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WWC19 | Final: USA v Netherlands
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
Yeah because the dickheadish behaviour of a minority of fans which pretty much everyone condemns definitely means that nobody can complain about a group of professionals acting like kids.
Fantastic point, you've nailed it entirely, including the weird xenophobic need to tell everyone how hated the English are whilst supporting an English club. 10/10 well done.
I'm not really seeing how you are having a go at England fans for complaining about the behaviour of the Cameroon players when they elbowed one of our players in face, potentially spat at one of our players, went in with a potential leg breaking tackle at the end and went on strike over two correct called VAR decisions. It was one of the most absurd games I've ever seen.
It was fun because of that mind.
Fox soccer panel discussing it all again.
They’re saying when CAM look back on the game they’ll regret getting so upset. I think some at least will have the victim complex and continue to moan about it.
They’re saying when CAM look back on the game they’ll regret getting so upset. I think some at least will have the victim complex and continue to moan about it.
Ignore the truth all you want, but it doesn't change it. English fans are abhorred for good reason.
So to hear the English of all people decry others for boorishness is the height of hypocrisy.
Why have you chosen to support an English football club if you hate England and English fans?
I wouldn't start supporting the New England Patriots if I hated America and Americans.
I think the only fair thing to do is disqualify both teams for bringing the game into disrepute, and give a bye to whoever was supposed to be their QF opponent.
I'm all for slagging off England fans at any given opportunity and if they were criticising the conduct of the Cameroonian supporters then I'd happily point out the hypocrisy.
In this instance though it is utterly, utterly irrelevant. We're talking about the conduct of the players and that Cameroon side was terribly ill-disciplined. Fan behaviour is neither here nor there.
In this instance though it is utterly, utterly irrelevant. We're talking about the conduct of the players and that Cameroon side was terribly ill-disciplined. Fan behaviour is neither here nor there.
You're not a Russian American are you? If so it would be pretty great for you getting on your high horse about England being a loathed country.
I don't give a shit how much English fans are hated. It's utterly irrelevant.
The idea that I can't criticise the Cameroon team for being childish wankers just because I'm English is utterly absurd, all you're doing is screaming 'YEAH BUT NOBODY LIKES THE ENGLISH' as if it's means anything.
Seriously, why do you feel the need to tell us this? It's so stupid and irrelevant to the discussion I can't help but think that all you want to do is have a stupid little dig.
I actually think issuing broad generalizations that are lacking in self awareness and context might also be a fantastic fit for the height of hypocrisy, but that’s just me.
You'll find similar complaints by any nation or fans when faced with a showing like that. Are you one of these guys who only knows English as a second language and hangs around too much on English forums. Maybe spend some time on the Italian or Spanish forums or listening their fans, or maybe Argentinian?
Formula 1 has a bunch of these people with a stick up their arse over England and English like the empire is still going and we owe everyone. Maybe people like you should learn Spanish and watch Spanish coverage and see the bias they show which is 30 times more.
Utd does not equal England
I love Phil.
He wasn't the best player, and he gets mocked a lot by United fans, but he always comes across as a nice man.
I'm Mexican.
Do you just not like English people or any English sporting national team?
Because the “boorishness” of English fans you seem to hate hasn’t surfaced once with the women’s team.
We're an English club you dope.
Nor do a minority of fans equal the rest of the fanbase, or indeed professional footballers representing a nation on a global stage, yet here we are.
Did you like the new Morrissey album?
Manchester is in England.
You don't have to support England to support Manchester United, obviously. But if you have such a dislike for the English people that you feel the need to tell them how hated they are at any opportunity, I really don't see why you'd bother to support a club based there.
All you're doing is making sweeping generalisations that had no place whatsoever in this thread, because the behaviour of the cameroon team has nothing whatsoever to do with the behaviour of some English fans.
On a side note anyone who follows Women's football more closely can answer this please - how much money does an average Cameroon player playing today make ? I heard the commentator say that all of them apart from the keeper play outside of Cameroon
I understand that just because someone explicitly writes something doesn't mean what they actually say reflects it, or do you believe everyone who starts with 'i'm not racist, but...' to be wholly without prejudice?
He may well write that there's 'no excuse,' but when he follows that with justification, he's definitively giving excuses. If he wanted to express a separation from this line of thinking he would've wrote something as simple as: Cameroon think they've been hard done by in previous tournaments, which is of course nonsense. It's unacceptable behaviour. He's tried to paint Cameroon's hang ups as reasonable. Phrases like 'rightly or wrongly' have no place in a post that condemns the actions and motives of the players and supporters.
