World Cup 2018 & 2022 bids

I have a very, very wealthy friend. We went to South Africa this year for the final. He just said no way he goes to Brazil or Qatar. (Crime - heat)

Maybe Russia but he's thinking no.

Really amazing choices.

Brazil will be known for the crime.

Russia will be known for the racism.

Qatar for the heat.

Well done.
 
rednev said:
Moscow's summers are warmer than England's. I agree that England has better stadia and facilities, but Russia's will be far from a concern, especially if they can implement the high speed rail network that is being talked about. I think you are underestimating their ability to host a good World Cup.

Although you are right in saying that racism is a big issue.
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They don't have great stadiums so they will have to build new ones for the World Cup, the rail network is again a pipe dream and how the racism can be ignored when the World Cup is supposed to about unity is beyond me, we didn't present a pipe dream we already have things in place and we are way more accessible than Russia, there just isn't any way they trump England or Spain/Portugal legitimately.
 
kietotheworld said:
Talksport are a disgrace...Adrian Durham is implicity accusing oil barons of bribing FIFA and saying Arshavin should be booed because he's happy to take Arsenal fans money every week, then he goes and does that to us.
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Talksport are a disgrace, yes, but the first part is pretty much right.

2nd part is classic Talksport, but I'd laugh if it happened!
 
To all the idiots talking about the cold Russian weather, have you missed that during last summer there were wildfires across almost the entire country due to the extensive heat?
 
ricardinho said:
By the way whenever China decides to make a bid its useless for any other country to run against them, its a given that they will win when they choose to make a bid(when the WC goes to ASia again of course).
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Qatar is in Asia.
 
Cal? said:
Russia just about makes sense (compared to S Africa anyway).

Qatar is the most stupid decison made by an organization famous for making stupid decisions.
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Why? Just because you and a bunch on English people fink its unfair does not make it wrong. Qatar is one of the fastest economies in the world, is cash rich and submitted and genuinely unique and futuristic vision of the what can be achieved. I think its a wonderful and brave decision.

I also think Russia is as good a choice as England, so patriotism aside, it feels like a good decision. Why should western Europe be the epicentre of football?
 
RedKaos said:
FFS you WILL be able to drink yourselves silly in Qatar, you'd be able to do most the things you expect to do in a world cup,.
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BS

The laws of Qatar tolerate alcohol to a certain extent. However, the few bars and nightclubs in Qatar operate only in expensive hotels and clubs, much Distribution Company, the only importer and retailer for alcohol in Qatar. Under Qatar's Sharia, it is illegal to show alcohol or be drunk in public.
 
TheBig_Sam

There's a Russian fella that works in our local library. He has a limp. Big Sam is gonna go kick the shit out of him.
 
What is the shortfall in Russia regarding hotel rooms as of now? White elephants aren't only stadia, although i suppose they could turn some of them into apartments for the local population.
 
This is madness, Russia and Qatar, basically 2018 will be held by racist organized crime and 2022 by extremists riding a financial bubble with no history/heritage whatsoever in Football.
 
AdZzUtd said:
Just what a poor nation needs a football stadium.

What a load of cock.
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this.

I thought England's strongest proposal was the whole united thing. actually changing lives of youths in parts of the world that need that sort of help. I guess if these new stadia from qatar are used as the national teams stadia then thats nice.

feck it i guess im going to rio in 2014. Cant see myself going to russia and surely not qatar.
 
sammsky1 said:
why? Just because you and a bunch on english people fink its unfair does not make it wrong. Qatar is one of the fastest economies in the world, is cash rich and submitted and genuinely unique and futuristic vision of the what can be achieved. I think its a wonderful and brave decision.

I also think russia is as good a choice as england, so patriotism aside, it feels like a good decision. Why should western europe be the epicentre of football?
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bingoooo
 
mjs020294 said:
BS

The laws of Qatar tolerate alcohol to a certain extent. However, the few bars and nightclubs in Qatar operate only in expensive hotels and clubs, much Distribution Company, the only importer and retailer for alcohol in Qatar. Under Qatar's Sharia, it is illegal to show alcohol or be drunk in public.
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Someone said they are making an exception for the time of the tournament?
 
sammsky1 said:
Its the right result for football to take the games most prestigious tournament to new frontiers. Delighted for Qatar and the Middle East who will present football in a totally new way and just as Brazil, China and India have hosted major world events in the past few years, so Russia as one of the new major world economies deserves to have its chance.

