What I don't get about Perez is that his track record has clearly been a failure. I mean when you look at the years he has been president, Real have clearly underachieved and that's putting it mildly. Does he genuinely think that it's the fault of all those managers, coaches, players, tea ladies or whatever? I know successful businessmen tend to have a sizeable ego but it seems like he would realise sooner or later that maybe, just maybe he's been doing something wrong?
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So Zidane doesn't want De Gea and wants to stick with Navas? Starting to like him
That was the second sentence of my post, which I deleted for some reason.
I think he just loves being in power. I'm afraid he's never going to want to step down and we will need the yank army to get rid of another dictator.
I imagine that eventually they will come to an understanding in which Zidane will have to accept someone who does not like and vice versa.
What is curious is that Zidane is pointing to certain players as Benitez did. Isco yesterday, Kroos didn´t travel and now suddenly Casemiro returns to the team.
Maybe sooner or later the president will realize that the problems of lack of structure in the squad won´t change with Ancelotti, Rafa or Zizou.
Diego Torres also talked in El Pais about the problem of Kroos.http://deportes.elpais.com/deportes/2016/03/12/actualidad/1457811576_126711.html , sorry for the translation
" On May 13, 2015 , Álvaro Morata won the back to Kroos before putting the 1-1 that left Madrid out of the Champions League. On February 27, 2016 , Antoine Griezmann won the back to Kroos before putting the 0-1 that left Madrid without liga.
Madrid has an old problem in their midfield . Toni Kroos , playmaker signed in 2014 by the iniciative of the president Florentino Perezto solve that problem , it has not been , so far, the remedy. It has not been for Ancelotti , nor Benitez, nor Zidane , who since Feb. 27 is seeking alternatives that strengthen defensively the team. The German fell off the list against Celta, and this Saturday, before traveling to Las Palmas as well.
Carlo Ancelotti warned in the summer of 2014 that Madrid needed a midfielder of great athletic endurance to assist Alonso and Di Maria in the task of covering a midfield increasingly wide and long . He noted that Toni Kroos did not respond to that profile and could only hide his physical limitations acting ahead of the CBs , being the first passer.
The Italian coach was sacked but Rafa Benitez , his successor, had a similar opinion. " Ancelotti was right ," Benitez said in his penultimate press conference, after spending months advising the club to sign a midfielder with the profile of Casemiro , but technically better.
Benitez 's insistence was not completely ignored. Last October , following the instructions of the coach, Madrid instructed the technical secretariat to coordinate a series of reports to accurately diagnose the tactical problems that Benítez was referring. The secretariat asked several analysts who work for the club spread throughout América and Europe to cast their opinion in writing. The result surprised the leaders : everyone thought like Ancelotti.
Analysts said that if Madrid wanted to play with three attackers as vertical as Benzema , Bale and Cristiano , his midfield would enlarge increasingly for two reasons. First, because Benzema , Bale and Cristiano wouldn´t help their mates in the development and defense ; second , because the CB showed signs of aging (Pepe ) , wear (Ramos ) or confusion ( Varane ) , and were no longer able to pull the line so high. Experts said that to compensate the club should buy the best midfielders with a very definite athletic profile : people capable of traveling between 11 and 13 kilometers per game without exceeding the threshold of exhaustion . Valdebebas sources recall that Modric , James , Isco and Kroos can run more than 11 kilometers per game, as any professional . What they can not do so without losing lucidity.
In December the experts submitted a list of players who fit the profile recommended . A Madrid manager revealed that among them were N'Golo Kanté , of Leicester , and Vladimir Darida , Hertha . The same source says that this list displeased the leadership of the club because , in his opinion, did not include the true class footballer .
Two months after the ouster of his predecessor, Zidane makes use of Casemiro . Like Benitez, the French work an attempt to balance the team and find a place that can serve to Kroos as a playmaker , his natural position. Against Levante and Roma the german played as "volante" (I don´t know to translate, I think that is RCM) , as Ancelotti warned , there was forced to accompany the plays on offense and defense back , and this resulted in a greater waste of energy . Kroos finished the game against Levante lying on his back in the center circle and left the game lame and cramped."
