with all due respect,conte has won things in a league where juventus is by far the largest fish in a pond which is becoming smaller and smaller. There is no team in serie having same resources as juventus - and with resources i mean it in the bigger context of the word
Who would you have as our new manager
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The good part in Bielsa's case is that he doesn't give a shit about media. His only communication with media is on press conferences when he let them ask as many questions as they want (they can last 3-4 hours) but other then that he doesn't hear, or talk with them.
I think that experience in general, and especially experience in EPL are very overrated. Mourinho came from Portugal and immediately won two leagues in a row, Wenger went from Japan, Pellegrini from Spain, Benitez too. Mancini from Italy. All of them had zero experience in EPL and all of them did from well to exceptional.
Well yeah, if you are experienced is better, not neccesarily because of the experience, but because you know how good is that manager. Ole may be a gamble because franly speaking, is still an unknown how good he is. The others are very good managers, who play a very good style of football. Which to me is the most important thing. If the manager has the vision and tactical knowledge to play a good brand of football, then if he has a good team and some money, the results and titles will come.
I think that Vilanova did great in Barca. Battling cancer which means that he missed a few months, but still they broke their record points in La Liga (and equalled the total record points of Madrid). UCL was a failure (more the result rather than their elemination in semi from the best team in the world) but La Liga was class.
In hindsight yes. If you look at the time when COnte took over though, they had just finished seventh in the league and Milan had a good team. In fact, it was a Milan reject which was the catalizator of their success. And then some brilliant signing for only a few money (Vidal who cost less than 10m, Pogba free, Barzagli free etc). It is easy to say now that they have more money than others (which wasn't the case anyway, both Milan clubs had higher revenues by the time he took over) but it was his vision that lead them to success. Barzagli, Pogba, Bonucci, Llorente, Vidal, Pirlo and Tevez cost combined less than Fellaini. So, money had nothing to do with their success.
The whole 'Klopp with no signings' debate is interesting, and I think I'd probably take him even if it meant no signings.
The question then is how would he utilise our current squad? I'd imagine it would probably look like this:
----------------Carrick-------
---------Fellaini-----------------
---Mata----Kagawa-----Nani
------------Rooney----------
The question then is how would he utilise our current squad? I'd imagine it would probably look like this:
----------------Carrick-------
---------Fellaini-----------------
---Mata----Kagawa-----Nani
------------Rooney----------
If I was Jurgen Klopp I would find it incredibly difficult to turn down the chance to manage the biggest club in the biggest league in the world. Particularly considering he'll get a blank cheque to overhaul the squad, and to be perfectly frank, after this season the only way is up. It's gone from being a poisoned chalice to being the best job in football. He'd have money, total control, be at one of the biggest and most historic clubs in the world, and provided you aren't totally incompetent, job security. It's an ideal job, and the idea that not only would he turn it down but he wouldn't even consider it is getting extremely tedious, especially considering how far Dortmund are behind Bayern and the fact he keeps losing his best players. Make no mistake, if Manchester United went calling for Klopp at the very least he'd have a tough decision to make. All this is irrelevant though, last time I checked we still had a manager.
Has anyone mentioned Alex McLeish already? Won the League Cup with Birmingham, won a couple league titles with Rangers who were always hard to beat domestically and in Europe plus he's Scottish. Could be a good shout, no?
There is 0 chance that Klopp would play Fellaini in 'creative midfielder' position. Klopp plays with a high tempo and players do a lot of passes. Fellaini can't do any of it. I think that he would be the first one to shown the door. Even Carrick IMO wouldn't be suited to his way of play, but without signings I guess that he would play.
Swap Fellaini with Cleverley and Rooney with RVP.
Fair point. I was initially going to put Cleverley there actually.
Why RVP over Rooney though? Do you see him as a more faithful adaptation of Lewandowski?
That's actually an excellent team.
On the other hand when I think of it, if we got Alex McLeish instead we'd have money to spend. We could sell some players and build something like this which would suit his football:
Lindegaard
Smalling Evans Jones Traore
Valencia Fellaini Tiote Young
Rooney
Carroll
Isn't it better to get a cheaper manager who could get us results? He's available too.
Lindegaard
Smalling Evans Jones Traore
Valencia Fellaini Tiote Young
Rooney
Carroll
Isn't it better to get a cheaper manager who could get us results? He's available too.
Technically a far better player IMO, and a better finisher. Also, when Rooney isn't playing well, he is terrible.
