Laxit?
They are never going to get a bigger pair than comrade Corbyn and chairman John thoughThere's a few massive tits there tbf.
If they force a leadership contest, Corybn would win again. Unions have already come out and backed him. These Labour MPs are playing a very stupid game.
CoxitLaxit?
I don't think that is the plan.
Either way the MPs are basically screwing themselves over, because if they're depriving the membership of voting for Corbyn, they'll go elsewhere.
The Lib Dems and Greens probably licking their lips at the moment.
Heck if the SNP put forward candidates in England I'd vote for them.
I think it's the right thing to do. He's failed disastrously since being elected, and we're about to enter one of the most important years in the country's modern history. There's nothing we've seen since his election that suggests Corbyn is capable of using his position to improve the lives of those Labour is supposed to protect.
Would Corbyn (McDonnell, Abbott, Burgon etc) bugger off and set up a momentum party... Probably wishful thinking on my behalfEither way the MPs are basically screwing themselves over, because if they're depriving the membership of voting for Corbyn, they'll go elsewhere.
The Lib Dems and Greens probably licking their lips at the moment.
Heck if the SNP put forward candidates in England I'd vote for them.
Kill him with his own sword.
Saw reports that 80% of Labour MPs may vote against him in the secret ballot on Tuesday. 231 Labour MPs so potentially ~46 remaining supportive including the usual bunch... Unfortunately one of those is Richard Burgon.Is it possible he won't even be able to find enough people willing to fill his shadow cabinet?
Surely that would be untenable for the shadow government
How big is the membership now? Mostly made up of the hard left. The loss would be close to insignificant to winning elections. There is a massive opportunity to take down the Tories here.
Burgon to foreign sec... Rip LabourSaw reports that 80% of Labour MPs may vote against him in the secret ballot on Tuesday. 231 Labour MPs so potentially ~46 remaining supportive including the usual bunch... Unfortunately one of those is Richard Burgon.
He's reportedly going to do a defiance reshuffle tonight, so we'll soon see.
Conservatives must be laughing. Every time there's a situation which isn't going well for them, Labour has to one-up them and take the headlines.
Are the Lib Dems savvy enough to steam in and save the country?
This is just factually incorrect. People need to stop using the term "Blairite" to mean "someone I don't agree with". Someone described Tom Watson as one not that long ago, and I'm sure I don't need to explain how dumb that is.The one MP who I think could beat him in a leadership election is Andy Burnham - second in the last one. I think he's the least self-interested out of the possible names. Hilary Benn has let his father down on the Syria vote and Corbyn was close to his father. This Hilary has no popularity with members.
Obviously they want a resignation rather than have to go into an election of which Corbyn will likely win again. Members want no more Blairites but the party is full of them. How can Corbyn work with this? Either he does a trojan horse - appease to his party to get in power and then revert to his genuine views or he quits. Either way his leadership has done one good thing - expose the fundamental flaws in the Labour party. Reform is needed ASAP or their popularity will continue to sink.
Jarvis... As he would be such a tough candidate for the conservatives to fightThe one MP who I think could beat him in a leadership election is Andy Burnham - second in the last one. I think he's the least self-interested out of the possible names. Hilary Benn has let his father down on the Syria vote and Corbyn was close to his father. This Hilary has no popularity with members.
Obviously they want a resignation rather than have to go into an election of which Corbyn will likely win again. Members want no more Blairites but the party is full of them. How can Corbyn work with this? Either he does a trojan horse - appease to his party to get in power and then revert to his genuine views or he quits. Either way his leadership has done one good thing - expose the fundamental flaws in the Labour party. Reform is needed ASAP or their popularity will continue to sink.
Its not just the numbers game, but rather the union backing and mobilisation of its core supporters during elections. You really think the aforementioned are going to bother campaigning for the likes of Chukka "British Obama" Umunna or Hillary "My dad probably thinks im a cnut" Benn come election time, especially after they've essentially stuck two fingers at the membership.
With their 6 MPs? Doubt it.
