If Cleverley starts it will be 5 steps back after our two steps forward.
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You think he'd fare worse than Fellaini in the first game? Is that even possible?
None of those above please. Jones > Fletcher > Cattermole > Cleverley > Charlie Adam > Fellaini.
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Smalling - Rio - Vidic - Evra
Kagawa - Carrick - Jones
Valencia - Rooney - Welbeck
Smalling - Rio - Vidic - Evra
Kagawa - Carrick - Jones
Valencia - Rooney - Welbeck
I'm not comparing to Fellaini in any way. I'm just talking about Cleverley and if he plays in midfield he will be anonymous and we will suffer because of it.
I'd rather Cleverley, Fletcher and Kagawa.
That's quite a nice line up to be honest. Thought I'd swap in Rafael.
Cleverley is the worst choice for tomorrow. We don't need some useless bastard hiding from the ball, running around the pitch like a headless chicken with the sole idea of always getting rid of the ball as soon as possible - preferably by passing it to the defenders and then immediately running forward as if he's on some autopilot mode. His possitioning is awful as well. He's the Buttner of the midfielders.
One foot wrong and we'll be punished tomorrow night. We need to perform at the right balance, as we did in the first leg. Defend like beasts and hit them with pace on the counter.
I want Smalling because he is the better defender. Rafael is a liabilty and he runs around like a headless chicken, just as he did four years ago when he got sent off against Bayern. We really need to defend with discipline if we are to stand any chance of progressing.
Smalling is the last person I'd play at right back - if Rafael is being overlooked for his defensive contribution then it has to be for Jones IMO. We have zero attacking threat down that side with Smalling on the right and it'll cause us more problems with his distribution.
Jones is perfect for a game like this IMO - he's not going to start at CB due to the performances of Rio and Vidic in the last game so right back might be a decent option if he's not in midfield (I think it's inevitable that Fellaini will start), Jones showed he's very capable at right back last week.
and then I read Fellaini didn't travel from the Fellaini thread, who knows then...
Jones is perfect for a game like this IMO - he's not going to start at CB due to the performances of Rio and Vidic in the last game so right back might be a decent option if he's not in midfield (I think it's inevitable that Fellaini will start), Jones showed he's very capable at right back last week.
and then I read Fellaini didn't travel from the Fellaini thread, who knows then...
Is Brock Lesnar available for tomorrow?
This, except wouldn't it be a more natural fit if you swapped Kagawa and Jones?
As for Rafael or Smalling at RB, the problem with Rafa isn't his defending so much as the likelihood of him losing his head. He has looked a liability discipline-wise in a few of his more recent games and there's no doubt that Bayern would target him. This is a game for players with ice in their veins, something Rafael most definitely is not. I'm not saying he shouldn't be picked but if he is I'll spend the whole game worrying for the lad.
With Fellaini out I'd probably like to play Jones in CM. That leaves Smalling at right back though and that just cannot happen. My team (probably not what Moyes will do) would be:
------De Gea------
Jones -- Smalling -- Vidic -- Buttner
-- Fletcher -- Giggs -- Carrick
-- Kagawa -- Rooney -- Welbeck
Or have Giggs out completely and play Shinji in the three with Valencia out wide.
------De Gea------
Jones -- Smalling -- Vidic -- Buttner
-- Fletcher -- Giggs -- Carrick
-- Kagawa -- Rooney -- Welbeck
Or have Giggs out completely and play Shinji in the three with Valencia out wide.
That is the prediction for the Bayern formation of the BILD - I guess that is just a little too offensive...
I wouldn't mind playing Smallings at right back. He is not shit at the defending part, he is bad going forwards. And in the last leg, our fullbacks weren't going forward and they wont in this leg too. So it wont matter. Playing Jones in the midfield would also be beneficial. He can sometimes bomb forward all alone and should be good at shielding the defence as he won't have to roam the whole match. Jones' positioning goes to shit when he is played box-to-box, which shouldn't be the role in this match as we won't see much of the ball. In case matters come down to going on an all out attack, we can sub Smallings for an attacker and play Jones/Valencia at RB.