I think that Klopp would go for a more technicaly good team, and in that case I guess that RVP-Kagawa-Mata would be definite starters with the fourth position having several players figting for it (Nani, Adnan and Welbeck). I cannot see a system when both RVP and Rooney would play under Klopp, so if he comes I guess that he has to make a tough choice. One of them has to go. However, with Rooney now owning half of shares at United, it might be that RVP has to go (mainly because I doubt there will be many clubs who would pay 25-20m for Rooney and 300k/week for the next 5 years, also with the new contract, I doubt that Rooney would be eager to leave).
I'd be inclined to agree with RVP being the better player technically, but I opted for Rooney because as you say - we've given him that £20billion contract so we have to at least justify his inclusion.
Personally, if Klopp was allowed to make one or two signings then I think we'd be good enough again to challenge on all fronts.
----------------De Gea---------------
-Rafael--Smalling---Jones---New LB
----------------------Carrick--------------
------------Gundogan----------------------
---Mata--------Kagawa---------Nani
---------------Rooney/RVP---------------
Klopp would make us a very formidable force with that team IMO.
I want Marcelo Bielsa. I've thought about it, for at least 10 minutes now, and after having Moyes for less than a season, with his zero personality, zero charisma, his lack of anything remarkable or interesting whatsoever, I want us to go for the exact polar opposite. A completely unhinged lunatic with character and passion. He's not quite Paolo Di Canio. He's not going to literally boot his own players up the arse, but he might get close to that. There'll be no "trying our best" or "making it difficult". feck the "byline". Bielsa won't be having any of that.
Win or lose, our football will be ace. Even when his Chile side failed to win, they were just outstanding to watch. Everyone attacks. Everyone defends. His approach has had mixed results in his career so far, but he'd at least get us operating as a team, and he'd make sure every player gives 100% every week, as they should be doing.
And he's a bit mental. I'm a big fan of mental, or at least I am right now, as I'm craving something more than the lacklustre and utterly uninspiring David Moyes.
Win or lose, our football will be ace. Even when his Chile side failed to win, they were just outstanding to watch. Everyone attacks. Everyone defends. His approach has had mixed results in his career so far, but he'd at least get us operating as a team, and he'd make sure every player gives 100% every week, as they should be doing.
And he's a bit mental. I'm a big fan of mental, or at least I am right now, as I'm craving something more than the lacklustre and utterly uninspiring David Moyes.
Bielsa is far too mental for me. Granted, I'd take him over Moyes but we also need some organisational discipline in our side instead of playing 3-5-2 every game and going kamikaze on every team we play regardless of whether its Barnet FC or Bayern Munich.
A fair point, but if Klopp has total freedom, I guess that he won't give a shit about it. He would play simply the better team. And who knows, probably Maureen would still be interested on Rooney.
I guess that he would sign an extra midfielder as cover/competition for Carrick. And probably a new defender.
Just imagine the ideal scenario:
De Gea
Rafael Hummels Evans Coentrao
Gundogan Herrera
Mata Kagawa Reus
RVP
Those 5 signings together wouldn't cost more than 70-80m (after we sell players like Rooney, Fellaini, Young, Valencia and Anderson) and the wage bill would be much lower (considering that Rio, Vidic, Evra and Giggs would leave too). Of course it won't happen, and even if Klopp comes I don't think that he would go for BVB players (unless they want to leave too and BVB is willing to sell them, which could mean only Gundogan) but just imagine that team for a minute. Anyway, you can replace Hummels and Reus with two other players and it would still be a cracking team, which would fight for both league (next season) and UCL (2015-2016).
Turning now to reality, the team most likely would look something like:
De Gea Evans Jones Baines
Fellaini Barkley
Valencia Mata Januzaj
Rooney
We wouldn't win anything (or maybe just something not that big like FA/Carling Cup or Europa League) with him, but we would be very exciting to watch, play a great football and the next manager (after 2-3 years) would had a team that is very good technically. Bielsa's teams are very organized, though a bit kamikaze (as you said). Still, it would be fun. I think that he is very similar to Van Gaal though even more extreme (and Van Gaal is very extreme to begin with).
Speaking of mental, you should go for Zdenek Zeman. You would have no trouble accommodating your attackers.
De Gea
Valencia - Evans - Jones - Evra
Mata - Fellaini - Kagawa
Rooney - RVP - Januzaj
i genuinely think he'll tire of being a feeder club to bayern soon. he cant compete there. It will be second every year then see a top player leave. offer him enough money, a good budget and hed'd take the opportunity with both hands.
