Does he? heard his job's on shakey ground.
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Does he? heard his job's on shakey ground.
I personally dont think that Luis gets much credit for what he is doing when its going right or wrong at Barcelona . I sometimes forget who manages them. All the press talk about is MSN from where i am siiting. When people speak about top 5 managers in the world hes not even mentioned as #6. Would you want him at our club as a manager?
Luis Enrique is another example of what is needed to manage some teams imho.
When he came, he wanted everyone to work his ass off, tried different tactics, tried to reinvent the wheel, until he just "embraced" his squad and did the most logical thing, manage the egos and use a proven formula
Zidane was smart enough to take that approach since day one and that prob gave a better impression to his squad, in a way he is like Del Bosque, he understand the quality in his squad and that he has to manage the players before the tactic, guys at that level depend more on inspiration than pressing or fine tuning. His level with lesser players can't be judged yet so when people compare him to Del Bosque I hope people are only talking about the best Del Bosque
What were the different tactics he tried to get them to do this?
I recall people calling him "andamios" right when he was appointed, I guess he tried to implement that xD
As for the tactics I don't remember quite well what he did but the most noticeable thing was confronting some of the top players like Messi, then Luis Enrique had to give in but he managed to make Messi play wide and Suárez in his best position.
He wanted to rotate players (subbing Messi, not putting him or Neymar in the starting XI against Real Sociedad, something that almost costed him the job), he asked more work from the front three, and if I remember correctly he tried Messi as the false 9 while Suarez was playing in the right, he used a 3-4-3 with 3 CB's against PSG in the group phase with the top seed on the line (a game that I at least think was the start of the transition from tiki-taka to our more direct football that season) and had some faith in Montoya ahead of Alves until it became obvius that he wasn't good enough
Basically, Zidane earned the trust of his players and we could say he convinced them to rest in some games (one year ago he said the BBC would play every game they were fit to play) and now he is in a better position. Lucho took the joob with the axe trying to "hack" a team that wasn't working and when he stopped using the axe he found success, Zidane started with a more friendly approach, he took some concepts that Benitez wanted to use but couldn't (Casemiro) and managed better the situation, some other things the team still had from Ancelotti returned and the players obviusly respect him as a player and as a personality.
I still don't know what ceiling Zidane has in other areas, but he seems a smart manager in his squad management and even with a historic unbeaten run you don't see him claiming credit or fame. That's important and until we get to see how he manages his first first big crisis in the team he looks like the perfect fit for that bench
Interesting, thanks.
No one knows his ceiling, but there are hints what he might have in mind stylistically.
At the end of this summer's pre-season and in the Sevilla game last week, Real showed some good collective high pressing when their second offensive was on the pitch. There may have been 1-2 more games like that, but it all completely disappears as soon as BBC are playing again. When he took over, Zidane said he wants to see 11 men defending & attacking together, winning the ball up high and attacking as direct as possible. So Klopp's Dortmund might be a rough idea of the style he prefers.
Current Real plays very differently, so I think most of what this side is about is down to the characteristics and preferences of the most powerful players (BBC, Ramos, probably Marcelo), plus some measures to curb the resulting imbalance. But this is how you have to manage this side to be successful, accommodate the bigwigs and build the best possible supporting cast out of the rest. As you and others have said, Zidane seems to find a good balance between adapting to that and implementing some things of his own, which is not easy at all.
If he stays in the job for a few more years we may see a team that is closer to Zidane's original vision. After all, Perez seems to listen to his advice when it comes to transfers.
Jose won it in 2011/12
We did it back to back in 06/07 and 07/08
So no not 10 years lol
He only managed to win one major trophy in 3 years at Madrid, that is a failure. Shuster and Capello arguably had better stints in shorter times. Ancelotti managed to do better in 2 years despite going a whole season without winning a trophy.
Didn't Ancelloti only win one major trophy as well?
In 2 seasons, not 3 and he won us the 10th, but the lack of trophies is why he was fired.
Jose had 3 whole seasons and left the locker room in a shambles.
Oh it wasn't a dig at Zidane in any way. I was genuinely curious, as I haven't watched much of Real this season.
Apologies if it came across the wrong way.
One major trophy in three years against an All Time Great Barca, and he's a failure.
Evidence of player power evident across different managers, yet only he's to blame.
...HOW?
Evidence of player power evident across different managers, yet only he's to blame.
...HOW?
He was a failure, highest paid manager in the world at the time, given more power than any Real Madrid manger in history, they sacked the Sporting Director role for him and gave him full power over transfers and he lost the locker room, much like he did at Chelsea and was only able to deliver the La Liga in 3 full seasons, while getting spanked by Barcelona at the same time.One major trophy in three years against an All Time Great Barca, and he's a failure.
Evidence of player power evident across different managers, yet only he's to blame.
...HOW?
That is a huge failure.
Isn't that very common? Did you think mourinho, Wenger, Klopp and all are the managers' first names?
Agree on everything you said except he wasn't a failure IMO, but you might see it differently. I just can't see anyone topping that Barca side, maybe late 80s Milan.
One liga in 3 years is not bad but not great.One major trophy in three years against an All Time Great Barca, and he's a failure.
Evidence of player power evident across different managers, yet only he's to blame.
...HOW?
I also think that his time in Madrid has been a failure, for many reasons but especially because of the football style, the agressiveness that he promoted and the division that created among the fans.
