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Paul Pogba
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Unfortunately there isn't a time machine involved.
Even if we could get him for 50m and he became the worlds best it'd just be the biggest kick in the balls ever that we could've had him for free!
Why does everyone think he wouldn't like a return to one of the best clubs in the world?
His attitude towards us in the media I suppose? He hasn't been speaking highly of us now to be fair
. Anyway my view on him, I'd have him back in a heartbeat. Van Gaal will sort out his attitude, his potential is ridiculously high.If only this could happen, but some people here are beyond obsessed. I guess it's what the lack of a quality midfielder does to you
Was he directing his hate at us as a club or was it mainly targeted at Ferguson due to the poor treatment we showed him when he was here? In all fairness to us, we have a completely new coaching set up and we're undergoing a huge summer. Everyone knows we're not down and out just yet, this summer will be huge and players know that. I reckon he'd be open for a move back to us providing we get his wages on point.His attitude towards us in the media I suppose? He hasn't been speaking highly of us now to be fair
Chelsea wasted 80 Million on Shevchenko and Torres.....I think 60 million would be money well spent on Pogba....We could offer then Nani and Hernandez and 35 million..but will never happen
If he is open for a return we should do anything in our power to get him here, that much I hope for. We can without question offer better wages. He is fantastic, himself and Verratti will be the best midfielders in the world in a few years, would like one of them to be at United when they reach their peak. If we manage to get Strootman and Pogba, we'd have a very solid midfield. Add to that a centre back, Shaw and someone like Sanchez/Griezmann, we're good to go for the next season.
His attitude towards us in the media I suppose? He hasn't been speaking highly of us now to be fair
So's the price. Can't believe we'd want him back or that he'd consider it.
I could cope with the kick in the balls this would be because I think he will be one of the greats but I have more of a chance of playing for United than he does.
That's the market in today's world unfortunately.. Young talent= you pay the price. To be fair though, if we manage to get Shaw as well that would make; De Gea, Jones, Januzaj, Pogba, Shaw, all of them to be considered one of the best talents around. That is what united is about, transform young talented players into world-beaters. Van Gaal is an excellent coach and under his guidance, I can see them develop into brilliant players.
This season I would give him a 7/10. He wasn't as good as his first season, he relaxed a bit which is what happens to players in World Cup season, not many want to fully put their body out there. But with this kid you know what you are getting, one of the very best midfield talents around. The only issue is how long would he stay? After a few years would he feel the need to go to one of the superclubs (PSG, Real or even Barca) when those teams coming knocking for players from the continent there is little you can do. That is the only thing which would make me hesitate.
Van Gaal has a very good record in that department but I reckon Pogba's burned his bridges, especially as Fergie is still at the club. He's not exactly known for his forgiving nature. But who can say? Stranger things have happened.
I don't think we'll get him but it's hard not to admit, he'd be an incredible signing. Like I said before, if he is willing to move, we should really try to acquire his services. Ferguson's influence in regards to transfers is almost non-existent I would imagine, Van Gaal would not appreciate SAF telling him who he can't sign. Sure didn't Moyes admit Pogba was a target for this summer? Clearly SAF did not have much say in it, if he was one of our main targets.
As long as he doesn't bring that sleazy agent with him, that's fine. But you know he'll just piss of to Real or someone after a few good seasons.
Ya fair enough, they can arrest him at the border.
Trizy, we will have him for free, even if we spend 50M to get him. He won't cost a pound cause in three years he'll want us to sell him to Madrid and we might even make money.
So I guess it is something like a training fees to Juventus.
In another 2 years we will be clamoring for Hernandez return by paying another 35Mil and offering 2 more players.
Disagree, he was easily better this season than last, easily. He only tailed off in the last quarter of the season but his performances in the first 3/4 were that of an experienced top midfielder in the prime of their career. Week in week out, didn't give the likes of marchiso even a sniff of getting into the team ahead of him.
pay Juve whatever they want. if you can include Hernandez in the deal then all the better.
25m + Valencia + Andow + Hernandez should seal the deal IMO.
Not even a wee bit arsed about him.
We really should be focusing our attentions and investing elsewhere.
We really should be focusing our attentions and investing elsewhere.
If we did somehow get him back how long do you think he'd really last here, I'm talking about him being one of Raiola's clients. He'd want to sell him on as soon as possible, look what he does with Ibrahimovich and Balotelli they are usually at a club two years tops.
I'd take him for two or three years, without a doubt. It's time to dump the romanticism and idealism.
In fairness, Nedved was also Raiola's client and he only played for two clubs in the big leagues. He even went down with Juventus to Serie B. He also only left lazio because the club actively tried to sell him due to financial difficulties. He's also Hamsik's agent and he's been at Napoli for eons now.
I think this whole Raiola effect is well overblown especially on examination of the cases of his players moving around. Ibra left Ajax to go to a big club, fair move. Then Juve got demoted, he wasn't gonna play at serie b at that stage of his career. So he moved to inter. Then barca came calling at a time when they were the clear dominant force in world football. He then went back to italy because pep wanted to get rid of him. Milan wanted to get his wages off the books and decided to sell.
Ballotelli is a nutter as we all know. Followed his adopted dad to city and left cause he fell out with him too. I can't see how Raiola can be blamed for these situations on close examination.
