Evra accuses Suarez of racist remarks | Suarez guilty of racial abuse

UTD_FEVER said:
Same here, thanks.






You could use this in the direct opposite view. Before that exchange happened there is a video that shows Evra falling to the floor and rolling when Suarez hadnt touched him. Clearly he's also trying to get the other player booked. So its unfair to point the finger one way but not the other.

When he was trying to pat him on the head, thats a term of friendship many people use, especially on the field. You'll see this everywhere when they're trying to be nice or polite after something like a bad tackle etc. He saw Evra was getting pissed, looked confused, and to me it looked like he was trying to calm him down.
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I haven't claimed Evra was trying to calm the situation. They were both in a heated argument, having a go at eachother. I highly doubt Evra referred to Suarez's skin colour or ethnicity though.

A pat on the head can also be a very condescending gesture, especially when combined with a reference to skin colour. May explain why Evra threw the hand away. It's certainly not an appropriate action after a heated exchange. A bad tackle between two well meaning rivals is a different situation.
 
UTD_FEVER said:
You're making it sound like every derby game every player tries to get the other person sent off and noone is friendly. If this was how things were I would of stopped watching this sport. So I'll be going along with B).. I'd rather not think of football in such a disgusting unsportsmanlike fashion.
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That's fine and, after all, you may well be correct in your thinking. Personally, I wouldn't go so far as to state that football is 'disgustingly unsporting' these days; but it is undoubtably a more professional game now - in the business sense of 'professional', with its traits of active ruthlessness leading to those all-important results...only results, not conduct, appear to matter, regardless of how they are achieved.
 
UTD_FEVER said:
You're making it sound like every derby game every player tries to get the other person sent off and noone is friendly. If this was how things were I would of stopped watching this sport. So I'll be going along with B).. I'd rather not think of football in such a disgusting unsportsmanlike fashion.
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Not every player, but certainly most in this particular Derby.
 
I can't be bothered to look, but seeing what UTD_FEVER is doing here, arguing the case for the defence as that's what he really believes, is anyone on a Liverpool forum suggesting that maybe Suarez was wrong or are they all totally blinkered?
 
UTD_FEVER said:
Well I dont see why he would make it up since he even said the word he used, which is different. Why lie about it then give the truth at the same time? I honestly can see them saying it. No different to saying chav or anything else etc. No UTD player has come out and said they dont say it. I'd expect them to be angry if it was a lie.
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Terry threw out a lie while telling some of the truth, not that far fetched. Most people will make their mind up before there is a verdict anyway, so lying early can win you the PR battle. Even if Suarez is found guilty, many people will claim he's innocent and repeat misinformation to support it.

UTD_FEVER said:
One rule for one people but not the other. Thats what bugs me. Also last I checked football is a multicultural sport. I think its unfair that english overrules everything else.
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Negrito, if that is the word he used, is a term of endearment, like Nigga. It's used with people you know very well. But the meaning is thus very different if you don't know them well, just like noting a person is black isn't offensive, but calling someone a 'black bastard' is racist. There are many words and phrases whose meaning changes based on context.
 
Irwinwastheking said:
I can't be bothered to look, but seeing what UTD_FEVER is doing here, arguing the case for the defence as that's what he really believes, is anyone on a Liverpool forum suggesting that maybe Suarez was wrong or are they all totally blinkered?
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I've seen a few who comment on the negrito word saying they can understand what he was getting at when saying it but that because of the whole english language stigma he shouldnt of done it. No different to here really. Some people say its not as bad as its being made out to be, others saying Suarez should be set on fire and not pissed on.
 
gooDevil said:
Terry threw out a lie while telling some of the truth, not that far fetched. Most people will make their mind up before there is a verdict anyway.
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We're talking about a guy who cheats on his wife with his friends wives. He should by default be charged with even the smallest of rumours. He's total scum.
 
Not to defend Terry, but Bridge had already broken up with the girl when Terry cheated on his wife with her, right? Not that it makes much difference, still, most people in a marriage will commit adultery at some point.
 
UTD_FEVER said:
We're talking about a guy who cheats on his wife with his friends wives. He should by default be charged with even the smallest of rumours. He's total scum.
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Thank you for wasting our time.
I'm out.
 
UTD FEVER is a wum in my opinion, cultural difference my anus...
 
UTD_FEVER said:
Well I dont see why he would make it up since he even said the word he used, which is different. Why lie about it then give the truth at the same time? I honestly can see them saying it. No different to saying chav or anything else etc. No UTD player has come out and said they dont say it. I'd expect them to be angry if it was a lie.
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Wait, you are saying that all, or loads of United players go around calling Evra that, on the basis that no United player as come out and said "I don't refer to Evra as a........" What kind of messed up logic is that?
 
