Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)

If they force a leadership contest, Corybn would win again. Unions have already come out and backed him. These Labour MPs are playing a very stupid game.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
I don't think that is the plan.
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Either way the MPs are basically screwing themselves over, because if they're depriving the membership of voting for Corbyn, they'll go elsewhere.

The Lib Dems and Greens probably licking their lips at the moment.

Heck if the SNP put forward candidates in England I'd vote for them.
 
Kaos said:
Either way the MPs are basically screwing themselves over, because if they're depriving the membership of voting for Corbyn, they'll go elsewhere.

The Lib Dems and Greens probably licking their lips at the moment.

Heck if the SNP put forward candidates in England I'd vote for them.
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How big is the membership now? Mostly made up of the hard left. The loss would be close to insignificant to as to winning elections? There is a massive opportunity to take down the Tories here.
 
ThierryHenry said:
I think it's the right thing to do. He's failed disastrously since being elected, and we're about to enter one of the most important years in the country's modern history. There's nothing we've seen since his election that suggests Corbyn is capable of using his position to improve the lives of those Labour is supposed to protect.
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Kaos said:
Either way the MPs are basically screwing themselves over, because if they're depriving the membership of voting for Corbyn, they'll go elsewhere.

The Lib Dems and Greens probably licking their lips at the moment.

Heck if the SNP put forward candidates in England I'd vote for them.
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Would Corbyn (McDonnell, Abbott, Burgon etc) bugger off and set up a momentum party... Probably wishful thinking on my behalf
 
Classical Mechanic said:


Kill him with his own sword.
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Business as usual then. The party didn't really want him from the start, just had little option due to members voting for him.

Labour's screwed for the foreseeable future anyway. Party want to move right, members voted for someone further left and the Labour voters in the north have voted out despite being in constituencies run by Labour remainers so looks like the Labour vote is going to UKIP.

Conservatives must be laughing. Every time there's a situation which isn't going well for them, Labour has to one-up them and take the headlines.
 
sun_tzu said:
Is it possible he won't even be able to find enough people willing to fill his shadow cabinet?
Surely that would be untenable for the shadow government
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Saw reports that 80% of Labour MPs may vote against him in the secret ballot on Tuesday. 231 Labour MPs so potentially ~46 remaining supportive including the usual bunch... Unfortunately one of those is Richard Burgon.

He's reportedly going to do a defiance reshuffle tonight, so we'll soon see.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
How big is the membership now? Mostly made up of the hard left. The loss would be close to insignificant to winning elections. There is a massive opportunity to take down the Tories here.
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Its not just the numbers game, but rather the union backing and mobilisation of its core supporters during elections. You really think the aforementioned are going to bother campaigning for the likes of Chukka "British Obama" Umunna or Hillary "My dad probably thinks im a cnut" Benn come election time, especially after they've essentially stuck two fingers at the membership.
 
Ubik said:
Saw reports that 80% of Labour MPs may vote against him in the secret ballot on Tuesday. 231 Labour MPs so potentially ~46 remaining supportive including the usual bunch... Unfortunately one of those is Richard Burgon.

He's reportedly going to do a defiance reshuffle tonight, so we'll soon see.
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Burgon to foreign sec... Rip Labour
 
The one MP who I think could beat him in a leadership election is Andy Burnham - second in the last one. I think he's the least self-interested out of the possible names. Hilary Benn has let his father down on the Syria vote and Corbyn was close to his father. This Hilary has no popularity with members.

Obviously they want a resignation rather than have to go into an election of which Corbyn will likely win again. Members want no more Blairites but the party is full of them. How can Corbyn work with this? Either he does a trojan horse - appease to his party to get in power and then revert to his genuine views or he quits. Either way his leadership has done one good thing - expose the fundamental flaws in the Labour party. Reform is needed ASAP or their popularity will continue to sink.
 
Grinner said:
Are the Lib Dems savvy enough to steam in and save the country?
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With their 6 MPs? Doubt it.