I think Klopp is definitely gettable, just not this summer.
That's why I'd want us to bring Van Gaal in for a few years and then try for Klopp or even someone like Guardioloa and Simeone.
That's why I'd want us to bring Van Gaal in for a few years and then try for Klopp or even someone like Guardioloa and Simeone.
We wanted geniuses, but who are also a bit mental. Being just 'completely mental' isn't good enough.
You should have swapped more players positions to make the team look more Zeman.
Something like:
Goicoechea
Valencia Fellaini Jones Giggs
Rooney Mata Kagawa
RVP Cleverley Welbeck
Zeman 
JesusGod.
JesusGod.
I think Simeone would be a good choice. Klopp won't be available anytime soon and Simeone has done some great work with Atlético and seems like the kind of personality you need to be in order to manage a big club as ours.
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That's more like it. You would have lost with a lot more style. 5-4 against Olympiacos tonight.
That's more like it. You would have lost with a lot more style. 5-4 against Olympiacos tonight.
I'm much the same, but with Van Gaal. We might lose some wars, but we'd have some damn fine pyrrhic victories along the way.It looks like this summer's muppet meltdown will be over a new manager rather than a world class midfielder. It's going to be fun watching the reaction of the fans when Moyes starts Ashley Young and Valencia in the 1st game next season.
If I was Klopp I'd be bringing in Dortmund's full backs. I know everyone here loves Rafael and he can be a decent player but he's also a liability. Piszczek and Schmelzer are the perfect full backs in his system. Carrick would be getting replaced too. The front 4 would probably look something like that though and it's be fantastic to watch. I'm assuming people are including Nani because Klopp likes Kuba who's a fast winger? I don't know if Nani works hard enough for Klopp, that'd be an issue imo.
Back 3
The Caf as a collective are all about back 3's, aren't we? Jones in the Libero role. Wing backs. Phwoar.
Pace and technique, attributes central to Klopp's playstyle. I'd expect Nani and Januzaj to be rotated on that flank.
Also, I think people underrate how hard Nani works with his backtracking and defensive duties.
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Good post. I agree.
Didn't Sir Alex write McLeish a letter of recommendation to Villa, or something along those lines? We all joke, but he's dead serious on this Scottish shit. He looks after his own.
Schmelzer is shit. Piszczek is good but is 28 years old and would cost too much. I think that with Klopp as manager, Rafael would become a better player than Piszczek, last year they were close in their performances.
I've always thought Schmelzer was okay. Everyone in that Dortmund defence is capable of a brainfart sadly.
Fair point about giving Rafael a chance to work under Klopp.
McLeish was Ferguson's captain at Aberdeen, so the connection is a lot more than just country of birth.
Can Bielsa speak in English, I'd bet he would be too adamant to learn the language.
He, is the coach of all coaches, offers attacking football but too cocky to manage a big club. Maybe Moyes can hire him as his personal trainer, and try to grasp few things about football
I think the main issue is that Moyes is surrounded by people with so little experience and so much at stake that they can't give him an ultimatum and tell him he has to change.
Giggs/Neville won't tell Moyes that he is wrong, or that their ideas has to be seen through or anything really. They need this experience to be able to take their new careers as a manager higher.
Like P.Neville said himself "I am getting an experience money can't buy.".
Giggs/Neville won't tell Moyes that he is wrong, or that their ideas has to be seen through or anything really. They need this experience to be able to take their new careers as a manager higher.
Like P.Neville said himself "I am getting an experience money can't buy.".
As an aside, I had a quick look at the German league table to see where Dortmund were after this weekend - fek me, look at Bayern! I knew they were having an untouchable season, but I hadn't actually looked at the table recently. Hard to believe.
http://espnfc.com/tables/_/league/ger.1/german-bundesliga?cc=5739
http://espnfc.com/tables/_/league/ger.1/german-bundesliga?cc=5739
I really want to see Bielsa in the PL. He's mad as a box of frogs, his sides play almost suicidal attacking high pressing football and all in all he's just a really fun manager. It would be great. I just think he's too high risk for United so unfortunately there's no chance we'll get him.
But I'd love to see him go to Spurs or Newcastle or someone like that.
He'd probably make the whole squad learn Spanish, picking the team based on who learned their verbs and conversations.
Ah, didn't know that. Makes more sense in that case.
Spaletti is available now, his Roma side played wonderful football, granted we took them apart evenutally but still they played with real verve in that home leg, he even had the ball boys in on the tactics! if we're going for all out attack managers stick him on the list too