As much as I wanted Moyes out of United (never wanted him in the first place) - the job was too big for him - he seems a decent bloke and I wish him well
What Now For Moyes?
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I wish him well also despite everything - but if he thinks that he can come back to his old club hunting for players like our Fellaini then he's very wrong 
Fellaini is such an important part of the team, that we'll never sell him for anything less than a really big offer
Fellaini is such an important part of the team, that we'll never sell him for anything less than a really big offer fixedI wish him well also despite everything - but if he thinks that he can come back to his old club hunting for players like our Fellaini then he's very wrong
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You're a tough negotiator. I hate oranges, but I couldn't turn down that offer for Fellaini if it were made - lets hope.
Yum!
If he gets the job it will be difficult, but if he learnt from his United stint, he might actually do a good job with them... if he goes to Turkey that is.
I'm surprised Gala are interested. Mancini, flawed as he is, had at least won a few things. They would be taking the gamble that someone who has built his career on being hard to beat can adapt to being in charge of a club that is expected to win. He demonstrated zero ability to make that transformation at United.
Not sure if serious! We'd probably give him the freedom of Old Trafford.I wish him well also despite everything - but if he thinks that he can come back to his old club hunting for players like our Fellaini then he's very wrong
Not that nonsense again! Giving Moyes credit for scouting hidden gems such as Herrera, Shaw, Fabregas and Kroos! Wait and watch: once we are successful again Moyes will come out stating how it was him who made United aware of that strange word called "rebuilding" of which we had never heard and therefore had never implemented prior to Moyes' arrival! In fact he will claim that how proud he is to have started our rebuilding and LvG ist just continuing it!
Wait and watch: once we are successful again Moyes will come out stating how it was him who made United aware of that strange word called "rebuilding" of which we had never heard and therefore had never implemented prior to Moyes' arrival! In fact he will claim that how proud he is to have started our rebuilding and LvG ist just continuing it!
Looking back at how limited Baines and Jagielka were in England's dismal World Cup, the question arises whether Moyes has ever scouted a truly top level player. Arteta is probably the nearest but even he is a level below the top tier. So much for the IPads...
I pointed this out on Everton forums a few years ago and the fact any successes he can claim have all been defenders. As you can imagine dogs abuse ensued although they've all changed their tune now.
There's an overflowing market of thousands of decent players, journeymen not quite up to the top level but can do a "job". Given he had 11 years and zero expectation beyond comfortable Prem existence that's what he did fill Goodison with them, some paid off just as many didn't.
It's why he's not a great manager this is the stuff of any cagey ordinary manager made worse by the fact his tenure was matched only by SAF and Wenger no one else in the game was given the stability and platform to build upon as he had. Something is fundamentally wrong if moderate success with defenders is your only high point.
But seeing his cack handed treatment of Rooney and Barkley I suspect he has issues with top level creative players.
Wonder how he would do at a club like Gala. The underdog mentality would certainly be out of place there, I reckon.
This will be fun
Was in the same flight as me today flying from Istanbul to manchester.looked like he was with his agent and was all smiles.
If Gala can appoint a man like Souness then appointing someone cut from the same cloth as Souness shouldn't be much of a problem to them. I'd say Galas interest in Moyes has far more to do with wanting to appoint a manager that may be able to land a few bargains from the English and Scottish leagues than actually wanting Moyes for his tactical nous or lack of it...If Moyes does go there and brings Fellaini with him then he may even earn a tiny bit of credit again with Unied fans
So much wrong with this post. What type of logic is this?
Surprised Gala are in for him tbh, hasn't won anything at all.
We need to present a coy, tough negotiating position to entice higher offers from perspective buyers - see for example how quickly my post brought-out that outstanding suggestion of a big orange for him. Basic negotiations.
I am saying that Moyes has no idea (or at least seriously underestimates) what type of qualities a player needs to play for a club like United - hence the ludicrous splurge on Fellaini, the willingness to spend big on an honest but limited trier like Baines and the rejection of Thiago. But I await your counter evidence to the post. I don't expect any real evidence because based in Moyes's career there isn't any.
Would be a strange move for moyes, I don't think he has the charisma, tactics or reputation to make an instant impact and that is exactly what would be required at that sort of job, he needs to go somewhere where he can build over a period of time and where the expectations aren't quite so high.
I really don't understand the nonsense from the mirror about how club should be grateful top moyes, all the players he supposedly identified are players everyone knew about and the club were well aware of anyway. I think the reason he had to spend so much time scouting was for his own benefit because he didn't have the awareness of confidence to go for them last summer and it was this attitude that caused us to miss out on players. These sort of articles don't do him any favours it's almost as bad as the one he wrote about saying why he didn't want fellaini to be his first signing.
