Those 81 crosses in 90 minutes were laughable.
What Now For Moyes?
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Worst game I've ever seen us play.
Geez Sarni, that makes shocking reading when pulled together.
He proved to be a clueless, arrogant, faffer.
I don't remember him acting like that at Everton. Maybe it's because I wasn't paying much attention though. The quotes above are pure madness, imagine if the club kept him on for another season. 
It was like being locked in a cupboard and forced to smoke 10 cigars. You never want one again.
"Oh you like wing play? Lets see how you like them after you watch 81 shit crosses in a row get cleared by some conference standard defender! Now who likes wing play?"
My mate is a senior manager of a midlands factory part of a large international company and thought I was harsh saying I'd only employ Moyes as a shelf stacker because he's tall. He understands now.
I've Never saw a man so lacking in management skills as Moyes - nothing to do with football - just the fundamentals of awareness and the ability to lead.
I've Never saw a man so lacking in management skills as Moyes - nothing to do with football - just the fundamentals of awareness and the ability to lead.
It was also like being locked in a cupboard for a 2 weeks with Paddy Crerand talking to you constantly.
That's just crazy. Moyes was crap for us, but he's not THAT useless.
I reckon he'll do a good job for a club that's happy to stay in the EPL to roll in TV money, on a shoestring budget. A club like Newcastle for example.
Whether Moyes' ego would let him take a job with a "non-CL" club is another matter altogether.
If Ogden were to heed any sort of warning from the player it had to be one of the big names. Not to forget, for the story to "kill Moyes" then and there, it absolutely had to be a big name. In my opinion, it was one of RVP, Rio or Vida. Vida has always come across avoiding questions about Moyes's reign when he was at United. Rio is outspoken and quite a big voice in the media these days. RVP is well... he's one of the superstars of the club. He too would have voiced dissent and he did so to LVG who has hinted it here and there.
It won't be the likes of Hernandez or Welbeck. The top officials couldn't care less for what they have to say as they don;t amount to much when it comes to fans and public image. RVP, Rio or Vida would have been huge.
You can see him taking over Newcastle and declaring them "one of the biggest clubs in the world".
I think it was Giggs who Ogden was referring to.
Oh wow yes... that's a lot more plausible. But, he did say player, Ogden. Though Giggs was player/coach, I'm not so sure.
""You need to have a football intelligence, a football brain to understand that, first of all,""
He really was incredibly smug.
For one reason or another Ogden didn't run with the story. Ogden said if he named the player, that would have been the end of Moyes.
Yes more likely Giggs. But I wouldn't be surprised if it was RVP. If your star striker who won you the league last season is unhappy, the club takes notice. But, Giggs makes more sense.
http://talkofthedevils.com/press-red-players-given-moyes-february/
This is where I got a sense Ogden was referring to Giggs.
Um yes... it was based on that article I reference "kill Moyes" in my earlier post. But yeah, Giggs makes sense.
He was incredibly smug during his time at United with little or no reason to justify being so, he must have thought he had made it and was untouchable.
@Sarni, the quotes above seem remarkably similar to Hodgson at Liverpool. Neutral fans kept annoyingly going on about how nice he was, "what a well mannered guy" and all that crap while he was actually a massive twat who would use any excuse he could get (e.g. A fan demonstration against Hicks and Gillett was an unnecessary distraction for him) to absolve him of blame.
Basically, if you're British you're a nice modest guy no matter what evidence there is to the contrary.
Basically, if you're British you're a nice modest guy no matter what evidence there is to the contrary.
Wee Jimmy could reveal all
Many are underrating the size of the United job and dismissing the fact Moyes spent 11 years in the hardest league in the world and did respectable with his team.
He'll easily get another job at a decent team but he's proved he can't cut it at a team which requires instant results and is under massive scrutiny because he's not got a big enough mentality to get past what the media and fans want.
He'll easily get another job at a decent team but he's proved he can't cut it at a team which requires instant results and is under massive scrutiny because he's not got a big enough mentality to get past what the media and fans want.
The lowest point during my time supporting the club and I honestly mean that. All hope in anything positive was lost after that game.
Funny thing is once United came from behind to lead 2-1, I was thinking the never say die spirit you had under ferguson is still around.