Given the state of the team when he arrived Mourinho did a more than decent job. We would always lose miserably against Barcelona and be kicked out of UCL against the likes of Lyon on the early stages. So while he did not win many trophies he at least evened things out in the league, we managed to win one Copa del Rey against Barcelona and we were competitive again under him in the UCL and have remained so I think he set a good plataform for Ancelotti to take on.
From my point of view it was a very exhausting job for him but he was the only one capable at that time, and it was also exhausting for Guardiola and everybody in both clubs. I remember being so nervous at that time and the games were ugly and nobody seemed to be happy and it took a toll on him and the players but even so I still believe that was what we needed. Ancelotti is very different in that regard so he also was the ideal man to follow after him so I'm also grateful for his time there and only don't rate Benítez at all xD
With Benítez the players had no respect for him at all and it was kind of dull, and it might seem like something shallow but given what surrounds Real Madrid I believe the manager has to have a minimum of charisma which he did not possess. He wasn't as confrontative as Mourinho but he still managed to piss the players I thought we might need someone strict again but Zidane even without having any credentials as a manager he did very well at well, managing the team. Sometimes it wasn't clear what was his style or tactics but he has the respect of the board and the players and I think is great what he has done utilizing all the squad and even promoting players from Castilla. He trust his players and they respond to him on the pitch.
From my point of view it was a very exhausting job for him but he was the only one capable at that time, and it was also exhausting for Guardiola and everybody in both clubs. I remember being so nervous at that time and the games were ugly and nobody seemed to be happy and it took a toll on him and the players but even so I still believe that was what we needed. Ancelotti is very different in that regard so he also was the ideal man to follow after him so I'm also grateful for his time there and only don't rate Benítez at all xD
With Benítez the players had no respect for him at all and it was kind of dull, and it might seem like something shallow but given what surrounds Real Madrid I believe the manager has to have a minimum of charisma which he did not possess. He wasn't as confrontative as Mourinho but he still managed to piss the players I thought we might need someone strict again but Zidane even without having any credentials as a manager he did very well at well, managing the team. Sometimes it wasn't clear what was his style or tactics but he has the respect of the board and the players and I think is great what he has done utilizing all the squad and even promoting players from Castilla. He trust his players and they respond to him on the pitch.
When you put it that way, fair enough. Someone was putting him alongside Fergie etc and that was just bizarre
What a daft thing to get upset over. In places all around the world you refer to people formally by their surname given you're obviously not pals with "Lucho".
That someone also uses "lol" in posts. The standard these days.
That's the whole point. Enrique isn't his surname... Luis Enrique is his first name, his surname is Martínez García.
I guess that the majority of people who aren't very familiar with Spanish names, do not know that Enrique is not his surname, but in fact it is just his second name.
Although journos and those who comment the matches in TV should know this.
Edit: Ah, you're talking about people here. They're not Spanish, so likely they didn't know that Enrique is not his surname.
The failure comes in the lack of challenge by the 3rd season. When people say "topping the Barca team", by the 3rd season they were 15 points behind which with the team he had, isn't even a Real effort
Since when is 78 points "close to 100"?
Anyway, about the relative quality of the managers, why is it so hard for people to use their own judgement? in spain is it mostly agreed that Guardiola is a great coach but Enrique isn't, even though both were highly successful. You watch the games, you judge competency. Zidane's a good coach, may not be a great one but for me he's already better than LE, he's surprised me with his tactical flexibility and seems a great man-manager in the mould of SAF. Time will tell
can't wait to meet them next year in the champions league and smash them:-) We are building a proper team and we should be playing these fixtures like against Madrid, Barca or Bayern.. I am sure we would do good even now and we are only at the beginning..
It's surprising that he hasn't been exposed yet. Also seems like he's rode his luck a lot throughout his tenure.
Maybe he hasn't been exposed because he is probably decent?
Every manager gets luck.
Strange bump, unless you are trying some kind of jinx for tonight. Won the CL last year, will probably win the league this year and in the semi's of the CL too.
Is 'nt the el classico tonight?
Fantastic by Zidane. Such a likeable guy as well.
Should be an interesting game tonight.
Madrid are in much better form and are at home, so they will certainly be the favourites, going into the game tonight.
Should be an interesting game tonight.
Madrid are in much better form and are at home, so they will certainly be the favourites, going into the game tonight.
Disagree. He's been excellent.
Madrid is a club where tactics mean little and being a man manager is the main attribute needed. That's why Del Bosque, Ancelotti and now Zidane are loves by the players and guys like Mou and Rafa are hated by almost the whole squad. The club has arguably the most talented squad I have ever seen so all you need is a guy that can manage the egos. Zidane's management style is similar to SAF. He's not great with tactics but he gets the best out of everyone and makes every player feel like they are part of the project even if they barely play.
Add to the fact that he is THE ZIDANE, it means that his decisions aren't going to be questioned and even CRonaldo takes a bit of a step back before being petulant.
Add to the fact that he is THE ZIDANE, it means that his decisions aren't going to be questioned and even CRonaldo takes a bit of a step back before being petulant.
Another good sub by him.
He's made this Real side unbelievably resilient, they keep coming back and back and back and back.
Poor man's Giggs.
OMD
Sack watch back on?
Was naive to not park the bus in the last few mins after 2 -2.
But, gotta give him credit that the man has been doing pretty good job at Real. He was a very intelligent player and shows one as a coach too.
The way he manages the team and how his team play usually remind me of our old united teams under SAF as someone else said above.
But, gotta give him credit that the man has been doing pretty good job at Real. He was a very intelligent player and shows one as a coach too.
The way he manages the team and how his team play usually remind me of our old united teams under SAF as someone else said above.