Yeah, can't see him wanting to move to a relegation threatened club just yet, he still has a lot more to offer; his wage demands obviously being the stumbling block. I find it quite astonishing that there isn't more interest from Germany, though his former club Bayer Leverkusen already stated he's out of their reach wage wise. 100k a week is a lot for most Bundesliga clubs.
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He's 31 though, surely he should be willing to take a pay cut to play games. No club will offer him 100k now.
I had expected PSG to go for him, but they went a level above and bought Ibra instead.
I had expected PSG to go for him, but they went a level above and bought Ibra instead.
If I was him I would just reduce my wage demands. I would rather get paid very good money and play football than get paid astronomical amounts and sit on the bench losing value. Not just from an ideological, football > money perspective either, though that too. But just because if he had to sit on the bench or in the reserves for us for another season, people may be even less enthusiastic next summer. He needs to be playing. Maybe a short contract on much more moderate wages will encourage someone to give him one last decent contract after that.
We should have cut our losses and let him leave on a freebie instead of activating the extension in his contract. This whole saga is a bit off key.
QPR want him according to the Times.
Hughes is playing FM like at City.
Dj Campbell, Mackie, Hulse, Helguson, Cisse, Zamora, Bothroyd, Johnson.
Now Berbatov they're after? No doubt that a few of those will probably leave if a good offer comes in though.
I wouldn't drop my wage. at 31, the money is more important, furthermore one more year and he'll be free to pick wherever he wants to go.
Also, even if he dropped his wage, a club the size of us won't be in for him.
If I was berba, i'd let fergie know i'm not going anywhere so shove it.
I imagine his thinking will be more in line with yours.
I do stand by my opinion on this though. We are not talking about accepting poverty to play football. We are talking about the difference between being very rich, and stupidly rich. If he dropped his wage demands he could still make a lot of money but he would be playing football. And I think that would help him in the longer term, as well, as I said. He tells SAF he isnt leaving, he will end up in the reserves for another year. And then what? We are only asking for a token sum for him, the reason people arent interested isnt because we want £5m for him, it is because of the wages, and because he isnt playing. Neither of those factors will have changed in a year, and the latter issue will be even more of a factor. No competitive football for 2 and a half years, that is the situation he will probably find himself in if he leaves it till next summer. It will be quite something to come back from that.
All of that is the important stuff. The less important issue is that the man presumably loves football, he should do what it takes to get back to that while he still can, make the most of the time he has left in the game. But that last bit I know is naive, which for me sums up what is what is wrong with the game.
I do stand by my opinion on this though. We are not talking about accepting poverty to play football. We are talking about the difference between being very rich, and stupidly rich. If he dropped his wage demands he could still make a lot of money but he would be playing football. And I think that would help him in the longer term, as well, as I said. He tells SAF he isnt leaving, he will end up in the reserves for another year. And then what? We are only asking for a token sum for him, the reason people arent interested isnt because we want £5m for him, it is because of the wages, and because he isnt playing. Neither of those factors will have changed in a year, and the latter issue will be even more of a factor. No competitive football for 2 and a half years, that is the situation he will probably find himself in if he leaves it till next summer. It will be quite something to come back from that.
All of that is the important stuff. The less important issue is that the man presumably loves football, he should do what it takes to get back to that while he still can, make the most of the time he has left in the game. But that last bit I know is naive, which for me sums up what is what is wrong with the game.
i'd blame fergie for extending his contract rather than berba.
Fergie thought he'd be 'cute' in the market and make a few quid.
If it was a pure football decision, fergus would've let berba walk instead of trying to get 5 quid for him.
So you think he should stay on in spite? And waste another year of his career?
Yeah great idea.
There's truth in that. But again, I dont think the £5m is really the issue.
Either way, we are where we are, and it is Berbs' career on the line here, not SAF's. So the blame game is a little pointless. Establishing that this is all SAF's fault is not going to get Berbs the move he wants or needs. Only he can do that.
can't get a game here , can't sell him. 30m 3-4 yrs ago - now 5m. over paid for him. didn't work out here but ffs all the berba boys saying clubs would be lining up. where are they?
Well we probably could have sold him last season, coming of the back of top scorer in the league and with 2 years on his contract but we decided to keep him for no real reason, Fergie was clearly intent on going with Welbeck and Hernandez, and basically let him spend a year on the bench. No he's unhappy, we clearly don't need him or want him and he's on large wages. So there's nothing in our favour here to make clubs pay much or meet our valuation. Makes more sense to wait and lower our bargaining position and also make Berba more inclined to lower his wages.
Okay, I'm beaten. The fact clubs aren't willing to pay big money and wages for a 30 years old, forgotten striker convinced me. He's 7 times shitter than Andy Carroll, who was bought for 35 mln. How on earth was he top scorer the season before last? He's so shite nobody wants him.
Didn't work out but I think we pretty much payed the right amount for him. How are you sure no one is interested?
