What Now For Moyes?

duffer said:
When he does get another job and they play United, what sort of reception will he get from the homes fans at Old Trafford?
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Hopefully one that doesn't acknowledge him. I wouldn't abuse him because he couldn't do anything about being average, and I wouldn't applaud him because he's caused a lot of damage.

Lynk said:
He's a nice man who was out of depth, but also had little to no support from the owners and Woodward.
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He let down the owners. It's possible that he was let down by Woodward, but with the talk of his transfer targets being the likes of bale and Ronaldo last summer, I'm not so sure.
 
It means little because I do not know him, but I still fail to recognise any hint of outward niceness about the man. I read it a lot, yet every single thing about him leaves me cold, something which has been rumoured amongst people that have genuinely known him, both at Everton and United. What is so 'nice' about him? I say it fairly often but he just strikes me as a self-delusional wanker.
 
A line of cooking sauces marketed under the banner "mid table"?
 
Moyes is in the last chance saloon and personally I think he'll fail again ending up as co commentator for Al Jazeera talking about camel shit on arab football pitches. His recent interview shows no road to damascus revelation, apparently it's not himself or his methods it was just not having enough time. The idea he failed in the transfer market bombed out a winning backroom for his gang of losers took the champions to early cup exits and shamed in the league all within a year takes mis-management to new levels.

I said it a million times on Everton forums he had the most unique job in football at Goodison, world class wages under a chairman happy to exist in the Prem and a docile fanbase who turn up no matter what shite is dished up. No where in christendom was so little pressure applied to what is still regarded as a big job.

Wasn't going to be allowed at places like OT. The man is bog ordinary a deluded wannabe at elite level.
 
entropy said:
Oh feck off Rene, we have enough on our hands to have to deal with your whining. Grow a pair and get back to coaching first teams. Stop leeching off of united for media attention.
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Did you hear him on the radio this morning? I thought not...

He was asked a direct question about why he didn't stay at United, because Moyes said he wanted him to stay. Basically, Moyes said you can stay but I'm going to do everything you currently do myself. Not surprisingly he declined the offer.
 
Colin129 said:
Did you hear him on the radio this morning? I thought not...

He was asked a direct question about why he didn't stay at United, because Moyes said he wanted him to stay. Basically, Moyes said you can stay but I'm going to do everything you currently do myself. Not surprisingly he declined the offer.
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The role whether or not to keep a former first team coach should never have been subjected to so much debate amongst fans. He is a first team coach mate, why does he need to mouth off so much in the media? Why does Mick Phelan or Queiroz not do the same? If the new manager is young and prefers a more hands on role, he should understand and move on instead of unnecessarily casting him in a negative light.He talks too much for a first team coach anyways.
 
entropy said:
The role whether or not to keep a former first team coach should never have been subjected to so much debate amongst fans. He is a first team coach mate, why does he need to mouth off so much in the media? Why does Mick Phelan or Queiroz not do the same? If the new manager is young and prefers a more hands on role, he should understand and move on instead of unnecessarily casting him in a negative light.He talks too much for a first team coach anyways.
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I ask again, did you hear the interview this morning?

He was asked a question in such a way that he was almost accused of abandoning United when he was offered to opportunity to stay, he merely explained that that was not the case, that his role would be pretty much disappearing, all taken over by Moyes. If you were in a job that you had been successful in over a period & someone new came in and told you that they would be basically doing everything that you are currently doing, wouldn't you be looking for a new job? In his case, he has enough money that he can leave and look for alternative employment. Normal people, like us, would look for another job.
 
With Mulensteens fresh comments......Moyes just comes across as an insecure fragile bloke who goes to all kinds of lengths to blame everyone else but himself for any mess he makes
 
Colin129 said:
I ask again, did you hear the interview this morning?

He was asked a question in such a way that he was almost accused of abandoning United when he was offered to opportunity to stay, he merely explained that that was not the case, that his role would be pretty much disappearing, all taken over by Moyes. If you were in a job that you had been successful in over a period & someone new came in and told you that they would be basically doing everything that you are currently doing, wouldn't you be looking for a new job? In his case, he has enough money that he can leave and look for alternative employment. Normal people, like us, would look for another job.
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Is it really that hard for you to understand the gist of what I am trying to say? He came out several times after Moyes appointment going on about his exit and his conversations with Moyes.Where exactly is the need for him to do that? Did any of the other more senior first team coaches make so many media appearances? Until Moyes decided to get rid of the current back room staff majority of the fans did not even know the background information about our coaches. I am not sure how you can make comparison with a normal day job but a first team coach's job requires you to maintain a degree of confidentiality with regards to conversations between the manager.
 
