Berbatov | Fulham player

Livvie said:
Back up for Rooney?

Apparently not. He didn't even get on as a sub.

Keeping him is plain selfish.
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Which was very surprising i'd say. If we were playing a lone striker, should have been berba. Even if it was welbeck, berba should have come on much earlier. I agree with you there.

See, SAF has always liked to have 4 strikers. Its just that Rooney always plays if fit which leaves us to rotate 3 for 1 slot. 2 of them being young kids who SAF can mould into future stars, they tend to get preferred specially welbeck who's had a very good season so far.
 
EricaNo7 said:
I really couldn't see the point of giving him two minutes - what was the point in that?
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Absolutely. Two minutes was the equivalent of nothing. How could he change a game in two minutes. It happens - but how often? It was pointless.
 
Livvie said:
Berbatov's career is coming to an end. Does he want to spend what time he has left on the scrap-heap?
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Being a backup at Man Utd isn't exactly tantamount to be on a scrap heap though is it. For all we know, Fergie makes these decisions based on information we don't have.
 
evra said:
Personally I think he's been handled terribly by SAF. Look at the end of December; he started three league games in a row and scored in all of them (six goals in total). Then he starts the next game against Newcastle and SAF gives him 50mins before taking him off, hadn't he earned a little more faith than that? He's played 2 minutes since then and frankly I wouldn't blame him if he handed in a transfer request and made a big scene like any other player would do in his situation.

To his enormous credit he has been a model pro since arriving at Utd, all this in spite of getting little support from the fans or barely any faith from a manager who clearly believed he was once worth £30 million. He won the golden boot last season and was instrumental in our 19th title and still he wasn't assumed to be first or even second choice at the start of the season, it's an absurd situation.
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Ferguson gave Berbatov every opportunity in the world to cement himself as a first team player at United. Even though he was dross at times in his first season, SAF persisted in picking him. Most of it was fine up until the end of 09/10 when he failed to score in far too many big games. He has ever right to distrust a player that hasn't delivered when the pressure has been on.


It's not absurd when he was 3rd choice for the last half of last season. We play better football without him than with him.
 
Raoul said:
Being a backup at Man Utd isn't exactly tantamount to be on a scrap heap though is it. For all we know, Fergie makes these decisions based on information we don't have.
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It is if you're not playing!

And yes, Fergie may make decisions based on info. we don't have. Again, that's why I said that Saliph's opinion might be wrong.

But as we don't have any such info, that's why the idea that Berba has been treated like shit is understandable.
 
Would be perfect to start him on tuesday, he's good in those matches. And we should be careful with Welbeck after playing so much of late, no more injuries for him please. Berbatov and Rooney from start.
 
EricaNo7 said:
just wondering what information Fergie could possibly have to make him treat him in such a cavalier fashion?
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I dont get this. He has not been poorly treated at all. We look a much better team with Rooney playing behing either of welbeck or hernandez to be fair to Sir Alex. Yesterday i agree he should have played a bigger role, but perhaps SAF is preserving him for the game vs stoke?
 
EricaNo7 said:
He should have been on yesterday, but he wasn't
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True but i understand the decision to opt for welbeck as a lone striker.
With old legs in midfield we could not afford to play with 2 strikers up front. So we had to play with one striker up front - and welbeck is more suited to that game because of his pace as well as his recent form.
If we started with a 'slow' lone forward as berbatov, liverpool defence could afford to play as high as they d like.
Moreover i m under the impression that Fergie has decided that welbeck and rooney are the future....
 
Varun_Utd said:
I dont get this. He has not been poorly treated at all. We look a much better team with Rooney playing behing either of welbeck or hernandez to be fair to Sir Alex. Yesterday i agree he should have played a bigger role, but perhaps SAF is preserving him for the game vs stoke?
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you don't think he's been poorly treated? it's been embarrassing this last few months
 
marchi-91 said:
Ferguson gave Berbatov every opportunity in the world to cement himself as a first team player at United. Even though he was dross at times in his first season, SAF persisted in picking him. Most of it was fine up until the end of 09/10 when he failed to score in far too many big games. He has ever right to distrust a player that hasn't delivered when the pressure has been on.


It's not absurd when he was 3rd choice for the last half of last season. We play better football without him than with him.
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Everybody knows this, the question that is baffling most people is why keep a player on huge wages when you have no serious intention of playing him?

We can speculate about Fergie's secret info or whatever, but that is the bottom line. We are paying Berba £100k a week to not even feature in the vast majority of games.

I would have to call that bad management until we have a better explanation. I find it unacceptable to keep any player who is not going to be used. It is a waste of a squad place, which could be occupied by someone who he actually does want to play.

It's almost like a child who doesn't want to part with his most expensive toy, even though he doesn't play with it anymore. He doesn't really want it, but he doesn't want anyone else to have it even more. :D
 
EricaNo7 said:
just wondering what information Fergie could possibly have to make him treat him in such a cavalier fashion?
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There may not be any. My point was that fans probably only see a percentage (matchdays and interviews) of the over equation.
 
Livvie said:
It is if you're not playing!

