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Cutch said:
It can be very inconsistant (which is understandable for a developing young player). Sometimes its majestic but other times he can be a bit untidy. The Tottenham game is a good example, see before and after his goal.
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His touch is brilliant. As with all players, though, if he's not on his game then his touch is one of the first things to go. A good example being Rooney in the first half of last season. No fundamental problem with ability or technique, just playing badly.

As per datura's comment above, Welbeck's whole game (including his first touch) is very dependent on his confidence.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
His touch is brilliant. As with all players, though, if he's not on his game then his touch is one of the first things to go. A good example being Rooney in the first half of last season. No fundamental problem with ability or technique, just playing badly.

As per datura's comment above, Welbeck's whole game (including his first touch) is very dependent on his confidence.
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Yep. Confidence, over eagerness, and maybe even concentration all probably factors. As i say, nothing to worry about.
 
noodlehair said:
He's almost got Berbatouch :confused: It's the decision making that goes along with it he's still improving on.

What happened to that argument I was having with you gimps last year about how in a years time Welbeck would be good enough to stay at United?

I think the counter argument was something about him not being as good as Gareth Bale and that therefore we should pay £40 million for Gareth Bale instead. People need to be shown up for this.
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I'm not sure that's quite how it went noodle. It was just rednev being rednev, not having a clue what potential is, 'Fabregas doesn't seem to actually anything to help his side win games, is nowhere near worth £40m and is less valuable than Flamini', Wales > England. And then Mockney just doing his argumentative thing...

Mockney said:
This time last year Bale started to be one of the best performing young players in the League (bit later actually, after the new year), so Welbeck has another 4 + months to start being one of or the best young player in the League or the whole "when he was his age" rubbish will be just that.

I'm not hoping he won't be or anything, I hope he's fecking awesome, but some of the assertions in here are knee-jerk and a bit mongish. Welbeck's done very little in first team football yet, Bale has done comparably a lot and there's only a year and a bit between them. It's not hard to see why playing down one whilst building up the other is a bit spazzy.
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noodlehair said:
Only by your calculations, and in anycase, Welbeck's been playing very well for Sunderland this season, and is begining to find some consistency. He might not turn out to be good enough, but potential wise he's not exactly lagging behind where Gareth Bale was at the same age. Welbeck probably has more natural ability and as Fergie said, is still developing physically. He's the best young prospect United have on their books, aside from maybe Rafael.
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rednev said:
Sorry, but that's simply nonsense. At 17 Bale was one of the brightest prospects in football. Just because his first couple of seasons at Spurs were difficult for him, it does not mean he was shite. The problem was he was playing in the wrong position.

And as for Welbeck, of course he has potential to be a top class player, but so do many young players in the Premier League. Until he actually strings together more half a dozen games of good performances, then he's still just one of many prospects in the game.
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noodlehair said:
That's not realy what's going on. It's simply been stated that Danny Welbeck is a very good prospect and comparable in that respect to Bale at the same age. This doesn't seem that outrageous to me. He is a very good prospect. He has been ever since he first appeared in the United youth set up. Many people have noticed this, including Alex Ferguson, who's said as much on numerous different occasions.
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noodlehair said:
What happened to that argument I was having with you gimps last year about how in a years time Welbeck would be good enough to stay at United?
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I'm pretty sure to get the maximum satisfaction out of face-rubbing you have to make sure the person is definitely wrong before performing the aforementioned rub.

Lets give him a season (or at least half) to show what he can do before dubbing him Cantona with pace.
 
He's been showing what he can do for the past couple of years, against the likes of Everton and City for us and Sunderland, the likes of Chelsea for Sunderland, or the likes of Spurs and co. just a couple of weeks ago and a couple of years ago for us. He has that something special.
 
Brwned said:
I'm not sure that's quite how it went noodle. It was just rednev being rednev, not having a clue what potential is, 'Fabregas doesn't seem to actually anything to help his side win games, is nowhere near worth £40m and is less valuable than Flamini', Wales > England. And then Mockney just doing his argumentative thing...
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What thread is this from?

