If Real appoint Poch, that's the tbd of Ronaldo imo.
He's the kind of my way or high way kibd of coach.
He's the kind of my way or high way kibd of coach.
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Don't know about you, but I have the whole "Pep's Era" downloaded on my disk, not any other team's. Haven't seen one team dominate and play like this.
Sometimes you just have to remove the bias and enjoy the brilliance, the world is a much better place then.
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Barca hadn't won anything for 2 years when Pep arrived
In the season before he was appointed people were saying the B team was coached better than the main team
It was clear to see Guardiola wasn't just a normal manager at Barcelona B
He cleared out Deco, Ronaldinho, Zambrotta and Thuram retired
He had anything but a ready made team and brought in Busquettes from the youth team
He started the Barca era of dominance nothing was easy for him in his time there
In the season before he was appointed people were saying the B team was coached better than the main team
It was clear to see Guardiola wasn't just a normal manager at Barcelona B
He cleared out Deco, Ronaldinho, Zambrotta and Thuram retired
He had anything but a ready made team and brought in Busquettes from the youth team
He started the Barca era of dominance nothing was easy for him in his time there
Great read from one of the best journalists covering football in the Primera, El Pais' Ramon Besa
Because 2 similar results don't need to have the same causation. It's perfectly possible that one coach won stuff because he did great coaching work and the other won the same stuff because of a culmination of luck and being a good motivator and not much else. Most people can see the difference. Nevermind Zidane, it's why Luis Enrique never got the recognition by Barca fans (let alone the football world) despite winning a treble and double.
Not sure everyone here is fluent in Catalan though.
I would be shocked if most weren’t long familiar with translating apps/extensions
Good point, but I don't think many people bother reading the horrible automated translations when they're longer than a tweet.
Personnally speaking French and a semi functional Spanish I can decipher Catalan decently but it becomes a real pain when it's longer than a small paragraph.
Ramos and Isco got injured apparently, things just get worse and worse for Zidane.
They weren't mediocre. They should have probably beaten United in the semis of the Champions League and the point gap in the league didn't represent the actual gap in quality since they lost a bunch of those points after they lost the league. They won 13 points in their last 13 league games.
They did improve a lot but it gets overstated how bad they were in the season before Pep arrived.
They weren't mediocre. They should have probably beaten United in the semis of the Champions League and the point gap in the league didn't represent the actual gap in quality since they lost a bunch of those points after they lost the league. They won 13 points in their last 13 league games.
They did improve a lot but it gets overstated how bad they were in the season before Pep arrived.
There's no doubt Pep deserves credit for changing the party environment and adding structure, but this was a team that barely lost to United in the CL final. The front 3 iirc was Eto, Messi and Henry, I mean what team right now has a front 3 that compares to that? Maybe Barca of 2 years ago with Suarez, Messi and Neymar? Zidane came in to a similar situation, extremely talented team that just needed balance. Pep's a great manager when he has his type of players but as we all saw last season he's no SAF. He's not going to get you titles by improving what he has available. We will find out more about Zidane once he leaves RM.
No offence but, I rarely post anymore however, I do read this forum quite a bit.
You stick out a lot!
That was the end of Rijkaard's cycle. Simply put he'd lost the players
They were very much mediocre as a team, not individually. Not a much different situation from us this season really(or under Benitez)
Isco's injury comes at a good time, he can play the bbc without problems now
I mistakenly clicked on the zidane thread expecting to read about actual zidane, only to found the same pep is god yadda yadda we get to see every 2 days in this forum
My bad.
My bad.
I was just about to post the same thing.
With @FCBarca Pepism must go down our throats eventually.
Seriously. This place nowadays reeks of 'pepism'. Yes, he is the 'inventor' of beautiful football and every other manager is shit. Yes, players play for him without any renumeration. Yes, he can do no wrong. Yes, he has created the 'greatest' team in the 100 odd years of english football history.
I mean do we have to be fed these 'facts' as benitez would say, again and again? The way these barcelona players and fans talk about this guy, it feels the entire club and their fans are in the business of brainwashing people into thinking that his way is the right way. So I think it's best that we don't bring up any counter-arguments when these cules(or whatever these barca boys are called) say that he is the best ever. It's best to ignore and speak about what the topic that the thread intended.