They've promised to center their general election platform around rejoining the EU which has seemed to resonate a lot with younger folk on social media, though not exactly sure how feasible that is.
Trouble is, they're split between three parties currently, each with their own self-interests and not really interested in uniting behind a common cause.I think there is now space for a completely different Labour party possibly. 48% of the country wanted to remain, who is going to represent them?
I'm Conservative but I'd vote for Labour if they promised to stay in the EU.Trouble is, they're split between three parties currently, each with their own self-interests and not really interested in uniting behind a common cause.
This is just factually incorrect. People need to stop using the term "Blairite" to mean "someone I don't agree with". Someone described Tom Watson as one not that long ago, and I'm sure I don't need to explain how dumb that is.
A lab lib green snp agreement to only field one candidate per constituency in the next ge and a manifesto pledge to work in coalition to either have a 2nd referendum or a referendumon exit terms etc would be an incredibly strong proposition... Not sure the egos and agendas would allow it thoughI'm Conservative but I'd vote for Labour if they promised to stay in the EU.
It just is that important.
Yeah, I think if any party offered a second referendum, they'd get a lot of votes.I'm Conservative but I'd vote for Labour if they promised to stay in the EU.
It just is that important.
Hopefully cause I seriously considering voting for them.Are the Lib Dems savvy enough to steam in and save the country?
Some may, most won't. And if Labour were promising to overturn the referendum result, their support would completely tank in the north.I'm Conservative but I'd vote for Labour if they promised to stay in the EU.
It just is that important.
I know what the term means, it's people that were loyal to Blair and still seek to implement his mode of politics. There are about 40 left in the PLP. Brownites are far more prevalent, and just as if not more involved in the current scheme than the Blairites.You know what it means.
Corbyn has a mandate received on taking Labour back to its roots. Has he delivered? Up to now it's been a dissappointment but when the guy is constantly undermined by his own MPs there is a clear flaw in Labour ideology.
Jarvis... As he would be such a tough candidate for the conservatives to fight
The one MP who I think could beat him in a leadership election is Andy Burnham - second in the last one. I think he's the least self-interested out of the possible names. Hilary Benn has let his father down on the Syria vote and Corbyn was close to his father. This Hilary has no popularity with members.
Obviously they want a resignation rather than have to go into an election of which Corbyn will likely win again. Members want no more Blairites but the party is full of them. How can Corbyn work with this? Either he does a trojan horse - appease to his party to get in power and then revert to his genuine views or he quits. Either way his leadership has done one good thing - expose the fundamental flaws in the Labour party. Reform is needed ASAP or their popularity will continue to sink.
The one MP who I think could beat him in a leadership election is Andy Burnham - second in the last one. I think he's the least self-interested out of the possible names. Hilary Benn has let his father down on the Syria vote and Corbyn was close to his father. This Hilary has no popularity with members.
Obviously they want a resignation rather than have to go into an election of which Corbyn will likely win again. Members want no more Blairites but the party is full of them. How can Corbyn work with this? Either he does a trojan horse - appease to his party to get in power and then revert to his genuine views or he quits. Either way his leadership has done one good thing - expose the fundamental flaws in the Labour party. Reform is needed ASAP or their popularity will continue to sink.
People that say that kind of stuff about Tony Benn betray a complete lack of understanding of the man. Family was everything to him.As much as I may disagree with Benn on certain policies and with some of his politics, I don't see why he's somehow letting his father down by going down a different political route to him.
Apparently Lib Dem membership has soared since referendum. When the dust settles, I will probably be a member too.
Labour will not do anything for the 48% of people that voted to remain. They're conferenced with their base up north who voted overwhelmingly to leave.
The state in which Labour is in now, puts me off. They're finished for the foreseeable future.
Apparently Lib Dem membership has soared since referendum. When the dust settles, I will probably be a member too.
Labour will not do anything for the 48% of people that voted to remain. They're conferenced with their base up north who voted overwhelmingly to leave.
The state in which Labour is in now, puts me off. They're finished for the foreseeable future.