The last was Mark Hughes about 25 years ago, i think
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The last was Mark Hughes about 25 years ago, i think
The Everton game showed why Chicharito must start tight games ahead of a Welbeck.
Not what I got from it. Especially as both started.
He's got a really first touch for good close control and burst of speed. It lets him go past people with ease.
I don't agree. Hernandez was terrible apart from the goal, plus he had an easy pass to set up Welbeck but he overhit it. That would probably been a goal had it been any other player making that pass.
He's nowhere near to Chicarito yet. However thanks to him we can allow Berba and Owen to leave.
How on Earth are the 2 linked? Hernandez is a PROVEN international and has just come off a fantastic season in the Prem.
Welbeck is a better footballer than Hernandez. Hernandez is a great goal poacher. Both are very valuable to have around.
If I had said that it was a glaring weakness then it would have been harsh. As I said, its a slight weakness. And young players alwAys have weaknesses they can work on. Jones has them. Hernandez has them.
His not being extra direct is crucial for a player like him because he has the ability to pull off the extra complicated link up play. But with time hell learn to pick his moments to be direct every now and then. He is after all a strikers so hell be judged as such
There are a couple of posters on here who genuinely hate him.
Exactly. nobody hates him. some might rate him lesser than most but nobody could possibly hate a 20yr old local lad playing for the club.
Correct. Hernandez can only play at his best when we have a strong midfield with plenty of possession, able to create chances for him. Otherwise, he will be lost and wont see the ball once (as against Barca or other big teams)
Agreed, and they will both get plenty of games. And the fact they're very different style players gives us more options, which is great. I'm delighted to see Danny doing so well - I'd always hoped he'd come good but it was only when watching Sunderland at Chelsea last year that I really believed he would.
Yep, none of our other players mess up passes
And claiming that Hernandez was terrible is way OTT, he also provided us with our second best chance of the game with a beauty of a pass to Welbeck.
He also made a wonderful cross field pass to welbeck to set up a chance. But hey, lets forget that and instead focus on him overhitting a 1st time pass. As it is, no other player ever over/underhits a pass.
its like the ruud / louis saha situation of a few years ago.
saha / wellbeck (potentially) petrified defenders with pace skill and strength. linked the play up well and scored all types of goals but also guilty of wasting the odd chance here and there.
ruud / hernandez....generally by united standards are poor "footballers" however both score goals out of nothing. they might not do anything for the entire game but only need half a chance and score a goal.
i think hernndez needs to really working on his movement outside of the box. at the moment he's going long /in the channels all the time. this results in us giving the ball away alot and him being caught offside a lot. against top teams he's movement outside of the box is very predictable. barca must have caught him offside about 20 times. he needs to learn to occaisionally stand his ground and remain static or drop deep etc. he is very very very similar to a 18 year old owen.
saha / wellbeck (potentially) petrified defenders with pace skill and strength. linked the play up well and scored all types of goals but also guilty of wasting the odd chance here and there.
ruud / hernandez....generally by united standards are poor "footballers" however both score goals out of nothing. they might not do anything for the entire game but only need half a chance and score a goal.
i think hernndez needs to really working on his movement outside of the box. at the moment he's going long /in the channels all the time. this results in us giving the ball away alot and him being caught offside a lot. against top teams he's movement outside of the box is very predictable. barca must have caught him offside about 20 times. he needs to learn to occaisionally stand his ground and remain static or drop deep etc. he is very very very similar to a 18 year old owen.
I actually hate when people do that. 'X' is a far better footballer but 'Y' is is a better striker. If they are both strikers and Y is better at some things that make him clearly the better striker then he's the better player. It's as if people somehow decide to remove a few skills from being related to football and then make some sort of inane judgement.
Ruud was a brilliant footballer. He was better than countless footballers who were better on the ball but inferior footballers who couldn't affect a game like he could.
Ruud at his peak was never by any standard a poor footballer. Nor is Hernandez btw.
You can say that Ruud was 'not brilliant on the ball' or was 'decent on the ball, nothing more'. But as a footballer, he was outstanding. Is Vidic a crap footballer because he's pretty poor on the ball? It makes no sense whatsoever to me when people try and use this logic.
My point is aimed in the general direction of people who put this point forth not ben_foster in particular.
Do people forget how good Ruud was at holding the ball up and linking the play? He's a goalscorer yes but he also played a significant role in the build-up too.
This myth that Van Nistelrooy was terrible in the build-up play gets perpetuated more as time passes. It's baffling. We played some fantastic stuff with him holding the ball up and linking with others players.
Vs City we needed goals in first half when we were on top. Nothing beats goals.
What the feck, Ruud a poor footballer?
He had a great first touch and great technique, he could score from every angle. He didn't do all the running at defences stuff etc because he didn't need to but he still scored some tremendous solo goals against Arsenal and Fulham.
He had a great first touch and great technique, he could score from every angle. He didn't do all the running at defences stuff etc because he didn't need to but he still scored some tremendous solo goals against Arsenal and Fulham.
And Basel, or was it some other Swiss cnuts?
Phelan Shorts was the one I was thinking of when I ever I do think of people being classed as "Welbeck-haters".
Good player and a lovely lad by all accounts, what's not to like?
In what way? We play better football with Welbeck in the team, his hold up play is better, he can dribble better, his passing is better etc. Hernandez is superior with his movement in the box and his nack of scoring goals.
Welbeck also had a good season last year, though it got interrupted by injuries. Don't get me wrong, I like Hernandez as much as anyone, but I don't let that get in the way of identifying his weaknesses, of which there are a few. It's not always going to be plain sailing for him and when he goes through a bad spell, it is then that these weaknesses will be massively highlighted. He needs to continue to develop his game if he is to be considered first choice. Welbeck is already snapping at his heels.
Yep, none of our other players mess up passes
And claiming that Hernandez was terrible is way OTT, he also provided us with our second best chance of the game with a beauty of a pass to Welbeck.
He was terrible by his standards. If he hadn't scored then I'd say it was the worst performance that I've seen from him. I'm not saying that everyone else is perfect with their passing, but most would have put that pass on a plate for Welbeck 9/10 times, it was an easy pass.
That cross field ball was the exception rather than the rule. If you can't see that Hernandez's passing, and a few other attributes, are currently below par then there isn't much I can say. It's quite obvious. Thankfully, his game doesn't rely on this in the slightest, though our attack is better if both our strikers are comfortable/dangerous on the ball.
I thought you said vs Everton.
I like how easily he seems to control the ball.
at Brwnd quoting the exact same posts to say the same thing as KM.What sort of logic is that? Are you saying that it's ok to hate one of your own players but if he comes good then feel free to change your mind?
I'm saying, "who currently hates him"? It's a pretty simple question really.
And yes, often players can look like they have a shit attitude and are disliked by their own fans, only to win them around later on. It's not just fecking logic, it's the human condition.
My point was about needing Hernandez in tight games. What he did vs Everton was invaluable. He made our dominance count. Which is important in tough matches. I have little doubt he'd have done the same if we had played him vs City from the start.
It was scholesy if I can remember correctly.
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