It seems vaguely familiar but the one I was looking for I'm sure went on for a couple of pages and involved a posse of people demanding we fork out £40m on Gareth Bale, and yes I think rednev was involved.
 
Bale is a far more proven talent. Silly to compare welbeck to him already.
 
Plechazunga said:
His touch is feckin ace!
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I don't agree.

He's all legs sometimes and struggles to take a pass cleanly. It was especially evident during the summer fro England at the European Championships.

As others have said it appears largely dependant on confidence - if he's playing well it dowsnt seem to be as much of a problem.

In any event, he's still young and will hopefuly improve.
 
finneh said:
I'm pretty sure to get the maximum satisfaction out of face-rubbing you have to make sure the person is definitely wrong before performing the aforementioned rub.

Lets give him a season (or at least half) to show what he can do before dubbing him Cantona with pace.
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Indeed.

Very promising start but its too early to judge in my opinion.

Also seems to get a few injuires. Hopefully this won't hold him back.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Bale is a far more proven talent. Silly to compare welbeck to him already.
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That's the thing. No one was comparing the two of them. It just seemed to be that the fact Welbeck wasn't as proven as Bale automatically made him shit.

This was also at the same time Bale was apparently as good as Lionel Messi.
 
I wonder if the people who thought we should swap him for Henderson are still disappointed it didn't happen.
 
noodlehair said:
That's the thing. No one was comparing the two of them. It just seemed to be that the fact Welbeck wasn't as proven as Bale automatically made him shit.

This was also at the same time Bale was apparently as good as Lionel Messi.
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Well then that's a silly assertion by whoever it was that made it.

Regarding welbecks touch, I don't think its outstanding yet which is only to be expected give his age. But you can see it has potential. Even during the course of a game he seems to drift between being a bit clumsy when the ball is played to him and getting his touch absolutely spot on.

Berbatov is someone who has an incredible first touch and consistently so. Welbeck has great ability in this regard but is young and hence his is not as consistent as it will be in a few years time.
 
RedRover said:
Indeed.

Very promising start but its too early to judge in my opinion.

Also seems to get a few injuires. Hopefully this won't hold him back.
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Too early to judge what?

A lot of people one here have been following his career closely for the last 5 or 6 years. He's consistently stood out as a special footballer, for our academy and reserves. Even if you only ever watch PL football it was hard to miss his extremely successful loan spell with Sunderland. For United he's put in some cracking performances, even before this season. It's not as though he's not been a player worth looking out for either. Fergie's been talking him up for years.

If you can't see the clear and obvious talent this guy possesses it's not because it's too early to tell, it's because you haven't been paying attention.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Too early to judge what?

A lot of people one here have been following his career closely for the last 5 or 6 years. He's consistently stood out as a special footballer, for our academy and reserves. Even if you only ever watch PL football it was hard to miss his extremely successful loan spell with Sunderland. For United he's put in some cracking performances, even before this season. It's not as though he's not been a player worth looking out for either. Fergie's been talking him up for years.

If you can't see the clear and obvious talent this guy possesses it's not because it's too early to tell, it's because you haven't been paying attention.
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As I've said before - all well and good being a special player in the academy and reserves but the first team is a different matter.

The question is whether he can perform regularly and consistently for United to the very high standard that is expected of every player who pulls on the shirt.

He is cleary a talented footballer, and I'm not saying otherwise. But its not only a question of talent - for me it takes a special sort of player to be able to handle the pressure and expectation at United and to be able to thrive. Some players may be very good footballers and have very good careers elsewhere, doesnt mean they will be stars at United.

Players have come in before and promised a lot, but have failed to deliver or reach expectation long term, so forgive me if I dont christen him the next United superstar after a handful of games, especially when the team in general is in such fine form and is yet to hit a rough patch.

In any event I personally don't think it benefits the player to heap even more pressure on them by labelling them. He needs time to develop and will hopefully get that without fans calling him a genius one minute then jumping on his back when he has a bad run of form.
 
RedRover said:
As I've said before - all well and good being a special player in the academy and reserves but the first team is a different matter.

The question is whether he can perform regularly and consistently for United to the very high standard that is expected of every player who pulls on the shirt.