Madrid has an old problem in their midfield . Toni Kroos , playmaker signed in 2014 by the iniciative of the president Florentino Perezto solve that problem , it has not been , so far, the remedy. It has not been for Ancelotti , nor Benitez, nor Zidane , who since Feb. 27 is seeking alternatives that strengthen defensively the team. The German fell off the list against Celta, and this Saturday, before traveling to Las Palmas as well.
Carlo Ancelotti warned in the summer of 2014 that Madrid needed a midfielder of great athletic endurance to assist Alonso and Di Maria in the task of covering a midfield increasingly wide and long . He noted that Toni Kroos did not respond to that profile and could only hide his physical limitations acting ahead of the CBs , being the first passer.
The Italian coach was sacked but Rafa Benitez , his successor, had a similar opinion. " Ancelotti was right ," Benitez said in his penultimate press conference, after spending months advising the club to sign a midfielder with the profile of Casemiro , but technically better.
Benitez 's insistence was not completely ignored. Last October , following the instructions of the coach, Madrid instructed the technical secretariat to coordinate a series of reports to accurately diagnose the tactical problems that Benítez was referring. The secretariat asked several analysts who work for the club spread throughout América and Europe to cast their opinion in writing. The result surprised the leaders : everyone thought like Ancelotti.
Analysts said that if Madrid wanted to play with three attackers as vertical as Benzema , Bale and Cristiano , his midfield would enlarge increasingly for two reasons. First, because Benzema , Bale and Cristiano wouldn´t help their mates in the development and defense ; second , because the CB showed signs of aging (Pepe ) , wear (Ramos ) or confusion ( Varane ) , and were no longer able to pull the line so high. Experts said that to compensate the club should buy the best midfielders with a very definite athletic profile : people capable of traveling between 11 and 13 kilometers per game without exceeding the threshold of exhaustion . Valdebebas sources recall that Modric , James , Isco and Kroos can run more than 11 kilometers per game, as any professional . What they can not do so without losing lucidity.
In December the experts submitted a list of players who fit the profile recommended . A Madrid manager revealed that among them were N'Golo Kanté , of Leicester , and Vladimir Darida , Hertha . The same source says that this list displeased the leadership of the club because , in his opinion, did not include the true class footballer .
Two months after the ouster of his predecessor, Zidane makes use of Casemiro . Like Benitez, the French work an attempt to balance the team and find a place that can serve to Kroos as a playmaker , his natural position. Against Levante and Roma the german played as "volante" (I don´t know to translate, I think that is RCM) , as Ancelotti warned , there was forced to accompany the plays on offense and defense back , and this resulted in a greater waste of energy . Kroos finished the game against Levante lying on his back in the center circle and left the game lame and cramped."
I think the president's commitment with De Gea will be stronger than the word of Zidane , but as we saw last summer , anything can happen
Must admit I was pretty skeptical about Zizou’s appointment at the time, after all his experience of being the main man was a whopping 41 matches at Castilla. Don’t know enough about Real’s ”reserve team", but I assume they had quite a young squad and thus struggled. Still, W18-D12-L11, 1.61 points per game, av. 1,49 goals scored and 1,12 conceded didn’t scream managerial potential.
Fast forward 4,5 months. Now Real of course have a great team with some exceptional players, but still I must say W21-D3-L2, 2.54 ppg, 2.63-0.67 goals is a wonderful performance. Add beating Roma, Wolfsburg & City on the way to the UCL Final and it’s looking quite good so far. Would be nice if this didn’t turn into another comparison between inexperienced managers & Giggs etc. How do Real fans rate him after that first half-a-year? @Vato @carvajal ?
TL;DR Zidane is doing well as a manager, stats-wise at least.
Fast forward 4,5 months. Now Real of course have a great team with some exceptional players, but still I must say W21-D3-L2, 2.54 ppg, 2.63-0.67 goals is a wonderful performance. Add beating Roma, Wolfsburg & City on the way to the UCL Final and it’s looking quite good so far. Would be nice if this didn’t turn into another comparison between inexperienced managers & Giggs etc. How do Real fans rate him after that first half-a-year? @Vato @carvajal ?