I really don't understand the nonsense from the mirror about how club should be grateful top moyes, all the players he supposedly identified are players everyone knew about and the club were well aware of anyway. I think the reason he had to spend so much time scouting was for his own benefit because he didn't have the awareness of confidence to go for them last summer and it was this attitude that caused us to miss out on players. These sort of articles don't do him any favours it's almost as bad as the one he wrote about saying why he didn't want fellaini to be his first signing.
Moyes needs a group of players who will respect him. He didn't get that last year and was a dead man walking from the beginning.
Even Galatasaray are too big for him at the moment with his reputation torn to shreds. He needs to take a few steps back in order to move forward again. A year ago the Gala job would have been out of his Everton comfort zone. Now it's asking for disaster.
Even Galatasaray are too big for him at the moment with his reputation torn to shreds. He needs to take a few steps back in order to move forward again. A year ago the Gala job would have been out of his Everton comfort zone. Now it's asking for disaster.
I think there was obviously a reason for that. In the same way that Arsenal fans and players wouldn't accept it if George Graham came back and replaced Wenger and then suddenly decided to change the philosophy to containing teams instead of shredding them to pieces while trying to nick a 1-0 goal through a cross. Moyes greatest mistake was not having balls big enough to take any risks which led to an awful midfield signing and dour cautious tactics. He may have blown his chance to ever get another job with a big club again in England.
He needs another mid table side with stable ownership that he can develop. England, Holland, or Germany seem like viable destinations.
Read somewhere that Moyes approached Galatasaray initially, and both parties met to allow Moyes express his ideas and vision. He's still not their first choice though. So I wouldn't be surprised should he not receive the job, a lot of the fans are uninspired at the thought.
I guess Moyes is one of those players/managers now whose salary is too high for most teams to pay. If he fails at Gala, expect his next job to be in Russia, Qatar, or any country where there is a lot of money but that is not very attractive for top managers.
He was shown up at United and I don't seem him being the fancy of any top or even midtable clubs in the big leagues.
He was shown up at United and I don't seem him being the fancy of any top or even midtable clubs in the big leagues.
Who are the most disciplined teams in the EPL, who would benefit from the stodgy football of Moyes?
Galatasaray seems like a terrible idea for Moyes. He should probably just wait until some Prem team panics, fires their manager and he can take over at a club where he can keep them up and buy well cheaply.
Also sort of feel like he'd do okay in Italy, for some reason.
Also sort of feel like he'd do okay in Italy, for some reason.
Would he take a wage cut? Galatasaray starts making sense when you remember his wages. Not many clubs in Italy can pay his wages either.
How high were Moyes' wages?
Around 5m pounds. By comparison, Antonio Conte's new contract is only 3m euros. That's a 50% wage cut which would be the norm if Moyes was to coach in Italy or in Spain (except for the top 2).
I'm not sure how much Allardyce and Pardew make but a good guess would be around 2-3m pounds.
I think he'd be better served going back to his comfort zone of a decent mid table side but it looks like he still thinks he's good enough for big clubs.
I'd be very surprised if he got the Galatasaray job.
I'd be very surprised if he got the Galatasaray job.
1st class? Easyjet? I am curious!
It feels like he's taking advantage of his popularity as an ex-United manager. Its a cheap way of reaping people off. Whats with only considering jobs that offer CL?
He's not decisive and pragmatic enough for a top job. He should first expand his horizon, improve his competence before acting like a big shot.
He's not decisive and pragmatic enough for a top job. He should first expand his horizon, improve his competence before acting like a big shot.
Tbf good on him if he gets a job abroad. McClaren went up a lot in most estimations after failing in England by going to Holland to learn something new about the game and is now doing well for Derby.
First class.. Turkish airlines. Maybe using the miles he got when he was at United!!!..
Well if we are just judging people on how they perform at World Cups then by your logic Tim Cahill is a " truly top level player " after his performances at 2 world cups.
Cahill, really? He plays for a battling team of underdogs who put in a shift but don't really trouble the top teams. As for Baines, when a player has never played at Champions League level, tournament level international football seems a reasonable arena on which to judge their suitability for elite football. And the verdict on Baines is that Hodgson dropped a bollock in ending Cole's England career in favour of a decent premier league player who can't make the step up.
Cahill has scored in 3 differant World Cups playing for one of the weakest in the competition and he caused Holland and Chile enough problems so by default of not playing in the Champions League he must have been an elite player using your logic having proven himself at a 'reasonable arena'.