And yes, Fergie may make decisions based on info. we don't have. Again, that's why I said that Saliph's opinion might be wrong.

But as we don't have any such info, that's why the idea that Berba has been treated like shit is understandable.
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A better argument could be made for Hernandez, who also had a fantastic year last year and since he's not nearing the end, does require more match time to develop.
 
EricaNo7 said:
you don't think he's been poorly treated? it's been embarrassing this last few months
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Depends on how you look at it. Look at it purely from the number of minutes he's got and yes, its been very less specially considering how he's played when given the chance.

But, as i see it, which i think is the case. Rooney is a cert starter when fit. he's hardly rested. Which leaves 3 others vying for the other slot. welbeck and hernandez are more suited how partnering rooney and thus get the nod more often. also, their age and the fact that they are long term prospects, make them a better alternative to berba. Berba i reckon, is now just a backup to rooney. He'l occasionally partner him but it'l be welbeck and chicha on most occasions.
 
I don't think hes been treated that badly, I mean hes got what less than 6 months left on his contract and as yet no new deal signed and reports his agent is offering him around to other clubs, its understandable that we want to give oppourtunities to someone like Wellbeck instead. And hes simply never been consistant enough for us.
 
marchi-91 said:
Ferguson gave Berbatov every opportunity in the world to cement himself as a first team player at United. Even though he was dross at times in his first season, SAF persisted in picking him. Most of it was fine up until the end of 09/10 when he failed to score in far too many big games. He has ever right to distrust a player that hasn't delivered when the pressure has been on.


It's not absurd when he was 3rd choice for the last half of last season. We play better football without him than with him.
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Call me cynical but I think that the club would rather Berba left now or at the end of the season for a fee rather than stay another year and leave for nothing. Are we really going to be able to give a 31 year old Berba a lucrative contract? It certainly seems that he is being frozen out. Perhaps it is from his Champions League final tantrum, there has to be a reason for it because he is arguably a better player than Hernandez and Welbeck.
 
There was no CL final tantrum. He was disappointed to be left out, i'd be shocked if he wasnt. You dont want players who dont give a feck anyways. and i dont think he's better suited to how we play than welbeck and chicha either, specially as a partner to rooney.

I agree on the fee bit. there's no way we'l let him go for free.
 
Jimy_Hills_Chin said:
Perhaps it is from his Champions League final tantrum, .
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I must have missed that one.

I'm not even a huge Berba fan - I always thought Tevez was more useful. But the beginning of last season was possibly his best. Strange that Fergie chose then to drop him, and not in previous seasons when he'd been far more inconsistent.
 
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Happy Berbday.
 
kouroux said:
If I was him I'd have wanted to leave the club this transfer window but many other things need to be taken into account
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welbeck form made him hard to be dropped, Berba is happy to be part of our team why is it some people here are so eager for him to leave?

hernandez is struggling at the moment and owen is a sicknote. we should be thankful we still have berbatov.
 
EricaNo7 said:
you don't think he's been poorly treated? it's been embarrassing this last few months
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No.

He's the fourth striker at the club, a position he earned by not stepping up in big games. He'll play against smaller clubs and he'll score goals against them in bunches.

It's really no different than the way Tevez was treated when Berba was signed. It's the life of a striker. If he doesn't like it, he can move on.
 
Livvie said:
I must have missed that one.

I'm not even a huge Berba fan - I always thought Tevez was more useful. But the beginning of last season was possibly his best. Strange that Fergie chose then to drop him, and not in previous seasons when he'd been far more inconsistent.
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Exactly - he was flying until Rooney decided we were actually good enough for him afterall, and that was curtains for Berbatov. Funny how people tolerate Rooney's inconsistency but not Berbatov's - and let's face it, Rooney has been bobbins lately. Whatever, I'm loathe to criticise the greatest manager ever, but he has made some strange decisions lately.
 
With little more than half the season to go, i am backing berbatov to make a huge impression on our ability to retain the EPL.
 
Strange thing about Berbas situation is that he has usually been pretty good when given the chance for a long time now. Atm I wouldn't say the same about Chicharito, who has (despite scoring some goals) looked off form.

Berba has been a model pro though, and I have a lot of respect for how he has handled being a back up. I'd love for him to get more involved. In terms of ability and skill, he is our second best striker (IMO), and hopefully he'll be able to show that in the run in.
 
Kelvin said:
welbeck form made him hard to be dropped, Berba is happy to be part of our team why is it some people here are so eager for him to leave?

hernandez is struggling at the moment and owen is a sicknote. we should be thankful we still have berbatov.
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I'm not eager for him to be sold, you misunderstood what I said.If I was as talented as him, I'd be wanting to play more whether at United or elsewhere.
It doesn't mean I want him to go,I thought that was obvious but with some people, everything needs to be precised
 
No bump for this?
Thought he was very good.
Customary sitter missed, but was very good throughout the game. Did his bit tracking back and winning the ball too.
 
prateik said:
No bump for this?
Thought he was very good.
Customary sitter missed, but was very good throughout the game. Did his bit tracking back and winning the ball too.
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Yep. Good game and really proves he should be getting a lot more games.
 
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