Cheers. Didn't think it would be but hard to tell what the refs will come up with.
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Cheers. Didn't think it would be but hard to tell what the refs will come up with.
This is a fair question. Can the ref look at VAR after blowing the final whistle? It would be quite a bit crazy if yes.
I've got a vague idea that it's already happened and that one of the teams actually had to be called back onto the pitch because they'd started to head to the changing room. I'm trying to remember when/if it happened or whether I'm just imagining it!
I'm sad to see Canada go out, but our lack of goalscoring ability and creativity definitely hurt us. We do have several good young players coming through, so our future does have some potential, but I'd rather have gone out at the next stage instead of this one. Oh well, Sweden are a good side, so there's no shame in going out to them.
Wow, really? I’m always been pro-VAR (still am) but there has to be a limit to its use, surely? The final whistle should be the final whistle. Not even to issue cards for stuff which happens after the whistle is blown, that can be left for retrospective punishment.
VAR is a great idea, but it cant be used the way it is used in this tournament. It ruins the game. You cant even celebrate a win in case they'll bring the players back on again. And Rolfö was a beast today.
Unbelievable! VAR gone crazy.
I saw a VAR incident in a Serie A match this past year in which a penalty shout went uncalled and the opposition countered and eventually scored.
VAR ruled the initial incident was indeed a penalty, ruled out the actual goal by the home side, and the visiting side ultimately converted the penalty. Was a two-goal swing, totally bizarre.
https://www.espn.com/soccer/report?gameId=522580
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/8446354/fiorentina-penalty-var-spal-serie-a-italy/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...L-goal-award-Fiorentina-penalty-decision.html
VAR decision totally changed the likely outcome. From a 2-1 lead to a 1-2 deficit which certainly changed tactics late on allowing two additional Fiorentina goals.
I thought Sweden played pretty well 2nd half. Passed it with a bit more purpose & forwards earlier rather than trying (badly) to be so precise.
That is bizarre to be called back out, but I agree with the decision to do so. The team should have the same right to a correct decision no matter what.
Would be a tough pill to swallow for the team conceding it though, especially in the case of the whistle going for a win but the ref is right in doing so.
There was a foul on Jayde Riviere, both players down for a short while.
Anyway, Canada gave their all, but they didn't deserve to win; their composure was terrible. And to not play Jordyn Huitema at all was unconscionable. Some odd lineup decisions in general. Beckie has struggled for form recently, and I don't want to single her out, but she gave the ball away for the Swedish counter that they scored on. Her pen was okay, good save really, but why wouldn't Canada's proven big game player, Christine Sinclair, have taken that pen?
Very clearly the main thing he focused on was the way the Cameroonian team completely lost their head, his main issue was with the spitting incident and the way they conducted themselves (screaming about correct decisions, almost refusing to play, completely losing their heads) and as a manager of an opposition team he is completely within his rights to criticise that. He's talking about their behaviour as a whole (fighting on/off the pitch) rather than focusing on a single bad tackle.
There's no tsk tsking. There's just reasonable people who can see that Cameroon completely lost their fecking heads (Which is basically everybody apart from the anti-England weirdos, including FIFA who will be investigating the way they behaved) and acted in a really unacceptable manner all round. It was like sunday league shit, and literally all you and others can say is 'well some England fans and players in the past have done bad stuff so why criticise!' and it's honestly so stupid.
It's honestly so shit. The worst I've seen VAR applied and it's looking pretty scary for the PL.
Does this improve the game, really? The controversy still hasn't gone, especially with the soft one the US got today for example and a few handball incidents. Some rules are always going to be somewhat open to interpretation and difficult to apply consistently.
I dunno, maybe it just needs time and refinement, but the early signs haven't been good imo.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-c...-twice-overruled-var-advice-prevent-cameroon/
Disgraceful, she should never be allowed to referee again.
Disgraceful, she should never be allowed to referee again.
Thought this was a really good assessment of the England performance by Eni Aluko
What a surprise that VAR is terrible for the game...anyone with sense could see it’s awful to bring into football from the beginning. Not looking forward to it in the Prem next year.
It's a very hard situation tbh . For years now people have been complaining of how bad the refs are and how much these games mean & so refs shouldn't be deciding them but now suddenly it feels like just getting the right decisions doesn't solve anything. Football is a rather unique sport and so you can't use examples of Cricket,Tennis and NFL to prove how good technology can be . One of the main reasons people love football is for the flow of the game and the relentless nature of the sport but VAR is completely killing that . Games are so stop & start it's doing my head in. Strangely last year at the world cup most people had a positive view on if so I am not sure what went wrong in the last year
Taking a thread off topic
The man himself is on f---ing video confessing to worse actions than anything the Cameroonian women committed yesterday, and you still fail to see the hypocrisy of his criticism. Mother of pearl, you're either dense as a brick or equally full of pig s--t as that whiny, horsefaced coach of yours.
"Well some England fans and players in the past have done bad stuff so why criticise!"
Ffs, way to oversimplify and gloss over the inconvenient truth--and in the process illustrate further why English fans are about as popular as syphilis with the rest of the world.The man himself is on f---ing video confessing to worse actions than anything the Cameroonian women committed yesterday, and you still fail to see the hypocrisy of his criticism. Mother of pearl, you're either dense as a brick or equally full of pig s--t as that whiny, horsefaced coach of yours.
"Well some England fans and players in the past have done bad stuff so why criticise!"
Yeah you're very clearly massively xenophobic and basically a massive weapon so I think I'm done here.
Can't take anything she says seriously tbh, she's just a moaning twat. I've not seen anyone say anything about it being a state of women's football, everyone and everything I have seen has mentioned the Cameroon team being bang out.