TL;DR Zidane is doing well as a manager, stats-wise at least.
Whether they win or lose today, he deserves to remain as manager. Although with Madrid and Perez, you never know, he may get the itch to sack him if Atletico prevail.
He's impressed me, for sure. I actually hope Real win tonight - for several reasons:
- I like Zidane and want to see him keep his job
- Obviously I would like Ronaldo to win the CL again and have a shot at the Ballon d'Or in January.. Viva @FC Ronaldo
- Maybe another CL win will keep Perez from obsessing about de Gea (Or maybe not, but one can hope)
- Don't like the whole "hipster-Go-Atleti" thing
- I like Zidane and want to see him keep his job
- Obviously I would like Ronaldo to win the CL again and have a shot at the Ballon d'Or in January.. Viva @FC Ronaldo
- Maybe another CL win will keep Perez from obsessing about de Gea (Or maybe not, but one can hope)
- Don't like the whole "hipster-Go-Atleti" thing
The biggest thing is he always recognised the role Makelele played in Real's success and how foolish it was to sell him back in the day so he puts Casemiro in to balance the midfield and win the ball back and he's Zinedine Zidane so even Perez can't tell him otherwise.
The balance in the midfield means Kroos and Modric can dictate play (when they played as a two I always wondered what the hell Kroos actually did) allied with the front three regaining form has led them to the CL final and obviously catching up with Barça and Atleti in La Liga.
Been a perfect appointment thus far and I don't think Perez would survive if he sacked him for not winning tonight. Zidane carries too much favour with Real's fans and he's too big of a personality and name to be sacked for losing one match.
The balance in the midfield means Kroos and Modric can dictate play (when they played as a two I always wondered what the hell Kroos actually did) allied with the front three regaining form has led them to the CL final and obviously catching up with Barça and Atleti in La Liga.
Been a perfect appointment thus far and I don't think Perez would survive if he sacked him for not winning tonight. Zidane carries too much favour with Real's fans and he's too big of a personality and name to be sacked for losing one match.
Hmm. That first paragraph isn't really true at all - you can hardly say Zidane always seen the value in Casemiro when he froze him out when he took over as manager - it wasn't until his 10th game as manager he accepted the Kroos-Modrić midfield wasn't working and started Casemiro.
He deserves credit for making the change, but he didn't always see it.
For what it's worth, I don't think Casemiro is good enough for Madrid. They need someone *like* him without actually being him. Like him being a defensive midfielder, but they could do a lot better. I don't think he really destroys play as well as he should given his lack of ability on the ball.
@top1whoisman I like him,he tries to play attacking and passing football but is not naive in a Jémez way,knows when the team has to gathering lines.Besides has promoted the hard work in training,playing Casemiro or Vázquez against City when James or Isco were available.Simple concepts but not so usual in Madrid considering how the board tries to interfere.I think that will be good for young players since gave many chances to Jesé(perhaps too many) and has been already announced that Lienhart,Odegaard and Tejero will be in the first team next year.I read in an article that he is a fan of Aimee Jacquet style and a school of a compact and strong midfield of three(I don't remember the name),for this maybe his obsession with Pogba and the uncertain future of the #10 in his team.
He is polite and humble in press conference.Yesterday he said that Madrid has to "correr,correr y correr"(run,run and run),maybe as a response to Atleti slogan "ganar,ganar y ganar" that said Aragonés and they repeat in the big games.
Anyway,the thoughts of the board and press change very quickly and perhaps more in 4 hours
He is polite and humble in press conference.Yesterday he said that Madrid has to "correr,correr y correr"(run,run and run),maybe as a response to Atleti slogan "ganar,ganar y ganar" that said Aragonés and they repeat in the big games.
Anyway,the thoughts of the board and press change very quickly and perhaps more in 4 hours
Indeed
Agree, it’s been almost a ballsy move to play Casemiro and leave the big-name signings, especially James on the bench. A simple solution from my (or yours) point of view, but in Real, as you said, no change is easy because of the politics. I guess we’ll learn more after a couple of transfer windows if (when) the board signs players he doesn’t want.