The 'old' democratic nations of the 20th Century will have to accept that there time was last century and that this one belongs for new nations to have the chance to show off their cultures and capabilities.
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Putting aside your amusing idea of the second greatest superpower in history and the second most dominant force of the 20th century as somehow part of a new wave, how can you possibly justify Qatar and compare it to the likes of China, India and Brazil? It's just another of those oil bubbles which will burst very drastically in the near(ish) future. It is a tiny country which won't exist at the end of this century which you seem to think it owns. To put it in the same bracket as the BRIC nations is laughable.
 
As for the Russian credibility in football alone, if you discount a dodgy 1966 WC Russia has a better record than England.
 
Team Brian GB said:
LOL!

Labour are calling for an inquiry into how English Football is run.


Erm, why??
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I'm a labour voter, as things stand, but thats a cheap shot. Especially as they were in government til bloody may this year!

On a totally different issue can the FA please take this chance to completely feck off all ties with the cretin that is jack warner.
 
sammsky1 said:
Its the right result for football to take the games most prestigious tournament to new frontiers. Delighted for Qatar and the Middle East who will present football in a totally new way and just as Brazil, China and India have hosted major world events in the past few years, so Russia as one of the new major world economies deserves to have its chance.

The 'old' democratic nations of the 20th Century will have to accept that there time was last century and that this one belongs for new nations to have the chance to show off their cultures and capabilities.

But FIFA has a duty to promote football everywhere and so to award its premier tournament new countries who wll now have the excuse to enhance their footballing capabilities and infrastructure can only be good news for the game. I think FIFA got it right.

Tragedy for England but then again, we are a completely second rate footballing country who just so happens to have the fortune of having a strong economy and so can host one of the richest leagues.

If England were punished because of their media, then I think thats also good. "Freedom of speech" for the sake of it is a totally flawed and destructive concept - Panorama's accusations (of events from a decade ago!) have turned out to be baseless of evidence. And so our Governments inability to stop the BBC from broadcasting these views has proven to be there undoing. The world is changing quickly and until those on these shores realise that there way is not the only way, future humiliations on the global stage await.
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Rood said:
Great post - I agree with it all. Unfortunately will probably get lost amongst a barrage of bollocks from us losers !
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The World Cup is not a political aid festival. It's a football tournament first and foremost.

Russia has reason to claim eastern Europe deserves it's chance to host a WC..It has a long history and has contributed heavily to not just previous WCs, but to football as a whole...

Qatar has none. Zip. It has no football history, it is a tiny, impractical (in size and temperature) country, whose entire bid was based on the fact it's has enormous wealth and can splash it all over the place to improve it's standing as a tourist resort for rich business men..It's like celebrating Vegas getting the bid.

How you're trying to twist it's victory into a triumph for the little guy is hilarious.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
What is the shortfall in Russia regarding hotel rooms as of now? White elephants aren't only stadia, although i suppose they could turn some of them into apartments for the local population.
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Moscow in the business community has a bad reputation for very expensive but inadequate hotel rooms.
 
kouroux said:
Are you people (from England) really angry with this ?
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The 'Inguurlund' massive who still think that 'Britannia rules the waves' and think they have a divine right are. Im neither surprised nor upset. The English think they can call FIFA a bunch of wankers and then win there votes. Its hilarious.
 
Russia won in the second round. England only got 3 or 4 votes.

Odd why there was that delay then.
 
sammsky1 said:
Why? Just because you and a bunch on English people fink its unfair does not make it wrong. Qatar is one of the fastest economies in the world, is cash rich and submitted and genuinely unique and futuristic vision of the what can be achieved. I think its a wonderful and brave decision.

I also think Russia is as good a choice as England, so patriotism aside, it feels like a good decision. Why should western Europe be the epicentre of football?
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so a thriving economy is what the decision is based on? This was not a brave decision and you know it. South Africa was a brave decision not this tripe.
 