He is cleary a talented footballer, and I'm not saying otherwise. But its not only a question of talent - for me it takes a special sort of player to be able to handle the pressure and expectation at United and to be able to thrive. Some players may be very good footballers and have very good careers elsewhere, doesnt mean they will be stars at United.

Players have come in before and promised a lot, but have failed to deliver or reach expectation long term, so forgive me if I dont christen him the next United superstar after a handful of games, especially when the team in general is in such fine form and is yet to hit a rough patch.

In any event I personally don't think it benefits the player to heap even more pressure on them by labelling them. He needs time to develop and will hopefully get that without fans calling him a genius one minute then jumping on his back when he has a bad run of form.
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I don't think anyone is christening him a "superstar" or "Cantona with pace" or whatever nonsense was being flung around in response to people saying they feel vindicated over arguing last season that he had a future at United, when others held out almost no hope for him.

Nobody is hailing him as a genius, just a talented young footballer who's looking like he has a real future at the club. Something a lot of nay-sayers would have denied this time last year.
 
Well, I was saying that he has a just about perfect build for playing football, and he has the ability to pull off anything you could want. It's just a matter of how consistent he can become, because he has so much in his locker.

You can never tell of course, but he seems like as good a choice as anyone for 20 years old strikers to come good.

But I suppose the odds of any top 20-year-old talent going on to be a superstar are probably well less that 50%.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I don't think anyone is christening him a "superstar" or "Cantona with pace" or whatever nonsense was being flung around in response to people saying they feel vindicated over arguing last season that he had a future at United, when others held out almost no hope for him.

Nobody is hailing him as a genius, just a talented young footballer who's looking like he has a real future at the club. Something a lot of nay-sayers would have denied this time last year.
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Well I personally think some of it is a bit over the top but its a matter of opinion.

I was simply pointing out that he still has a lot to prove in response to your previous post.
 
If he continues to play like that, I can see him keeping Hernandez or any other striker bar Rooney out of the team
 
His inconsistent play during a game can be due to eagerness when before he receives the ball he's already eager to do something which affects your concentration and control. Only after scoring did he settle down and play better. I saw it in Hernandez last year at the start it seemed his first touch was a bit inconsistent and it was only after about 10 games and scoring regularly did he settle in and relax. Welbeck knows there is competition and so needs to contribute in each game. As he develops and gains experience he will be more consistent.

its a rare breed indeed players who are consistent from an early age.
 
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He returns to training next week.

EDIT : Nevermind, I should read the thread first instead of getting excited and posting.
 
"Danny Welbeck's back training now," declared the boss. "He could maybe be ready for the following week [away to Stoke]."
 
Eugenius said:
Erm this is the same SAF who openly admits to playing taller players against teams with aerial threat. Clearly I meant height in a defensive capacity rather than an attacking one.
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Yeah, clearly. Welbeck adds tons of strength to our defence.
 
I think he's talking about set pieces, and Sir Alex has talked about bringing extra height in for set pieces against various teams (Stoke included) and used it as a reason for having Berbatov in there. Berbatov's started 5 of the last 6 games against them, I'm sure height was something of a factor.
 
Welbeck ready to return

Danny Welbeck has revealed he is feeling fit again after returning to training and is ready to make a comeback when called upon by Sir Alex.

The striker started the season in superb form but pulled up with a hamstring problem after scoring in the win against Arsenal at Old Trafford. After making a speedy recovery, the exciting England international is delighted to be pushing for selection again.

"I trained late last week and had a little rest on Sunday before coming back in again on Monday," he told ManUtd.com. "I'm feeling good.

"I don't know the squad yet for Leeds but, if I'm called upon, I'm always prepared to be there as I feel ready. I wouldn't be training if I wasn't."

The trip to Elland Road promises to be a great occasion and Welbeck is looking forward to the match with a great sense of anticipation as he hopes to see other Academy graduates involved.

"These games mean so much to the club and I think bringing the youth through for these matches is always a big positive," he explained. "I hope quite a few of them get a chance to show what they can do. There's a lot of talent at Manchester United and I'm sure, if they get a chance, they'll showcase that talent."
 
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