SteveJ said:
Thank you for wasting our time.
I'm out.
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You know you have fecked up when Stevej has had enough. Stop with the nonsense posts, the Terry one is just ridiculous.
 
I wonder how much it costs to get a character reference from Gus Poyet? This could be a deadly weapon for revenge on one's enemies facing criminal prosecution or CV references.
 
Apparently Keano has just popped this gem out in defence of Evra after Poyet's statement :lol:

Roy Keane : ''I didn't rate Gus Poyet as a player, I don't rate him as a manager and I never will rate him as a human being.''”
 
The Keane line about Poyet is just a re-hashed version of part of his rant against McCarthy, he hasn't actually said it.
 
dropped out of the discussion earlier when it was obvious UTD_FEVER was full of shit. is he still at it?
 
Andersonsonson said:
Apparently Keano has just popped this gem out in defence of Evra after Poyet's statement :lol:

Roy Keane : ''I didn't rate Gus Poyet as a player, I don't rate him as a manager and I never will rate him as a human being.''”
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that looks like a rehash of the mccarthy statement.
 
Legend16 said:
dropped out of the discussion earlier when it was obvious UTD_FEVER was full of shit. is he still at it?
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He's been banned which, in Latin culture, means he's been promoted to Admin.
 
I very much doubt Keano will ever come out and say he doesn't rate anyone as a manager again, even in jest. The comebacks would be too obvious and painful.
 
SteveJ said:
He's been banned which, in Latin culture, means he's been promoted to Admin.
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amusing to think he's probably run back off to rawk talking about how he was winding us all up here when really all he got was the sort of considered discussion you would never see over there. some even agreed with parts of his 'argument'. no one got wound up and most just thought ah feck it youre an idiot.
 
gooDevil said:
Negrito, if that is the word he used, is a term of endearment, like Nigga. It's used with people you know very well. But the meaning is thus very different if you don't know them well, just like noting a person is black isn't offensive, but calling someone a 'black bastard' is racist. There are many words and phrases whose meaning changes based on context.
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This.

Let's say Suarez didn't intend to be insultive. A normal reaction would be to apologize or explain to the "victim" his real intention. There is plenty of time for him to do this but as far as I remember I saw none of this from him. He must clearly understand that a "tap" on Evra's is not going to help the situation.

Then Liverpool's and Dalglish reaction. Accusing Evra. Leaking information and defending their player without thinking of the long term concequenses. Not once along the way I see any moments of balance and sense.

I talked today with one of my best friends, a die hard Pool supporter, and he had the same approach. No mercy just blame Evra.

Why is it so hard for the Suarez camp to see the incident without a tribal view? One easy "forgive me I was wrong" and this would be more or less over.

Talk about a lose and lose situation.
 
7even said:
This.

Let's say Suarez didn't intend to be insultive. A normal reaction would be to apologize or explain to the "victim" his real intention. There is plenty of time for him to do this but as far as I remember I saw none of this from him. He must clearly understand that a "tap" on Evra's is not going to help the situation.

Then Liverpool's and Dalglish reaction. Accusing Evra. Leaking information and defending their player without thinking of the long term concequenses. Not once along the way I see any moments of balance and sense.

I talked today with one of my best friends, a die hard Pool supporter, and he had the same approach. No mercy just blame Evra.

Why is it so hard for the Suarez camp to see the incident without a tribal view? One easy "forgive me I was wrong" and this would be more or less over.

Talk about a lose and lose situation.
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Bang on really.
 
Andersonsonson said:
Apparently Keano has just popped this gem out in defence of Evra after Poyet's statement :lol:

Roy Keane : ''I didn't rate Gus Poyet as a player, I don't rate him as a manager and I never will rate him as a human being.''”
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As Abraham Lincoln once said, 'never believe quotes you find on the internet'.
 
7even said:
This.

Let's say Suarez didn't intend to be insultive. A normal reaction would be to apologize or explain to the "victim" his real intention. There is plenty of time for him to do this but as far as I remember I saw none of this from him. He must clearly understand that a "tap" on Evra's is not going to help the situation.

Then Liverpool's and Dalglish reaction. Accusing Evra. Leaking information and defending their player without thinking of the long term concequenses. Not once along the way I see any moments of balance and sense.

I talked today with one of my best friends, a die hard Pool supporter, and he had the same approach. No mercy just blame Evra.

Why is it so hard for the Suarez camp to see the incident without a tribal view? One easy "forgive me I was wrong" and this would be more or less over.

Talk about a lose and lose situation.
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exactly. why is it so hard for everyone associated with liverpool to accept that a white man calling a black man any variation of negro in an argument may lead to that black man being offended. its a shameful reaction from them and calling for him to be prosecuted when they know the term was used, is disgusting. shower of wankers
 
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