Ringo 07 said:
With Mulensteens fresh comments......Moyes just comes across as an insecure fragile bloke who goes to all kinds of lengths to blame everyone else but himself for any mess he makes
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It's all who to believe again really.

I remember when Mulensteen left United originally everyone was slating him for having these interviews for talking himself up. Now Moyes has been sacked it seems Mulensteen's word is gospel and Moyes is desperate for a job so doing a "propaganda" type thing in the press. I don't see anything wrong with what Moyes is doing myself, if I was sacked from a job I don't think I'd be going around bragging about it to people! Would do my best to make myself look better. In the article he seems to admit he made mistakes but wanted more time, he probably didn't deserve more time but it's a fair comment to make for himself.

I don't really see the problem with what he said to Mulensteen either, even if you believe the Talksport interview, seems like he was just being honest. Basically saying there's no point in staying but you can if you want and will try and find something, why lie to someone and then just feck them over later on? Not all managers are the same, Fergie needed him and Moyes didn't think he did, that's life unfortunately not everyone is the same.
 
Oggmonster said:
It's all who to believe again really.

I remember when Mulensteen left United originally everyone was slating him for having these interviews for talking himself up. Now Moyes has been sacked it seems Mulensteen's word is gospel and Moyes is desperate for a job so doing a "propaganda" type thing in the press. I don't see anything wrong with what Moyes is doing myself, if I was sacked from a job I don't think I'd be going around bragging about it to people! Would do my best to make myself look better. In the article he seems to admit he made mistakes but wanted more time, he probably didn't deserve more time but it's a fair comment to make for himself.

I don't really see the problem with what he said to Mulensteen either, even if you believe the Talksport interview, seems like he was just being honest. Basically saying there's no point in staying but you can if you want and will try and find something, why lie to someone and then just feck them over later on? Not all managers are the same, Fergie needed him and Moyes didn't think he did, that's life unfortunately not everyone is the same.
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I heard it live, it happened.
 
entropy said:
Is it really that hard for you to understand the gist of what I am trying to say? He came out several times after Moyes appointment going on about his exit and his conversations with Moyes.Where exactly is the need for him to do that? Did any of the other more senior first team coaches make so many media appearances? Until Moyes decided to get rid of the current back room staff majority of the fans did not even know the background information about our coaches. I am not sure how you can make comparison with a normal day job but a first team coach's job requires you to maintain a degree of confidentiality with regards to conversations between the manager.
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Maybe he was asked about his exit, that's why he explained about it.

Other than that he, as you put it, did maintain a degree of confidentiality for years with Fergie, we heard zilch. Moyes was a different matter though, he never worked for him.
 
Considering he's not only someone who can't bare to be out of work but also someone who has had a lot of offers since he left Old Trafford it'll be interesting to see how long he is unemployed....
 
If Pardew is binned, I think Moyes could do a great job at Newcastle. I don't think he's desperate for a job, I think he wants a decent sized club and I don't blame him.
 
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Rene couldn't possibly have continued in his old job, given Moyes' approach.

That particular part of the story seems clear as day to me - and there's no reason to blame anyone for that. Moyes' failure as such and his decision to bring in his own people are two separate issues. If you believe retaining Rene in his old function (and if you believe that would have gone down seamlessly) would have had a significant effect on our performances last season, then...yeah, I think you're a bit of an idiot, to be blunt.

And then there's the fact that most people who cry about Moyes letting Rene go, seemingly think Moyes is an utter idiot anyway. I have never seen anyone claim that Moyes had a decent shot of making it here...but that he blew it when he failed to retain the services of Rene*

Short version: It doesn't feckin' matter one way or the other.

* That is, I've never seen this been put forth as an actual explanation for his failure. Most people who bring it up, do so in the form of general whining about Moyes' allround shiteness.
 
