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Really should of started ahead of Hernandez today, to come on and get a goal regardless though will do wonders for him. Has to start and Anfield, he's in better goal scoring form and he's better at pressing the opposition defence also.
 
Anyone else think it could be Welbeck that plays in Rooney's position 'in the hole' for England in the Euros and leading up to it?

I'd rather see England play a 5 man midfield with Welbeck up front than play Bent and Welbeck, but i wouldn't mind it. I just think England are more likely to do well playing for a 1-0 than anything else.
 
gooDevil said:
Anyone else think it could be Welbeck that plays in Rooney's position 'in the hole' for England in the Euros and leading up to it?

I'd rather see England play a 5 man midfield with Welbeck up front than play Bent and Welbeck, but i wouldn't mind it. I just think England are more likely to do well playing for a 1-0 than anything else.
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I'd like to see a 4-3-3 with Welbeck in the center and Sturridge and Young on either side of him. I'm not sure who I'd have in midfield, probably Cleverley, Parker, and Wilshere. That will never happen though.
 
gza the genius said:
I'd like to see a 4-3-3 with Welbeck in the center and Sturridge and Young on either side of him. I'm not sure who I'd have in midfield, probably Cleverley, Parker, and Wilshere. That will never happen though.
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Sounds like a young, exciting team with skill and pace.

You're right, it won't happen.
 
gza the genius said:
I'd like to see a 4-3-3 with Welbeck in the center and Sturridge and Young on either side of him. I'm not sure who I'd have in midfield, probably Cleverley, Parker, and Wilshere. That will never happen though.
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I like it, whether you call that 451 or 433 doesn't matter to me, Young and Sturridge will defend, and those two with Welbeck should nick a goal most games.

Especially if a fit Wilshere is there. I'm excited to see Cleverley for England too, but I'm trying to keep my optimism in check, if he can kick on he could be great in that formation too.
 
Superb work-rate from Danny today, he looked much livelier when Hernandez and Rooney came on. I think he perhaps lacks the nous at the moment to be the lone man but to be fair to him he hardly had the ball played into feet and Young was the only guy linking up with him. It's very refreshing though to see a player couple great ability with great work-rate, this boy will go very far.
 
Not a classic performance but I thought he looked threatening whenever he got the ball. He just didn't get it nearly enough.

Work rate was terrific though. and he played a part in the goal.
 
I can see him playing in that role a lot given his mobility and skill to hold on to the ball. But yes, he needs more support than that today.
 
Did very well for the goal. Had no support nor any service but yet was quite good.
 
Did as much as he could do, really. Great header for the goal.
 
Really has a lot of potential. At only 20/21 years old he could be a special player if he continues to progress. His playing style and physique are very rare, maybe fairly similar to Adebayor but with a good workrate.
 
He did really well today considering he had absolutely zero support!
 
Missed Rooney, those two really seem to understand each other.

If we were going to play 1 up and try to get a sucker punch goal, then Hernandez is the striker for me. But I thought he did well, could have scored with his header over the bar around the middle of the match.
 
Playing as a lone front man is difficult for the most seasoned strikers so it was a good experience for danny today to play that role in whats always a very difficult fixture, must also have been a massive boost to his confidence to see SAF hand him the start ahead of last years first choice front pairing for whatever the reasoning

i thought he did well and always offered an option despite being quite isolated at times. did especially well in the air i thought and his flick made the goal

his progress continues to be a joy to watch
 
Manchester United's Sir Alex Ferguson: 'Danny Welbeck is as good as any English striker' - Goal.com

The United boss agreed with Fabio Capello’s selection, telling the club's official website: "I think he's ready for England.

"He's got a talent as good as anyone in the English game for the forwards and I think he's almost certain to get his chance now.

“I don't think there's any doubt about that. He has great belief in himself, the boy. He's a confident lad and intelligent. I think he's ready and I don't think there's any doubt."

The forward spent much of last season on loan at Sunderland, but won a place in the United line-up on his return to Old Trafford.

So far this season the striker has scored five goals in nine appearances, and started alone up front for the Red Devils against Liverpool on Saturday.

"Danny was a kid here and was always an outstanding talent," Ferguson continued.

"We had to be patient with his physical part because he grew very tall very quickly and became gangly and weak.

"He suffered quite a few injuries in his knees simply because of his growth but, if you see him now, he's a massive boy, a big powerful lad and, physically, he's fine."
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Quite a complement, comparing him to Rooney! But I have to agree, this young man looks very, very special.
 
Give him two seasons with us and I think we are talking possible world class striker. Said it all along based solely on age and ability there really isn't much that he doesn't have in his game other than experiance and the nessesary bags of confidence to become a great, those will come with time.
 