AdZzUtd said:
I said that earlier in this thread. But having it whenever we want would be stupid, we could just have it every four years and be very bored. But certain privileges should exist I reckon, after a large amount of time, typically over 40 years as it's been (soon it'll be over 55 years) before we hosted a world cup. A courtesy should be offered to us, and Greece for the Olympics.

Yes, it's a little dictatorial but by god it's the only way we'll ever get it.
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That's more plausible then the other suggestion, which is just ridiculous. At least with your suggestion it's a fail safe that still allows other countries an equal bid, apart from one world cup which would come back here.
 
I think some of your reactions are hilarious. Russia will put on a great show its a given. The summer climate will be fine. They have invested a lot of time into their bid just like England and they have never hosted a WC before. Why dont they deserve it? Maybe this will also help the racism issue too in the country. I think its a great place to stage the tournament.

Qatar will have high tech stadiums with climate contol and will be spectacular. What will they do with all the stadiums have the event? Who gives a feck, thats none of our problems is it?
 
Cant keep up with this thread!

Might return to it when it dies down as there is an interesting discussion to be had.

I'm pissed off that England didnt get it, but I am pissed off at our media, not FIFA (not that there arent massive issues with the organisation but that is a whole other issue for me).
 
I have trouble thinking that, once again (surprise), the media hype surrounding anything to do with England and a World Cup has got the better of its people.
 
Inigo Montoya said:
Well there'd be no women at games for a start;)
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Nah there'd be a bountiful supply of virgins in each stand for peoples half time refreshments and what have you.

The dutch girls from 2010 would still be a no no in all likelihood.
 
Mockney said:
The World Cup is not a political aid festival. It's a football tournament first and foremost.

Russia has reason to claim eastern Europe deserves it's chance to host a WC..It has a long history and has contributed heavily to not just previous WCs, but to football as a whole...

Qatar has none. Zip. It has no football history, it is a tiny, impractical (in size and temperature) country, whose entire bid was based on the fact it's has enormous wealth and can splash it all over the place to improve it's standing as a tourist resort for rich business men..It's like celebrating Vegas getting the bid.

How you're trying to twist it's victory into a triumph for the little guy is hilarious.
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qatar = shitty

i think that sums it up best
 
sammsky1 said:
The 'old' democratic nations of the 20th Century will have to accept that there time was last century and that this one belongs for new nations to have the chance to show off their cultures and capabilities.
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Sorry?

sammsky1 said:
Tragedy for England but then again, we are a completely second rate footballing country who just so happens to have the fortune of having a strong economy and so can host one of the richest leagues.
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What rating does Qatar have as a footballing country?

If the premier league is based on economic wealth then why doesn't Qatar have a prestigious football league?
 
kouroux said:
Are you people (from England) really angry with this ?
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To varying degrees I think.

I'd say the generaly opinion is that it's not the end of the world, as the World Cup is a bit shit really anyway, but it's the method by which FIFA chose that gets people's goats.

Leaving aside allegations of corruption and cash (which are hard to ingore given th Qatar victory), I guess most European fans still believe that the World Cup should be about putting on a great show, and should be hosted by one of the handful of countries with the fans, the infrastructure and the passion (Were it not for the fact they've had it in the last 30 years anwyway, I'd be just as pissed off for Spain).

FIFA obviously see it differently, and think it is about taking a country that isn't so into football and isn't in a position to host it, and kicking them into shape. Great for that country, but not so much for fans around the world.
 
mjs020294 said:
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The laws of Qatar tolerate alcohol to a certain extent. However, the few bars and nightclubs in Qatar operate only in expensive hotels and clubs, much Distribution Company, the only importer and retailer for alcohol in Qatar. Under Qatar's Sharia, it is illegal to show alcohol or be drunk in public.
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Hassan Abdulla al Thawadi, chief executive of the Qatar 2022 World Cup bid, said the Muslim state would also permit alcohol consumption during the world’s most watched sporting event. Specific fan-zones will be set up during the event, they will provide alcohol for sale.
 
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