They've promised to center their general election platform around rejoining the EU which has seemed to resonate a lot with younger folk on social media, though not exactly sure how feasible that is.
 
Boycott said:
The one MP who I think could beat him in a leadership election is Andy Burnham - second in the last one. I think he's the least self-interested out of the possible names. Hilary Benn has let his father down on the Syria vote and Corbyn was close to his father. This Hilary has no popularity with members.

Obviously they want a resignation rather than have to go into an election of which Corbyn will likely win again. Members want no more Blairites but the party is full of them. How can Corbyn work with this? Either he does a trojan horse - appease to his party to get in power and then revert to his genuine views or he quits. Either way his leadership has done one good thing - expose the fundamental flaws in the Labour party. Reform is needed ASAP or their popularity will continue to sink.
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This is just factually incorrect. People need to stop using the term "Blairite" to mean "someone I don't agree with". Someone described Tom Watson as one not that long ago, and I'm sure I don't need to explain how dumb that is.
 
Boycott said:
The one MP who I think could beat him in a leadership election is Andy Burnham - second in the last one. I think he's the least self-interested out of the possible names. Hilary Benn has let his father down on the Syria vote and Corbyn was close to his father. This Hilary has no popularity with members.

Obviously they want a resignation rather than have to go into an election of which Corbyn will likely win again. Members want no more Blairites but the party is full of them. How can Corbyn work with this? Either he does a trojan horse - appease to his party to get in power and then revert to his genuine views or he quits. Either way his leadership has done one good thing - expose the fundamental flaws in the Labour party. Reform is needed ASAP or their popularity will continue to sink.
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Jarvis... As he would be such a tough candidate for the conservatives to fight
 
Kaos said:
Its not just the numbers game, but rather the union backing and mobilisation of its core supporters during elections. You really think the aforementioned are going to bother campaigning for the likes of Chukka "British Obama" Umunna or Hillary "My dad probably thinks im a cnut" Benn come election time, especially after they've essentially stuck two fingers at the membership.
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I think there is now space for a completely different Labour party possibly. 48% of the country wanted to remain, who is going to represent them?
 
Kaos said:
With their 6 MPs? Doubt it.

They've promised to center their general election platform around rejoining the EU which has seemed to resonate a lot with younger folk on social media, though not exactly sure how feasible that is.
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Well that's what I mean. Make significant gains at the next election (whenever that may be) with a sensible manifesto.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
I think there is now space for a completely different Labour party possibly. 48% of the country wanted to remain, who is going to represent them?
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Trouble is, they're split between three parties currently, each with their own self-interests and not really interested in uniting behind a common cause.
 
Ubik said:
Trouble is, they're split between three parties currently, each with their own self-interests and not really interested in uniting behind a common cause.
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I'm Conservative but I'd vote for Labour if they promised to stay in the EU.

It just is that important.
 
Ubik said:
This is just factually incorrect. People need to stop using the term "Blairite" to mean "someone I don't agree with". Someone described Tom Watson as one not that long ago, and I'm sure I don't need to explain how dumb that is.
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You know what it means.

Corbyn has a mandate received on taking Labour back to its roots. Has he delivered? Up to now it's been a dissappointment but when the guy is constantly undermined by his own MPs there is a clear flaw in Labour ideology.
 
Majority of my family members voted for Corbyn but even they can see it isn't working. I suspect support is waning for him even among the members. It doesn't mean hey don't like him. But people are getting frustrated at the lack of a credible opposition. We are about to have the most right wing government in decades and where is Labour to stop them?
 
endless_wheelies said:
I'm Conservative but I'd vote for Labour if they promised to stay in the EU.

It just is that important.
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A lab lib green snp agreement to only field one candidate per constituency in the next ge and a manifesto pledge to work in coalition to either have a 2nd referendum or a referendumon exit terms etc would be an incredibly strong proposition... Not sure the egos and agendas would allow it though
 
endless_wheelies said:
I'm Conservative but I'd vote for Labour if they promised to stay in the EU.