Funny because in his first season at the club a lot of people were saying he's better than Zlatan.
That's indeed funny. I always thought that he is not anywhere near Ibra's quality and this comparisons looked stupid to me. But maybe those fans have finally started to understand that Berbatov is not that good as they think, because clearly he is not rated that much outside of a group of United fans.
But on the other side I think that for 5M, Berbatov could become a decent signing considering that his game was never affected by his speed and his work rate wasn't high even when he was younger. I think that he could become a starter for most of the second tier clubs while he can do a good job as squad player at Barca and Juve too.
Funny, I think the majority thought Ibrahimovic was better.
https://www.redcafe.net/f7/berbatov-vs-ibrahimovic-209988/
Worth noting that for all your comments mocking those who say Berbatov's a fantastic player, you called him a fantastic player in that very thread.
I doubt more than 10% of caf posters said that.
Of course, if we didn't extend his contract and Berba left on a free you'd "blame fergie" for that too. Being wise after the fact is easy, eh?
Not exactly since I was probably one the biggest anti-berbatov posters on here before he was even signed...behind johnno of course .
If fergie let berbatov leave on a free this summer, I would have said "well in, we won a trophy this season fergie!"
Another possible destination marked off He'll end up staying, wont he? Not that I dont like him or anything, its the opposite. I wantto see him play every week, which just wont happen here.
He'll end up staying, wont he? Not that I dont like him or anything, its the opposite. I wantto see him play every week, which just wont happen here.What does that have to do with calling him a fantastic player after not being able to get a game at United and the likes of Galatasaray not wanting him at £5 million? A sensible person adjusts their opinion.
Pretty sure Berbatov was compared with Ibrahimovic in many other threads, like the one tracking our interest in him. And lots of people were saying hes better than Zlatan. Its not too surprising because he was just becoming our player and that makes him better, like Cleverley.
So we can't get rid. But we're not the only one struggling to offload players.
yeah, this transfer window has been dead so far
I still rate Berbs... he still could be very useful to us... he's still my favourite player in Manchester United... i'm really unpleased with not seeing him play last season.
This transfer is going to drag on for a while. The problem isn't his wages, its the fact that he wants to play somewhere decent that has Champions League football and so far no club like that has shown any interest. Maybe as time goes on, his standards will lower. If he were solely looking for money, I'm sure he'd of gone to China or MLS by now.
How do you know? Last year all the noises were that PSG were very interested and AC Milan have been linked with Berba recently. If I was Berbatov I wouldn't want to drop out of football's elite either, god knows he doesn't deserve to. He is still our second best striker and one of the most technically gifted players at Utd; why the hell should he go and play for QPR?
I think it's a case of:
He'd play for a good UCL club for reasonable wages.
Or
He'd play for a reasonable club for good UCL wages.
Basically doesn't fancy an average club for average wages and the right offer hasn't come in yet.
He'd play for a good UCL club for reasonable wages.
Or
He'd play for a reasonable club for good UCL wages.
Basically doesn't fancy an average club for average wages and the right offer hasn't come in yet.
Because nobody else fecking wants him.
If we'd sold him, not replaced him, went with one of Welbeck and Hernandez alongside Rooney, with those as our only forward options, and the Welbeck gamble hadn't have worked out everyone would be qustioning why Ferguson let Berbatov go. He was kept for security, in case the gamble on Welbeck didn't work out, and as an option. Looks straightforward and makes sense to me.
He should have been used at times last season, and i'd still keep him here and play him next season. What's £4/5million anyway? feck all. It doesn't even buy you a prospect for the academy these days, apparently.
So not only do they not gain 4 or 5 mill but they also have to pay a further 12 month salary, for a reserve.
Sounds like a plan
You can tell me that thanks to your insider knowledge of Manchester United's (notoriously secretive) transfer dealings can you? Even you would have to admit that the majority of clubs in Europe would love to have Berbatov in their side. The thing is there is a big difference between wanting a player and entering into serious negotiations to purchase a player when Berbatov will demand to be paid a wage commensurate with his considerable ability. The transfer market is pretty lifeless at the moment anyway.
Sure £5million doesn't buy you a trainee for the academy these days Randall, so it's use for feck all.
He shouldn't have been a reserve last year in my opinion, he was joint top scorer in the league the season before. He should be playing games.
He's trying to buy players of a standard better than they have. And most of those aren't his signings.
Four strikers is ideal - Zamora, Johnson (regularly injured) Cisse and Berbatov would do QPR nicely if they want to push on.
You don't pick a player just because he's on big wages.
Redundant at United for me now. Fergie wants the team to play quickly on the break and he just slows play down.
Time to move him on.
Yeah well his so called 'considerable ability' got him a bench warming seat for the last year and a half. Nobody wants him because they know that Sir Alex doesn't trust him, so why in hell would they pay him anywhere near his current salary? If they loved him i'm sure they'd have bought him because it seems United are willing to let him go for a relatively low fee just to get him off their books.