Pogba's a 20yr old lad. I dont know why people assume agents can just talk players into anything. If Pogba comes here, it'l be his decision to leave or not when offers come in, not Riola's. If he's absolutely happy here and getting paid properly, Riola wanting a cut from a transfer wont make him move.
Since when was PSG a superclub? The moment the oil money runs out, or the owners get bored, they're stuck. Probable bankruptcy and would probably have to sell all their players.
Money wise and the fact he's French makes them a superclub from his POV. You could say that about Chelsea, City etc. These money men are here to stay unfortunately IMO.
For me I'd say his first half of the season was at a very high standard. He dropped off half way through for me. His impact wasn't as consistent as last season. Personally I feel he eased of the gas due to the World Cup. Many games he watched pass him by, I watched him 3 times in one week and he didn't impress in one game. But I would take him without a doubt.
Good point about Nedved, maybe he's more mature a person than his other clients.Robinho was a Raiola client at one point as well, he was shipped here there and everywhere as well.
Yaya Toure is 30 and he's having a hissy fit over his birthday, some people are quite easily led and I think pogba is one of them.Of course I'd have him back just as long as people realise he'll want out to City or Madrid in a few years.
Why do you think Pogba's one of them though? He's switched clubs twice and emotions aside, both have been absolutely great moves for his career. Toure behaving like a 5yr old girl doesnt mean anything. Actually, I dont think I've ever seen a more bizarre reason for wanting to switch clubs.
Other than Pogba, a lot of Raiola's clients have been stable at a club. The ones that did move to multiple clubs had a legit reason like Zlatan & Balotelli. If he was a leach on par with Zoorbachian, he'd have gotten Hamisk out of Napoli and paraded him around Europe a long time ago. If you read Zlatan's autobiography he just seems to fight stubbornly to get what his client wants, which is not a bad thing.
I can't claim to have any insight into pogba's personality and priorities, but I wouldn't hold the juve move against him regarding that. It was a sensible and smart move that did him a lot of good.
I can't claim to have any insight into pogba's personality and priorities, but I wouldn't hold the juve move against him regarding that. It was a sensible and smart move that did him a lot of good.
Robinho was never his client. He just represented Milan in the transfer of him from city.
Would also prompt some hard questions from the board.
Yaya Toure isnt as daft as you might think. People bang on as if agents can talk players into anything because they get a cut of the fee - forgetting that 90% plus of any wage rise goes in Toure's pocket, not the agent. As it is, Toure might just fancy living Paris rather than Manchester which for a French speaking player is understandandable, or maybe he just fancies a change. Its not all down to agents - that's a total myth. The players call the shots - the agent just lets them know whats out there.
Pogba is clearly a young man that knows his own mind. He moved to Juventus because he felt it represented a chance to play regularly - even though that was far from certain, and was right. If he comes back then great - but I'm not expecting him, or any player to commit his whole career to the club.
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Im not sure I would call it a myth. Not that I have any better insight into this than anyone else. But I think agents can be extremely influential and persuasive, not least because often footballers pay them to do their thinking for them. Obviously in many cases a player will have a strong opinion on where he wants to be and that will be decisive. Id imagine Toure would fit into that category. But I cant imagine it is rare for agents to talk footballers into moving when they may not have any particular desire to do so, precisely because they can make a lot more money for themselves by doing so. And while the agent only picks up a fraction of this fee, it is still well worth their while to encourage it.
Obviously agents are influential - they are in the business of convincing players to allow them to advise them on their futures and pay them for the privilege, but I personally think they get a bad rap in football in particular. Everyone assumes that they are only out for themselves - if that were the case, how long would they last managing top level players who can have any agent they choose?
The fact is, clubs would take advantage of players if they didn't have agents and the agent is there to get his client the best deal he can - but the current generation of players know better than anyone else what they're worth to the clubs. I'd question the suggestion that agents would, as a matter of course, convince a player to move simply to make a cut. I'd suspect the vast majority of players would see through that. The agent no doubt finds out what offers might be out there but ultimately changing clubs or countries is a big deal and players often have families to worry about rather than being happy to be unsettled and roaming the globe every couple of years. The player makes the ultimate decision.
Also, if a player is offered a huge pay rise to move on, or a massive signing on fee and he (and his family) fancy the move - how hard would the agent actually have to sell it to the player?
There will, undoubtedly be shady people involved in these kind of deals because that's the nature of the world where big sums of money are concerned, but having a player who knows his value and a good agent wouldn't automatically put me off signing him. Its the way football is now and the clubs make their fortunes off the backs of the players - its hardly surprising they would want a cut.
Pogba is a player who would be fantastic, even if he were only here for three or four seasons. The club would likely make a profit and have had the benefit of a superb player - just like iot did with Ronaldo.
Oh absolutely. Its always dangerous for one side to hold all the cards. Clubs can exploit players, as can agents. I dont think the agent has to sell a move to a player because both profit out of it, its win win, so I dont think the player feels exploited. And maybe it is in their interests to keep moving around endlessly, itll certainly earn them a lot of money to do that.
Have you read Rooney's Gold? Its about Stretford more than Rooney, almost. Its a very one-sided book but its very interesting. Its interesting in this context because it does not paint Stretford as exploiting Rooney at all, there is no suggestion he doesnt put his interests first. But at the same time it does show what parasites this people can be. It isnt the question of whether they will act on a player's behalf, it is the lengths they will go to to be the person who does act on their behalf. Its a seriously cut-throat world though, so it is no surprise you get some tough and shady characters operating in it.
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