Was so excited coming into this game but now, the inevitable is starting to sink in.
That is the prediction for the Bayern formation of the BILD - I guess that is just a little too offensive...
That is far too offensive for Bayern. That lineup could be good for us. We need to get the first goal and the cat will be set amongst the pigeons I feel.
We'll be up for this one, 1-0 Welbeck
That is the prediction for the Bayern formation of the BILD - I guess that is just a little too offensive...
Thats a great line-up for us, very attacking... Interesting to see if Moyes will go for that!
We'll win. Its only Bayern Munich.
So fellaini did not travel to Munich? someone please confirm
I think it will be similar. Got a feeling we will play Cleverly over Fletcher. Wouldn't mind seeing Jones play CM if Small if can play RB
Not sure if he flew out but he is 100% out of the team. Went off against Newcastle feeling dizzy, hasn't recovered apparently (wtf?)
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Grim. Warning lights in the cockpit, flight delayed for 30 mins.
Oh, I dream! But no matter what, I think we are in for a thriller at the Arroganz arena
I love these days, and I hate these days. Being at work, and then the wait for the game is excruciating. This season's been a weird ride, where I've gone from hope to despair (to use a bit of hyperbole), to apathy after the Fulham cross-fest. The hope is back. I genuinely believe that we will win tonight. This is going to be magnificent! Bring. It. On!
Funny isn't it I had got used to no expectation from Utd games, just supporting the team and trying to enjoy the game - now 'it's the hope that kills you'.
Couldn't sleep, up early, third cup of coffee of the day. Jeeez going to be a long one.
Head says 3-0 Bayern, heart says 2-2.
Disappointed Fellaini is out (genuinely... I thought despite mistakes, he upset them in the first leg).
Think our hopes may rest a lot on Welbeck. He plays out of his skin and we can hurt them.
Think our hopes may rest a lot on Welbeck. He plays out of his skin and we can hurt them.
Im elated he's out. Now we have a shot actually playing 11 on 11
Bring on ze Germans! If we win tonight, it'll be like a CL triumph for us was written in the stars. Let's fecking do this!
You and many others, I'm sure.
They will score, for sure, I don't have much confidence in our defence holding up consecutive games. If we get through I think it will be on a scoring draw on away goals.
We need to score the 1st goal. If they score 1st, we'l need to open up a lot and the chances of conceding a 2nd increases manifold. I expect Pep to setup in a way to have plenty of the ball and frustrate us thus egging us to be more adventurous. Score once and suddenly they need to look for a goal and we can nick one on the counter. We'l definitely need to score twice today though, cant see us keeping a clean sheet.
Really? At 0-0 we need to score one, or we go out. At 1-0 to Bayern, we need to score one, or we go out... I'm not sure there are too many occasions the opposition scoring first against us would be less significant.
I dont see us outscoring them but if we play to our strengths, I do see us at least matching their tally. A 2-2 draw would be grand, tonight.
The longer it is at 0-0, the more nervy it becomes for them as all we need is to sneak in 1 goal. If they score 1 early on, they'l relax a lot more and make it tighter. We'd then have to not just score ourselves but also look to keep it tight at the back to not be hit on the counter by Ribery/Robben. On paper, whether it be 0-0 or 1-0, we need to score once but in reality, the dynamics are different.
All true. I don't think it's as imperative as it is in most big games, though, really. I'd hope, at least, that if we concede first, in the first half, we wouldn't be trying to change anything purely as a result of the goal.
But all we need after they score is still just to sneak in 1 goal? Obviously it's never good to concede the first goal, but I won't become instantly pessimistic if we do.
It isnt imperative, no because of the 1st leg result but an early goal for either side will considerably change the game I feel because of the psychological impact of it.
I wont be pessimistic either but it would definitely calm their nerves. The longer its at 0-0, the nervier they'l become and the more we should fancy our chances.
Fair enough.
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