It just is that important.
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Yeah, I think if any party offered a second referendum, they'd get a lot of votes.

In fact, if you run on that and are voted in, you could merely overturn the referendum with your election mandate.
 
endless_wheelies said:
I'm Conservative but I'd vote for Labour if they promised to stay in the EU.

It just is that important.
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Some may, most won't. And if Labour were promising to overturn the referendum result, their support would completely tank in the north.
Boycott said:
You know what it means.

Corbyn has a mandate received on taking Labour back to its roots. Has he delivered? Up to now it's been a dissappointment but when the guy is constantly undermined by his own MPs there is a clear flaw in Labour ideology.
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I know what the term means, it's people that were loyal to Blair and still seek to implement his mode of politics. There are about 40 left in the PLP. Brownites are far more prevalent, and just as if not more involved in the current scheme than the Blairites.
 
Boycott said:
The one MP who I think could beat him in a leadership election is Andy Burnham - second in the last one. I think he's the least self-interested out of the possible names. Hilary Benn has let his father down on the Syria vote and Corbyn was close to his father. This Hilary has no popularity with members.

Obviously they want a resignation rather than have to go into an election of which Corbyn will likely win again. Members want no more Blairites but the party is full of them. How can Corbyn work with this? Either he does a trojan horse - appease to his party to get in power and then revert to his genuine views or he quits. Either way his leadership has done one good thing - expose the fundamental flaws in the Labour party. Reform is needed ASAP or their popularity will continue to sink.
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As much as I may disagree with Benn on certain policies and with some of his politics, I don't see why he's somehow letting his father down by going down a different political route to him.
 
Right, looks like Tom Watson is preparing to do the ousting.





Looking very unlikely Corbyn will survive this.
 
Boycott said:
The one MP who I think could beat him in a leadership election is Andy Burnham - second in the last one. I think he's the least self-interested out of the possible names. Hilary Benn has let his father down on the Syria vote and Corbyn was close to his father. This Hilary has no popularity with members.

Obviously they want a resignation rather than have to go into an election of which Corbyn will likely win again. Members want no more Blairites but the party is full of them. How can Corbyn work with this? Either he does a trojan horse - appease to his party to get in power and then revert to his genuine views or he quits. Either way his leadership has done one good thing - expose the fundamental flaws in the Labour party. Reform is needed ASAP or their popularity will continue to sink.
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That's a hiding to nothing, he's a massive knob.
 
Cheesy said:
As much as I may disagree with Benn on certain policies and with some of his politics, I don't see why he's somehow letting his father down by going down a different political route to him.
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People that say that kind of stuff about Tony Benn betray a complete lack of understanding of the man. Family was everything to him.
 
Apparently Lib Dem membership has soared since referendum. When the dust settles, I will probably be a member too.
Labour will not do anything for the 48% of people that voted to remain. They're conferenced with their base up north who voted overwhelmingly to leave.
The state in which Labour is in now, puts me off. They're finished for the foreseeable future.
 
I know Corbyn has a mandate but if he truly cares about the party, he will resign.
Tom Watson's comment is sot on. Without a working opposition, we could have the most right wing government in this country's recent history.
 
Adisa said:
Apparently Lib Dem membership has soared since referendum. When the dust settles, I will probably be a member too.
Labour will not do anything for the 48% of people that voted to remain. They're conferenced with their base up north who voted overwhelmingly to leave.
The state in which Labour is in now, puts me off. They're finished for the foreseeable future.
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Ye I think I'm going to switch too.
 
Adisa said:
Apparently Lib Dem membership has soared since referendum. When the dust settles, I will probably be a member too.
Labour will not do anything for the 48% of people that voted to remain. They're conferenced with their base up north who voted overwhelmingly to leave.
The state in which Labour is in now, puts me off. They're finished for the foreseeable future.
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I will probably join the Libs too if Corbyn doesn't leave and a credible leader appointed.
 
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