We're not good in producing strikers aren't we? It's been more than 25 years since Sparky that we got another homegrown striker in our first team.
 
reelworld said:
We're not good in producing strikers aren't we? It's been more than 25 years since Sparky that we got another homegrown striker in our first team.
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It's not just that we aren't good at producing them, but that, we can't afford to let them grow with the team....

A midfielder can be carried, a defender can be carried, but hard to do the same to a player, who is judged on their end product ie GOALS.

We sold a striker now easily worth 25mil quid for 6(Rossi - while not completely a United product, but he was here at the critical stage of his development), because there were so many established players in front of him...our success has been our biggest hurdle when it comes to our youth making the jump up.
 
Neutral said:
It's not just that we aren't good at producing them, but that, we can't afford to let them grow with the team....

A midfielder can be carried, a defender can be carried, but hard to do the same to a player, who is judged on their end product ie GOALS.

We sold a striker now easily worth 25mil quid for 6(Rossi - while not completely a United product, but he was here at the critical stage of his development), because there were so many established players in front of him...our success has been our biggest hurdle when it comes to our youth making the jump up.
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If they're good enough, they'll make it. This season already, Welbeck's beat out Berbatov, Hernandez and Owen to get starts and they're all 'established'.
 
Neutral said:
It's not just that we aren't good at producing them, but that, we can't afford to let them grow with the team....

A midfielder can be carried, a defender can be carried, but hard to do the same to a player, who is judged on their end product ie GOALS.

We sold a striker now easily worth 25mil quid for 6(Rossi - while not completely a United product, but he was here at the critical stage of his development), because there were so many established players in front of him...our success has been our biggest hurdle when it comes to our youth making the jump up.
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think the case with Rossi was he wanted first team football and not willing to wait when SAF was ready to give him that. The loan move to Newcastle also turned out to be frustrating for him...and United.

You cannot force Fergie's hand. You just need to work hard and wait for him to call you.

Fergie looks at attitude too.
 
fecking class act. Did great on his own against Liverpool, he just has that Henry-esque languidness and technique.
 
The physique of a target man, the vision of a support striker, and the pace of a wing forward. He can link up play with his back to goal or play quick one-two's in tight spaces. His range of passing and his nous for goal is excellent.

Plus he's well-spoken and seems an honest lad off the pitch.

Welbeck is the genuine article.

It is amazing to think how much he has grown as a player just in the past couple seasons. If he has any more growth in him, then the world better watch out.
 
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The physique of a target man, the vision of a support striker, and the pace of a wing forward. He can link up play with his back to goal or play quick one-two's in tight spaces. His range of passing and his nous for goal is excellent.

Plus he's well-spoken and seems an honest lad off the pitch.

Welbeck is the genuine article.

It is amazing to think how much he has grown as a player just in the past couple seasons. If he has any more growth in him, then the world better watch out.
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well considering the fact that he's 20 years old, I'd say the sky's the limit the for him right now. Even though he will susceptible to drops in form on occasion and inconsistent performances, I'm quite confident that this boy will shine. It makes it even better that this boy is a local lad. I'm not from manchester but it's something that's refreshing to see especially since Welbeck has the been the only homegrown striker to come through since Hughesy, I believe (correct me if I'm wrong). Quite astonishing and it's not just that he's come through, he's doing very well too. More to come from this lad. Can't wait to see him progress here.
 
A few local United forwards did pretty ok for a while. I remember Mark Robins from 1990-1992-ish before he moved on to Norwich City.
 
Oh and I remember Shaun Goater, trained with United together with Lee Sharpe before he got shipped out and later carved out a decent career with Citeh.
 
With 21 nationalities at the ready there is only one local hero in Manchester

By JOE BERNSTEIN
Last updated at 11:20 PM on 22nd October 2011

The rising star of English football was just five years old when he begged an older boy who lived over the road to let him play in the games of street football that regularly took place outside their homes.
Danny Welbeck has not forgotten the part Wes Brown, then a 16-year-old Manchester United trainee, played in his football education. And Brown has not forgotten the instant impression the younger boy made.
'We didn't encourage it at first - we thought Danny could get hurt,' recalls Brown, who knew the rough nature of even the friendliest kickabout in inner-city Manchester.
'But the concern didn't last long, to be honest. Once Danny got started, you could see he was decent. He had the skills and he could look after himself.'

On Sunday, those skills learned on the streets will see Welbeck step out at Old Trafford as the only born-and-bred local in the biggest Manchester derby for nearly 40 years - and no player among the 21 different nationalities on show will be treated with greater affection by United manager Sir Alex Ferguson, who has finally achieved his long-time ambition of discovering a great Mancunian striker for United.
Such was Ferguson's belief in Welbeck that he kept faith in the striker even when growth spurts left him weak, gangly and injury-prone. Five goals this season and a likely place in England's Euro 2012 squad show Ferguson's long-term instincts were right, particularly as the 6ft 3in hit man was picked ahead of Wayne Rooney for last weekend's game against Liverpool at Anfield.
'Welbeck always had great ability, but he made slow progress until he went to Sunderland on loan last season. That is when he grew up, became a man,' said Ferguson.
'He had knee problems growing up but we were always willing to wait for him. He's different, rangy and long-legged. Once he gets going, he gallops quickly. He has a great future.'