Just about every positive game/action we had came from sheer willpower of our players. I can't recall a game where I thought, "Moyes did something well tactically today."
Bad luck? No, wouldnt wish that on him.
But if it is true he was telling Rio and Vidic to look at videos of Jagelka to learn how to defend, and Rio brings out a book that ends any chance of him managing again, that isnt bad luck.
Its a consequence of his own stupidity.
I'm going tp keep out of this thread because it brings back memories I thought were hidden.
If only I could replace them with images of being molested by a pervy uncle, I could drown out the trauma.
If only I could replace them with images of being molested by a pervy uncle, I could drown out the trauma.
That Fulham game too was my lowest point in football....It felt like the scousers had maybe employed Moyes under cover to do a one man wrecking ball mission on the club....I was amazed that he wasn't sacked after that game....Unfortunately despite being a good honest man - he turned out to be more Steve Kean than Jock Stein
The worst game was Olympiacos. The team looked like they didn't try.
Inept is too kind a word to describe that game.
Inept is too kind a word to describe that game.
Given his achievements at Everton, he should be aiming higher than west ham. Problem is, these days a lot of the mid table premier league teams even seem to want to get it down and play more technical football, as compared to before. So maybe it's not a bad shout.
Don't forget this one. I still don't know what he actually meant here, I doubt he knows either! Like most of the time!
It was gently pointed out that his team were 21 points worse off than at this stage last season. "Well, I was at Everton so I wasn't 21 points worse off," he replied. "I was at Everton."
It was gently pointed out that his team were 21 points worse off than at this stage last season. "Well, I was at Everton so I wasn't 21 points worse off," he replied. "I was at Everton."
He was just being catty. I don't blame him for all the weirdness. I'm sure many of us wouldn't come across well under the weight of such immense doubt, self doubt and blame.
Don't see the problem myself. The team that was 21 points better off last season wasn't "his team" it was the team being managed by SAF. If anything, it's a compliment to Fergie and his genius at getting the most out of his squad, something that was proving beyond Moyes at the time. As with everything Moyes said last season it was exhaustively analysed chewed up, spat out and taken as yet more evidence he was an arrogant arsehole who didn't have a clue what he was doing (an opinion that was, at best, half correct)
I agree that those quotes could come across as being arrogant. But in Moyes' case, I truly believe that he's just clueless and not self-aware. Just a bit of an idiot. Arrogant is Mourinho.
This is what really turned me on Moyes. I initially gave him a free run as I thought he might be able to step up regardless of his clear lack of credentials.
However, those quotes just demonstrate his sheer spinelessness and lack of personal accountability during his tenure. There's plenty more examples which just make me furious even now.
This is where I do think Ferguson should be held accountable a bit more. He knew the man. He should have had the wit to know Moyes didn't have the balls for it.
It was a worse game in the sense it required strong tactical preparation (as CL knock outs do) and yeah we looked clueless.
I agree with those saying Fulham was a low point though, that game had a sense of desperation about it. I remember getting back in from a really nice weekend away with my fiancée and hoping to finish the weekend on a high, and I was just mesmerized by the mediocrity of our plan.
I also remember exchanging a few messages with @Melvyn after the game where the Hull lad told me it had been a low point for him too.
I don't think I've ever exchanged messages about games on here before or after! Though I think I'm going to start sending Eboue some when Arsenal play shit.It's funny now though. During last season, the Liverpool fans continually spouted the 'David Moyes is the Manchester United manager' with big grins on their faces.
Now the same type of statement 'David Moyes is NOT the Manchester United manager' brings a silly grin to my face too, even now. The day he was sacked was fantastic, best day of the year for me still. No shame in saying that.
Clueless tosser.
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Now the same type of statement 'David Moyes is NOT the Manchester United manager' brings a silly grin to my face too, even now. The day he was sacked was fantastic, best day of the year for me still. No shame in saying that.
Clueless tosser.
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I half wonder if Fergie was certain the transition would be equivalent to a "United for Dummies" book. Doesn't say much for Moyes and as much as I gave him my full support while he was in charge there is no escaping hindsight, he was cack...why he was may be debateable.
100% Agreed. Couldn't believe wtf I was watching. All those crosses felt like watching Groundhog Day.