I like him a lot, but I'm obviously quite biased as he's always been one of my favourite players ever. I like the fact he has the balls to put big players on the bench and doesn't look like he'll just be the next Perez puppet.
He also beat Barca. At the Camp Nou! If he can add a win in the CL tonight it'll be a fantastic start to his career. I really hope it works out and he can stay put for a very long time.
Perhaps he didn't see the value in Casemiro individually but Zidane knows the need for a destroyer. I'm in agreement Casemiro isn't good enough but he does a decent enough job so that Kroos and Modric can do their jobs better.
Plus I'd wager he had to fight against Perez wanting him to play James or Isco.
Well I guess you don’t even have to be biased, understand that the general consensus in Madrid is that he’s doing a great job. Will be interesting to see how he handles the situation when he gets more players he wouldn’t want.
The good thing with our muppet president is that he mostly signs players every manager wants.
The good thing with our muppet president is that he mostly signs players every manager wants.
That’s if the fax is functioning.
It's not rocket science that having so many great players makes it easier to win games, Guardiola wouldn't have a 72% winrate if he had managed Espanyol and Augsburg until now. Luis Enrique have a 40% winrate at Roma (W17-D9-L16) and a 37% winrate at Celta Vigo (W15-D8-L18), yet now strangely enough it's on 78% at Barcelona.
Fair enough. I think it was right that Casemiro started, and he should start tonight. In the summer they should look for an upgrade though.
Up to some extent that is true. Still, has done better than Rafa did, no drama signs that I’d have heard of. Great players make it easier but that doesn’t mean that managers at big clubs flop, too. With such little experience I’d say Zizou has done well.
An upgrade on Casemiro? He's one of the better DM's around.
Sure, but it shouldn't be a surprise, that Zidane have won most of his games at Real Madrid, and they've had a pretty soft way to the final. Neither Roma, Wolfsburg or City are great sides and Rafa would probably have knocked those clubs out too.
Definitely not good enough at that level. Very limited player.
Is he feck.
What happened to Lucas Silva from Real Madrid? is he out on loan, isn't he a DM?
Loaned back to Brazil. Wasn't given much of a chance, but like Illarramendi before him never really impressed when he did play.
Which players are significantly better than Casemiro at DM?
So getting sacked if they lose tonight
How much time do you have?
All I'm asking for is a list of guys that you feel are better than Casemiro.
Busquets, Mascherano, Gabi, Javi Martinez, Iturraspe, Matuidi, even Matic, just for starters.
He is a good player in that position but not a great in that position, which just reflects Perez's priorities. Florentino Perez has never seen the glamour in spending big sums on defensive players.
What #07 said. Bruno, Xabi Alonso (even in his old age), Xhaka...there's loads. He's as limited as it gets. Valuable right now because of the make up of Madrid's squad, but not actually a good player.
I think Matic is equal. Gabi is solid and reliable, but I don't think he's better. Haven't watched Iturraspe. Masch, Busquets and Javi Martinez are indeed better.
Bruno and Xhaka actually better? Hmm not so sure about that.
You're wrong then.
How is Casemiro limited? He has a very decent range of passing and good defensive skills. Offensively he isn't special but that's not his task anyway although it'd be an extra skill set he should work on.
He's not great at positioning himself, just good for their team because he is committed defensively - easily exposed by clever attackers though. He has absolutely no passing range to speak of though, his role is to give it short to Kroos and Modrić.
R.e. players better than him. There's others like Kanté, Diarra as well. He's basically like Fernando, a decent destroyer but doesn't deserve to be at a top side.
Am I hallucinating the long-range passes in this video?
He's also clearly better than Fernando who's just a donkey IMO.
If they lose today, be rest assured Perez will do the daft thing and sack him. Let the guy build a team.
You're coming back with that as proof when there's barely anything in that for a whole season? My word.
Fernando is a donkey but so is Casemiro.
Do you expect him to be doing that the whole season with Modric and Kroos next to him? He clearly showed he's capable of it. So yes, he has a good range of passing.