It is a sentiment echoed in FA quarters, too. 'United deserve great credit. They are one of the best clubs at sticking with players like Danny when they're still physically maturing,' says head of elite development Gareth Southgate. 'And they have coupled that original patience with in-house training and successful loan periods to get to the point they are now.'
It all started for Welbeck at Markfield Avenue, a narrow, winding road of terraces and semis in the Manchester inner-city district of Longsight, an area most drive past in a hurry as they take the A6 south from the city centre towards Stockport. Its only remarkable feature is the ability to produce footballers.
At No 42, with a United-red front door, lived the Browns. Wes, now at Sunderland, played for England as a teenager and won the Champions League with United. Youngest brother Reece is currently on United's books while another sibling, Clive, still lives on the road and plays non- League football for New Mills.
On the opposite side of the street (until their house was demolished to make way for a new playground area) were the Welbecks. Victor and Elizabeth had emigrated from Ghana and passed down Christian values to their three sons, Wayne (who plays for non- League Flixton), Christopher and football-daft Danny.

'It was always the Browns and the Welbecks playing football in the streets. Wes joined in when he could,' recalls Clive Brown. 'It was a great set-up. We had two walls either side of the road as goals, and the ball hitting the kerb helped develop your control. Danny loved it all, even though he was the youngest; all he wanted to be was a striker.'
Welbeck had started training with United at the age of eight. By 12, he had moved to Trinity High secondary school but with a football career mapped out in his head, there was no danger of him going off the rails in his teenage years. Head teacher David Ainsworth said: 'Danny was a quiet, polite boy. I never remember him getting into any type of trouble.
'He got 12 GCSEs and if he'd wanted to push himself academically, he would have been university material.
'He was modest about his football, too. I remember one lady PE teacher coming to me spitting feathers on one occasion, complaining that Danny was refusing to sprint 200metres in a Games lesson.

'I asked Danny why he'd refused and he said he was playing Arsenal in the FA Youth Cup semi-final that night. He just hadn't like to talk about it in front of the class. 'A few of us went to watch him at Old Trafford for the game and he scored the winning goal. He came into school the next day as usual and never mentioned it. I said something in assembly just so he'd get a round of applause because we were proud of him.
'He wouldn't milk it at all. I once went over with a ball and asked him to show me a few tricks, but he just shook his head very politely.'
By the end of his time at Trinity, Welbeck would occasionally be away to play in overseas tournaments with United and England. But he still turned out for the school team when he could.
Coach Darren Westmoreland recalls a cup game against Manchester Academy. 'They equalised with two minutes to go and, from kick-off, Danny went up the other end and scored the winner within 20 seconds.
'His attitude was great. He was used to working with the top coaches at Manchester United but if I asked him to play a certain way for the good of our team, he'd listen and do it.

'We keep in touch. I recently asked him to sign a shirt for a friend of mine - he came into school to return it personally. When I looked at it, he'd got the whole United squad to sign it.'
For all Welbeck's skill, his progress between 14 and 18 was hampered by growth spurts that left him 'weak and gangly', according to Ferguson, and caused him injury problems.
He was just 14 when he made his England Under-16 debut, in a 4-0 win over a Wales team that included Aaron Ramsey. Manager Kenny Swain recalls: 'Danny wasn't easy on the eye, he was un-coordinated in his running style, but you could see he had great potential for the future.
'The only way I could describe it is that he seemed at one with the ball. He had this way of rolling his foot over it with his front two studs, it was something you'd see a Spanish player do, not an English one.
'After six or seven minutes of his debut, I just thought to myself, "Bloody hell, he'll do for me". Later, he went to the Under-17 World Cup and he and Victor Moses were the most potent strikeforce in the competition.'
At United, Welbeck made his debut at 17 but got fewer headlines than another teen sensation, Federico Macheda, who scored a goal against Aston Villa that famously helped United win the title.

Behind the scenes, however, Ferguson always expected Welbeck to emerge as the main man.
Successful loan spells at Preston and Sunderland have built confidence and this season he has established himself at Old Trafford. He was picked ahead of Wayne Rooney at Liverpool last weekend and most expect him to replace him again for the group games at Euro 2012.
The last word has to go to Brown, the neighbour who has known Welbeck all his life and also made the journey from Markfield Avenue to Manchester United, three miles in distance but a different planet in other respects.
'Danny has the size, the power and the strength. He has the skill and the technical ability. He has the willingness to learn. He has it all, actually,' says Brown.

Not the best news for City. Welcome to Manchester, Mr Mancini.


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