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BigDunc9 said:
A couple more displays like Saturday from United and his stock will be going back up.
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Hehe - yeah.

As a so-called Moyes apologist I guess I should hope for a string of horrible performances from us. After all, us Moyes apologists care far less about United than about our grand hero's reputation.
 
Red Defence said:
Maybe he was asked about his exit, that's why he explained about it.

Other than that he, as you put it, did maintain a degree of confidentiality for years with Fergie, we heard zilch. Moyes was a different matter though, he never worked for him.
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Great line of defense that is,I no longer work at united but I will still squeeze every ounce of publicity I can get in order to line up my next gig. Worked great for him so far!
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Hehe - yeah.

As a so-called Moyes apologist I guess I should hope for a string of horrible performances from us. After all, us Moyes apologists care far less about United than about our grand hero's reputation.
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Not sure what you are talking about but, I'm pretty sure he didn't mean it in a dig at anyone in any way, shape or form
 
I'm sure others have heard/read, but I was listening to TalkSport and they interviewed Mulentenseen (spelling?) - who stated that Moyes wanted him to stay, but didn't have a specific job for him as yet as Moyes wanted to 'run everything (training) himself.'
 
.Rossi said:
Not sure what you are talking about but, I'm pretty sure he didn't mean it in a dig at anyone in any way, shape or form
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I know he didn't. Big Dunc is a gent. It was a general remark - of sorts - on my part.
 
cesc's_mullet said:
I'm sure others have heard/read, but I was listening to TalkSport and they interviewed Mulentenseen (spelling?) - who stated that Moyes wanted him to stay, but didn't have a specific job for him as yet as Moyes wanted to 'run everything (training) himself.'
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Was discussed above, end of last page & top of this.
 

God I'm so glad he's not our manager anymore. Leon Osman? He even makes the ice bucket challenge boring.
 
Morpheus 7 said:

God I'm so glad he's not our manager anymore. Leon Osman? He even makes the ice bucket challenge boring.
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Imagine that, making something as thrilling as the ice bucket challenge boring.
 
Thank God this is a video where Moyes is mentioning Leon Osman for the Ice Bucket challenge and not mentioning Leon Osman as our only major summer signing which would have been the case had we given him another season

Seems to be a decent enough guy man despite being as tactically dour dithering and negative as a football manager can get
 
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Morpheus 7 said:

God I'm so glad he's not our manager anymore. Leon Osman? He even makes the ice bucket challenge boring.
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He nominated Leon Osman! I always believed that he was in Moyes thoughts.
 
Ringo 07 said:
But in fairness to Moyes....he is a class act as a man despite being as tactically negative as a football manager can get
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This is why I like Moyes. Yes he's a dinosaur tactically, but he was thrust into the situation by SAF, got mocked by many as doing a well job in ruining United. Like Liverpool fans would say "Football genius" when we were doing bad.

Sky1981 said:
People call him nice, hard working etc.

What do they based this on?
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The hard working this is based on what he's done. RvP said he was sad because when you see someone working so hard fail, it hurts. This was in an interview with Clare Balding of BT Sport. http://sport.bt.com/video-013638144...495001&videotitle=RVP: I feel sorry for Moyes

I spoke to a youth player Moyes signed at Everton from abroad and he's said he's a nice, hard working person. Proper dedicated, supportive to the cause.
 
Midnight1811 said:
This is why I like Moyes. Yes he's a dinosaur tactically, but he was thrust into the situation by SAF, got mocked by many as doing a well job in ruining United. Like Liverpool fans would say "Football genius" when we were doing bad.



The hard working this is based on what he's done. RvP said he was sad because when you see someone working so hard fail, it hurts. This was in an interview with Clare Balding of BT Sport. http://sport.bt.com/video-01363814401986?videoid=3549336495001&videotitle=RVP: I feel sorry for Moyes

I spoke to a youth player Moyes signed at Everton from abroad and he's said he's a nice, hard working person. Proper dedicated, supportive to the cause.
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All managers are hardworking, nobody can get that kind of success in top level football without being hardworking.

Nice? I think most managers will be nice to their player, it goes with the job


In a way, i think hardworking is not a plus, it's just by default the trait of successful person
 
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