Incredibly, he's even given a laughable interpretation of today's refereeing decisions to 'justify' the favour the ref afforded Cameroon off the back of today's abhorrent behaviour.
Thanks, I think you understood me perfectly.
Also, we’re huge football fanatics, and very passionate about it too. Haha probably not an apt moniker on this occasion, I admit.
So by your genius logic, I can't support an athlete(s) if I harbor ill feelings toward their respective countries.
That means I shouldn't have supported the great Cuban boxer Teofilo Stevenson because of Castro? Or any of the great Argentinean teams of years past because of Peron's repressive regime?
You're certainly one to be criticizing others' intelligence.
Also in this case most of the England fans who are there are women.
I think that's unfair tbh. Yes England have a stupid minority and major issues. But saying a decent upstanding England supporter can't criticize abhorrent behavior because of what some people he'll never know have done or how some people he'll never meet behave is unfair and a massive generalization.
It's like saying Germans can't criticize war because of the holocaust, hugely unfair..
You're not supporting an athlete.
You're supporting a club, a team.
From England.
Do you sit there watching Utd games on TV , and every time it cuts to the crowd at Old Trafford you boo and proclaim loudly how much you hate England and the English?
@Chekhov just so you know you can’t ever point out player or fan behaviour either as United were well known for having a solid set of hooligans also
You're not supporting an athlete.
You're supporting a club, a team.
From England.
Do you sit there watching Utd games on TV , and every time it cuts to the crowd at Old Trafford you boo and proclaim loudly how much you hate England and the English?
Argument conceded. One can't compete with the laughing emoji.
Well this has taken a dark turn...
The game has certainly got people talking. I thoroughly enjoyed it, controversies and all.
Hope the France v Brazil game is equally as entertaining though I'm looking forward to more Gauvin and to a lesser extent Bouhaddi, Monica, Thaisa and Kathellen.
Gonna go France 2-1 with Gauvin, Le Sommer and Cristiane to score.
The game has certainly got people talking. I thoroughly enjoyed it, controversies and all.
Hope the France v Brazil game is equally as entertaining though I'm looking forward to more Gauvin and to a lesser extent Bouhaddi, Monica, Thaisa and Kathellen.
Gonna go France 2-1 with Gauvin, Le Sommer and Cristiane to score.
You're not supporting an athlete.
You're supporting a club, a team.
From England.
Do you sit there watching Utd games on TV , and every time it cuts to the crowd at Old Trafford you boo and proclaim loudly how much you hate England and the English?
Even completely ignoring the whole 'i despise England and its people but support an English club' thing, his whole idea is barmy.
You can't criticise any bad behaviour ever because you're English and some English fans are bad. It's fecking absurd.
Well there's no point arguing with you anyway.
You came into a thread and for no reason started talking about how much you hate England and the English.
It's ludicrous.
It's one of the stupidest posts I've ever read on here.
Layers of stupidity to it.
But your hatred for England isn't because of regime , it's because if football fans which makes it relevant
Here are some of my thoughts:
1) Cameroon has for the last 30+ years have had a reputation for their rough style of football in the men's game.
2) I think the Cameroon players genuinely lacked understanding of the rules. I don't think they kicked off until they saw the VAR clip.
3) I'm a member of quite a few African football forums. There has always been a strong sentiment that FIFA officiating is bias (unconscious) against African teams. Could this have fueled their reaction?
4) Cameroon will most definitely regret their behaviour in reflection as it was indeed unacceptable. However I can most definitely empathize with their feelings that led to the outburst. A pity they couldn't channel their passion and aggression in a more positive way.
1) Cameroon has for the last 30+ years have had a reputation for their rough style of football in the men's game.
2) I think the Cameroon players genuinely lacked understanding of the rules. I don't think they kicked off until they saw the VAR clip.
3) I'm a member of quite a few African football forums. There has always been a strong sentiment that FIFA officiating is bias (unconscious) against African teams. Could this have fueled their reaction?
4) Cameroon will most definitely regret their behaviour in reflection as it was indeed unacceptable. However I can most definitely empathize with their feelings that led to the outburst. A pity they couldn't channel their passion and aggression in a more positive way.
Can you do us a favour and hang around the Spanish forums and see the animosity or do you just target England? You're pretty quick to call out England fans for some reason which has nothing to do with the Cameroon players conduct over the English players conduct. You couldn't wait to have a dig for some reason?
Only two bookings in that game
Amazing when there should have been two red cards and infinite yellow ones just for their behaviour.
Good lord!Is saying that you hate the English fans not a bit... xenophobic? I'd understand saying that about the wannabe-hooligans and shit-stirrers, but generalising a group of people like that doesn't seem okay to me.