I as a fan, would be grateful about the fact that he's been incredibly consistent of late irrespective of his overall game, but I've noticed you constantly try to be 'insightful' and overly critical about a player's contribution to the game.
 
Lawman said:
Our best player easily but alarmed at how much his work rate has dipped.
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I don't know anything about his immediate body when going into a game (playing in pain or with injury etc etc) but I have noticed this as well.

BUT I think this has slowly and surely started to be subsidized with a player that is now playing with more of the smartness of a class player. This is what will ultimately keep you at the top of the game.

He stands up in the big ones at 100% but in the other games it looks like he's at 70% and just playing off his own talent and doing what he can rather than playing 'rampant'.

Wouldn't trade him for any player in the world and a worthy fulcrum of our attack. He's basically playing two positions in that withdrawn role and the amount of goals he scores has just been crazy. When we're on our short passing quick build-up with the wingers putting on pressure his football brain comes to the fore.

I'd love to see what the confidence of a title and a real crack at the Euro's with Welbeck playing in a similar system like this could do. Welbeck especially would grow immensely.
 
Can't leave him out of many games can you? Not one's we must win anyway.
His ideas are always good but recently his "final ball" has not quite worked out the way he would've liked. On another day the chemistry is better and those attempted through-balls actually get through and then he's considered "world class". Fact is, he is world class calibre. End of. Like sex, no such thing as bad ... just some better than others. ;-)

I also believe Rooney plays better when Scholes is running the midfield. Scholes ability to quickly spread the ball around, side to side as well as down the middle causes the defence to spread out giving Rooney (and Welbeck / Hernandez) way more time and room to operate.
 
Art said:
I'm not sure what you expect from Wayne Rooney nowadays?

So he's been playing Trequartista for us this season with a goal tally of 28, having scored quite of lot of crucial big game match winners this season.Do you use Messi/Ronaldo as a yardstick of measure to rate players' performances as World Class and not-so World Class? I do not have a problem if you do but this stringent scrutiny of yours makes football and appreciating football a lot more difficult does it not ?

Because I as a fan, would be grateful about the fact that he's been incredibly consistent of late irrespective of his overall game, but I've noticed you constantly try to be 'insightful' and overly critical about a player's contribution to the game.
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That's why I'm bolding "except for goals". His performances without goals are average, and that's a fact. He is doing great job for us this season, no doubt about that, but once he stops scoring and continue to put similar performances he won't be irreplaceable. But, let0s hope he will raise his game, or continue scoring like he used ths season.
 
Think he entered the stage people here were calling for before, deciding matches even when not on the top of his game.

And that was something Sir Alex predicted years ago claiming he'll only get better once he matures and that's what happened.

Rooney is world class player that will always look for the better positioned teammate yet it seems he scores for fun.

Playing behind the striker did wonders for both him and United since he has engine to cover all of the final third of the pitch as well as to drop to midfield and create from there.

Personally I rate him just behind Messi and Ronaldo since his overall contribution to the team is second to none when you compare him with other strikers and his ability to cover all attacking positions is unmatched in world football.
 
Amar__ said:
That's why I'm bolding "except for goals". His performances without goals are average, and that's a fact. He is doing great job for us this season, no doubt about that, but once he stops scoring and continue to put similar performances he won't be irreplaceable. But, let0s hope he will raise his game, or continue scoring like he used ths season.
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No it's not.

That's your opinion.

Important difference, considering your opinion is wrong.

Now that is a fact.
 
Pogue, I do think there's some merit to claiming that Rooney's performances, goals not taken into account, has been somewhat varied lately.

He's been sloppy to the point I've been genuinely angry with him in some matches, misplacing easy passes which he should really have the ability to play properly. He was infuriating at times yesterday, after the first 20 minutes I said something along with "he's been shite so he'll probably win us the match now", which turned out to be quite correct.

But at times he's been breathtaking to watch, and I think he's come into his own this season, finding the perfect match between dictating play and creating chances, and getting on the end of our attacks. That's why matches like yesterday, where he could have had two or three assists if he'd taken a bit more care with his final ball, can seem so infuriating.

We all know what the boy is capable of, that's why it's so frustrating when he's a bit off his game, there's no doubt about that.
 
Lately, his performances have been average to say the least, there's obviously no denying that. Still, it doesn't matter because as I said previously, he is scoring goals for us, and crucial ones at that.
 
Red Dreams said:
yet after he went off, I felt they came back more into the match.

He is a handful. They have to beware of him.

