VorZakone
What would Kenny G do?
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I'm always amazed at how dirty politics can get. Mafia-esque stuff, but without the physical violence.
But this is a minister, charged with negotiating budgets, staff and engagement with other departments and private businesses, include those from abroad. That's diplomacy.No mate, you're thinking about diplomats, politicians are the representatives of the people and some of them are going to be a bit flawed and that's ok.
I'm not a fan of the tories at all, but I can at least emphaise with someone that pushes back a bit of abuse. I don't really get the desire for MPs to be saintly / turn the other cheek figures all the time. If you give it out, you can expect a bit back.
There is a massive power disparity between the two.Providing there was no coercision and both are consenting adults this is a completely puritanical outlook that gives women no responsibility for their own decision making. She's had an affair with him because she's attracted to the power and the strings he can pull for her. She's got upset when she realised she didn't get the payout she thought the affair granted her. She has no one to blame but herself
If it comes out there was coercion/force/bullying I would retract that. But as there hasn't it's simply 2 consenting adults and nothing to see. Also she wants to slut shame Borris but wants to hide behind anonymity. It's bordering revenge porn.
No mate, you're thinking about diplomats, politicians are the representatives of the people and some of them are going to be a bit flawed and that's ok.
I'm not a fan of the tories at all, but I can at least emphaise with someone that pushes back a bit of abuse. I don't really get the desire for MPs to be saintly / turn the other cheek figures all the time. If you give it out, you can expect a bit back.
No mate, you're thinking about diplomats, politicians are the representatives of the people and some of them are going to be a bit flawed and that's ok.
I'm not a fan of the tories at all, but I can at least emphaise with someone that pushes back a bit of abuse. I don't really get the desire for MPs to be saintly / turn the other cheek figures all the time. If you give it out, you can expect a bit back.
I saw the cnut is committed to the Rwanda policy. How the feck that idiot can go on about his poor immigrant family roots while wanting to feck over future refugees and migrants is a joke.Javids PM bid is quite the joke
Hes always been a cnut. He thinks he has to compensate for being asian so he tries to say anti immgrant things and takes weird stances. Proper dickhead.I saw the cnut is committed to the Rwanda policy. How the feck that idiot can go on about his poor immigrant family roots while wanting to feck over future refugees and migrants is a joke.
We had a government functioning to syphon money away from the tax payers into private companies before this, so we haven't lost anything!If it wasn't for the fact that we won't have a functioning Government until its resolved, the Tory leadership contest/debacle would be great fun.
Providing there was no coercision and both are consenting adults this is a completely puritanical outlook that gives women no responsibility for their own decision making. She's had an affair with him because she's attracted to the power and the strings he can pull for her. She's got upset when she realised she didn't get the payout she thought the affair granted her. She has no one to blame but herself
If it comes out there was coercion/force/bullying I would retract that. But as there hasn't it's simply 2 consenting adults and nothing to see. Also she wants to slut shame Borris but wants to hide behind anonymity. It's bordering revenge porn.
Who are your favourite Tories past and present? Surely got to be a few ok ones in there?
Im too young to remember him as PM but for a Tory I quite like John Major. He has regularly held this Tory government to account in recent years and is usually one of the first to call them out.
Who are your favourite Tories past and present? Surely got to be a few ok ones in there?
Im too young to remember him as PM but for a Tory I quite like John Major. He has regularly held this Tory government to account in recent years and is usually one of the first to call them out.
I see all the new candidates are preaching lower tax economics, when the feck will they learn. I'll stick with my 40+ % tax and enjoy better services thank you. What sort of cnuts live in the UK now?
Providing there was no coercision and both are consenting adults this is a completely puritanical outlook that gives women no responsibility for their own decision making. She's had an affair with him because she's attracted to the power and the strings he can pull for her. She's got upset when she realised she didn't get the payout she thought the affair granted her. She has no one to blame but herself
If it comes out there was coercion/force/bullying I would retract that. But as there hasn't it's simply 2 consenting adults and nothing to see. Also she wants to slut shame Borris but wants to hide behind anonymity. It's bordering revenge porn.