Aluko makes her own scenarios up in her head to fit her own agenda.
I'd love for her to actually provide examples of people who think that this one game is proof women's football can't be taken seriously, outside of a few twitter trolls. Nobody who is taken remotely seriously has suggested anything of the sort.
The analysis of England's performance was good though, and overall it's a pretty interesting article. Just a bit of a shame that she had to suggest something that I don't think is really true.
‘The Telegraph can reveal ...’ and ‘it is understood’ - not much on sources there. And how would Khatie Wyatt know? Sounds like pure speculation.
The man himself is on f---ing video confessing to worse actions than anything the Cameroonian women committed yesterday, and you still fail to see the hypocrisy of his criticism. Mother of pearl, you're either dense as a brick or equally full of pig s--t as that whiny, horsefaced coach of yours.
"Well some England fans and players in the past have done bad stuff so why criticise!"
I’m not English and was cheering for Cameroun in the game to begin with. I’ve also supported Fanatic’s at times lonely game of nuancing the context of what happened, but f... me, you should look at your posting in a mirror.
You generalise people like a right wing extremist, you stamp people who disagree with you as cognitively challenged, you use how people look as a way to bash them with and associate a national group with an infective virus. You use the same style of speak and way of thinking as the worst kind of English hooligan, and on top of that appear to be on a righteous crusade against ‘hypocrisy’.
You make a bad case for Onguene, but maybe a good impression of her.
Sorry not everyone is as smart as you
PhilNev was a bit cloggy as a player. He is now Manager of his country's Women's team. It's a different context I think.
Maybe he did go a bit over the top. But Managers tend to say what their players & supporters want to hear in these situations. SAF & Wenger at the top of a not very short list?
edit - was that twat Keown never playing when Reyes was getting all this stick? -.
Maybe he did go a bit over the top. But Managers tend to say what their players & supporters want to hear in these situations. SAF & Wenger at the top of a not very short list?
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The VAR got everything right in the SWE-CAN game I think, tbf. But it's definitely affecting what we're watching & even how the rules are applied.
The 2nd half that has 4 controversial goals/red cards & 4 substitutions is going to be about a week long. Fortunately, I've been told that it is impossible for this to happen.
Refereeing had got so bad we needed this? I dunno, not a totally unreasonable question though. You can see how we got here, I think.
The 2nd half that has 4 controversial goals/red cards & 4 substitutions is going to be about a week long. Fortunately, I've been told that it is impossible for this to happen.
Refereeing had got so bad we needed this? I dunno, not a totally unreasonable question though. You can see how we got here, I think.
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My issue was that in the last 30 minutes it felt like literally everything was being checked on VAR and every random appeal lead to a check
I think one idea football could think about is to come up with a challenge system similar to other sports. Let the teams have 1/2 challenges a game for what they believe is a clear and obvious error by the ref and they can use it at the next break in play. That will probably reduce clear errors without making it seem like a farce
Not just me. Many people could see this a mile off but refused to believe it & said we ‘were living in the stone age & had to accept it’ haha.
What a useless garbage addition to the game
Yeah, I'm instinctively opposed to the idea of a challenge system because it takes you back to missing stuff & doesn't necessarily solve the 'time being taken' issue. But @Alex99 did a good couple of posts about it on the VAR thread.
I agree totally with what you say about watching & thinking about VAR implications too. Even at the final whistle last night,
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Was it also terrible for the men's World Cup ?
Yes. I think it may push us down the captain's/manager's (limited) challenge track. Checking every goal, possible red, possible penalty is leading to them pausing for minutes on things that players aren't even noticing. Clear and obvious errors? Things that need 4 minutes of slow-motion multi-angle replays aren't obvious.
I also think that if it's obvious enough to go to VAR for, letting the game play on, waiting for a stoppage doesn't work.
At any rate, the implementation this time has been poor and intrusive. Whether that's because they're just applying the rules better - like the horrible new guidance on offside or the clampdown on keeper position at penalty kicks - or inexperienced/poor refs needing it more, it's exposed the weaknesses of the system.
I also think that if it's obvious enough to go to VAR for, letting the game play on, waiting for a stoppage doesn't work.
At any rate, the implementation this time has been poor and intrusive. Whether that's because they're just applying the rules better - like the horrible new guidance on offside or the clampdown on keeper position at penalty kicks - or inexperienced/poor refs needing it more, it's exposed the weaknesses of the system.
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I think technology is here to stay , no sport goes back from it . It's all about football trying to come up with the best possible way to use it
That is what I'm not getting. It is the same attitude from pundits here as well. Yet it works in other leagues it was great at the men's World Cup. The referees in this World Cup have not been great, neither have the people working the VAR. Operated by competent people it works. People moaning will be screaming blue murder when Liverpool score yet another offside goal.
In the mainstream media the (sometimes vaguely racist) focus is mostly on the Cameroon team. On Twitter land which is where women's football has mostly lived over the past twenty years, the usual twits are in action.
They're the same ones who greet every post on the United or MOTD feed with stuff like, "BBC only doing it because it's politically correct, they'd lose to the U16s, no one watches it except to show how woke they are" etc.
Aluko's still very aware of that noise, so she still sees the "what a surprise - women bring hysterical" stuff. She's also aware of the other head teacher sort of lecture tone of some of the criticism - "lots of kids watch women play, what sort of role model" etc. Which is irritating enough around the men's game, but can dominate coverage in the women's game.
VAR is great. Might have to find a new sport to follow. Good bye.
That's the key right there. If the implementation and use can be done like in the Men's World Cup then football will gain from it. It's about improving its use for me, it's a good tool.