I mean do we have to be fed these 'facts' as benitez would say, again and again? The way these barcelona players and fans talk about this guy, it feels the entire club and their fans are in the business of brainwashing people into thinking that his way is the right way. So I think it's best that we don't bring up any counter-arguments when these cules(or whatever these barca boys are called) say that he is the best ever. It's best to ignore and speak about what the topic that the thread intended.
I pretty much rate how much someone knows about football with how they talk about Pep
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...-replace-zinedine-zidane-says-guillem-balague
Ballbag says the want Poch
Ballbag says the want Poch
He is a very good manager to be fair. His teams also play nice football. He has pretty much had the best squad in whatever league he's been in for every season he has managed which will be a slight question mark until it is not the case.
And Rijkaard has proven to be a very poor manager ever since. In the same way Enrique proved to be pretty below par before taking over a team with the best player of all team there.
Spain won the Euros literally weeks before Pep took charge with Iniesta and Xavi starting in midfield.
Maybe the rumours of Pep taking charge inspired the masses to greater heights.
Maybe the rumours of Pep taking charge inspired the masses to greater heights.
Hang on, I thought Lvg was the one responsible for Barca success (and all the other success in the football universe)
He should stay even if Madrid don't win the Champions League. He fecked up a lot in the league (and in the Copa Del Rey) but with Madrid going for a third CL in a row and the WC at the end of the season, this is a pretty abnormal season with players preparing their season to peak at the end of it.
He clearly knows what he's doing and the team is playing for him.
He clearly knows what he's doing and the team is playing for him.
The greatest of all time.
Player: European Cup winner, World Cup winner, Serie A & La Liga winner, Champion's League winner, winner of multiple other domestic trophies.
Manager: La Liga winner, 3x Champion's League winner.
And he's only 45
He's already had managerial success up there with the very best (without the longevity you can argue), and has always been regarded as one of the games greats. Surely you put the two together, there's no doubt - He's the greatest. Fair play.
Player: European Cup winner, World Cup winner, Serie A & La Liga winner, Champion's League winner, winner of multiple other domestic trophies.
Manager: La Liga winner, 3x Champion's League winner.
And he's only 45
He's already had managerial success up there with the very best (without the longevity you can argue), and has always been regarded as one of the games greats. Surely you put the two together, there's no doubt - He's the greatest. Fair play.
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Make that a hat-trick. What a legend of the game, yet strangely still underrated whilst everyone creams themselves over Pep.
Legend. Three seasons, three CLs in a row. Incredible achievement.
Sets his team up so well. Honestly I thought Liverpool would look a lot more deadly on the counter (at least when Salah was on the pitch), but Zidane knew how the teams would match up stylistically and did what he needed to do to combat Liverpool’s strengths.
His record since he took over is pretty spectacular. I hope he stays as long as fergie did with you guys.
He always gets his subs spot on too.
He always gets his subs spot on too.
More Champions League wins than SAF. Mind blowing start to his managerial career.
Back to back to back
Better than drake
Better than drake
Because Pep Guardiola is the better manager? Great achievement even with the jammy scenarios. What Zidane does so well is get the best out of his players by keeping them happy and motivated, he's no tactical genius but I suspect the aura he carries as a great player helps him a lot.
His goal is still the best but now he's become my favorite player/manager of all time, if he leaves us I would expect him to go and take France and make them World Champions, he's that good. 
P.S. He has also won an UCL as assistant of Ancelotti so he's been part of 4 UCL in the last 5 years.
P.S. He has also won an UCL as assistant of Ancelotti so he's been part of 4 UCL in the last 5 years.
Better than Pep
Is he? What’s Pep done in Europe without Messi? Last time he won the CL was the year after Jose who many are quick to call yesterday’s man.
Luckily for him he we don't judge managers solely on what they do in Europe.
Three in a row can’t be argued with. This early into his managerial career and he can already be spoken about as the GOAT in Europe.
Staggering achievement.
3 ECL already. Wow.
3 ECL already. Wow.
True but it’s still important considering he took over a treble winning side at Bayern and a Sheikh’s plaything at City.
He has become a master of making subs that impact the game.