That is his value.
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I would say that was as much a change of formation/focus. Had Berbatov came on for him I doubt we'd have seen the same shift.
 
marjen said:
He's been sloppy to the point I've been genuinely angry with him in some matches, misplacing easy passes which he should really have the ability to play properly. He was infuriating at times yesterday, after the first 20 minutes I said something along with "he's been shite so he'll probably win us the match now", which turned out to be quite correct.
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He was being man-marked by Diarra (didnt realise it was Mahamadou Diarra, there you go)..

After watching the game it was a lot of the time Carrick and Giggs moving the ball to Rooney who was deep in the center cause he was being marked out of existence. Then once he went to his trademark turn wide and hit a 45 ball to the wing it was obvious the next 4 or 5 times he did that as there was practically a line of fulham players marking Valencia out from that pass every time Rooney was on the ball. I think he executed it twice.

They parked the bus hard and his goal was a strikers instinct goal. Lurking in the right area. A few things I noticed with Giggs/Young/Welbeck's understanding was that a number of times they all made identical runs to the near post or to the back post. There was hardly any spread of players in the box for each ball (near/center/far).

That frustrated me a little. Usually the winger goes back post the midfielder in the center and the striker poaches the near post for a finish or a flick on.

All in all I didnt think Rooney was that bad in general. Especially with a 6ft Malian brick shit house up his arse for the 80 minutes. I think that was a like for like sub from Fergie. Rather than push Rooney back for Murphy who was obviously going to raid from deeper in our midfield he opted to bring Scholes on and play a deeper 3 and try and nullify the threat.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
No it's not.

That's your opinion.

Important difference, considering your opinion is wrong.

Now that is a fact.
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It's not just my opinion, I'm sure most of people here think that Rooney's performances in last few months without goals are average.
 
He's scored a lot of goals because he is the main striker that plays almost every single week for a top club, and he's not a bad player. But even then,a lot of his goals have been largely concentrated in a few small periods a lot like Berbatov last year. Most importantly, though, his performances have been consistently average since November, with quite a few totally shitty ones. He is the definition of Mr. inconsistent.

The thing with Rooney is that a lot of fans remain in la-la land when it comes to him, and it takes so little for his praises to be sung and for titles to be hurled at him: as long as he played frequently in a title winning season, he's the best player at the club and just behind Messi and Ronaldo; if he was out of the team on a couple of occasions when we played badly, he's the most important player at the club; if he scores a tap-in or penalty in one of his numerous characteristic shitty displays, he "decides" matches even when not at the top of his game.

He's a good player, Rooney, but if being the best and most important player at a club means you have to show it on the pitch more consistently than your teammates, then the fact is he hasn't deserved to be for a long time now.
 
Does anyone really care if he is ineffective for 85 minutes if in the 5 good minutes he wins us the match? I remember a certain french god being exactly the same on times.
 
In my opinion, Rooney is the most important player for us. We've all bemoaned the midfield at some point this season, and I think the reason why we haven't addresed the issue in the transfer market is because Rooney's willingness to help out in that area has somewhat masked the problem. When we aren't in possession, we essentially are a midfield 3, with Rooney doing the energetic work that Fletcher did for us and the work that Fergie thinks Park is still capable of.
 
@martinlaurence7: Interesting to see Wayne Rooney's mins/goal ratio is better than van Persie's. Rooney's rate also improves to just 88 mins when playing FW

For all the praise RVP has got this season, Rooney has been brilliant.
 
Baxter said:
@martinlaurence7: Interesting to see Wayne Rooney's mins/goal ratio is better than van Persie's. Rooney's rate also improves to just 88 mins when playing FW

For all the praise RVP has got this season, Rooney has been brilliant.
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A month or so back, I argued to death that Rooney and van Persie weren't that far apart based on this season's form. van Persie's form has dipped off a little, making the goal to game ratios of the two very similar.
 
manutddjw said:
In my opinion, Rooney is the most important player for us. We've all bemoaned the midfield at some point this season, and I think the reason why we haven't addresed the issue in the transfer market is because Rooney's willingness to help out in that area has somewhat masked the problem. When we aren't in possession, we essentially are a midfield 3, with Rooney doing the energetic work that Fletcher did for us and the work that Fergie thinks Park is still capable of.
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I thought opposite Imo Rooney's work rate has diminished severely in the last few seasons. Still think he is our best player though so not having a go.
 
For all the talk, RvP goals to games ratio = 0.81 this season. Rooney = 0.80.

Let's see who comes through for their team at the vital time...
 
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