We had a government functioning to syphon money away from the tax payers into private companies before this, so we haven't lost anything!
John Major might be good at calling his party out now but he was a weak PM. And to be honest I can not really remember that much about him apart from his alleged affair with Edwina Curry. Rather him than me.
Pity he didn't hold his own Government to account... became depicted as the 'Grey man' PM (Spitting Image puppet)... still his premiership gave way to Tony Blair's 3 straight Labour wins, so maybe his popping up again is a good sign...for somebody!!
So it's like role-playing? I mean, if you're just gonna talk over the guest, it's not about competing arguments, it's about the catharsis of seeing someone you disagree with getting bullied by someone championing a cause you support.Was round my folks' this afternoon. We hadn't even started talking politics yet and completely out of the blue my dad goes "Have you been watching that Talk TV channel?". Oh gawd. "Its great, they just let anyone ring up to ask any question and they answer it."
I don't even know what Talk TV is at this point, but I can imagine. Of course its Rupert Murdoch's new right wing channel that Piers Morgan has run off to.
"They are completely un-bias" he says, while in almost the next breath going "They had that Michael Heseltine on trying to talk about why brexit was bad, but they wouldn't let him speak!" while chuckling happily...
Apparently he heard about it at his bridge club, where people (all 70+) were saying they were addicted to it, now he's obsessed with it as well.
Indeed and the likes of the Sun are saying they're all 'vowing to cut crippling taxes'.I haven't seen a single news outlet challenge them on the implications of their lower taxes. We already have health and education hanging by a thread in many cases.
I was too young to have any memory or recollection of his time in power. I just feel when he has spoken up in recent years he seems a bit more balanced and palatable.
What Tory’s would you both say are more palatable?
Who are your favourite Tories past and present? Surely got to be a few ok ones in there?
John Major might be good at calling his party out now but he was a weak PM. And to be honest I can not really remember that much about him apart from his alleged affair with Edwina Curry. Rather him than me.
I was too young to remember Major's time as PM. From what I gather the Tories were basically finished after Black Wednesday in September 1992 and putting VAT on fuel at the next budget, with Labour opening up consistent 20 point leads in the polls.
It does seem to me though that the Major-Clarke-Heseltine led administration in the mid 90s, was still far better / nowhere near as bad than / as the Cameron-Osborne-Clegg led one from 2010 onwards with excessive austerity galore.
Re the leadership, how many people had actually heard of Rehman Chishti before? Surely he's standing to ruin the chances of candidates that he doesn't like.
I'd have said Ken Clarke was a decent Tory, but I remember saying that to my local Labour MP, in a brief doorstep chat, and he said he couldn't forgive him for helping to disassemble the NHS back in the day.I was too young to remember Major's time as PM. From what I gather the Tories were basically finished after Black Wednesday in September 1992 and putting VAT on fuel at the next budget, with Labour opening up consistent 20 point leads in the polls.
It does seem to me though that the Major-Clarke-Heseltine led administration in the mid 90s, was still far better / nowhere near as bad than / as the Cameron-Osborne-Clegg led one from 2010 onwards with excessive austerity galore.
Re the leadership, how many people had actually heard of Rehman Chishti before? Surely he's standing to ruin the chances of candidates that he doesn't like.
Margaret Thatcher from April 2013 to present.Who are your favourite Tories past and present?
On the Andrea Jenkyns thing, I really can't get with all the pearl clutching going on, there was a group of people shouting abuse, she gave them the finger. Too bad, if you dish it out, you're gonna get a little bit back.
He will end up in the cabinet o the eventual winner if he plays it correctly. That will be his intention.
I'd have said Ken Clarke was a decent Tory, but I remember saying that to my local Labour MP, in a brief doorstep chat, and he said he couldn't forgive him for helping to disassemble the NHS back in the day.
Maybe with the exception of the bolded, is this not the stance of pretty much every candidate running for Tory leadership?Reading that Osbourne strongly believes that we should be going into another austerity programme because it worked last time.
His view is that we should slash spending, especially on Defense.
We should cut corporation tax.
And move to a significantly smaller government.
Glad he is not an MP anymore.