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David Moyes | West Ham in talks with him for managerial job
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
Gem of a post, made me laugh so hard I admit.
But surely a mid table finish would be considered a success for Sunderland. And if he had won the title with us, I doubt we would have cared about his charisma or lack thereof.
His post is spot on.
It doesn't quite fit the 'feck the ginger cnut I hope he fails at every club he goes to' narrative that some overly spoiled fans seem to drive home but it's on the money nonetheless.
He did inherit a terrible squad by United standards filled with ageing stars way past their sell by date and utter crap that only god knows how they ever ended up at MU in the first place.
The job was too big for him.
Replacing Ferguson was a tough ask for any manager.
He failed and was rightly sacked. He shouldn't be hated for not being good enough.
Moyes took over a team that had won the league. Correct. It was still a garbage squad though. Ageing stars past their sell by date and utter crap like Cleverley, Bebe, Ashley Young, Buttner and Zaha. Every single team went out and strengthened and it showed in the final league table that season. 3 teams finished with 80+ points ffs. The top 3 that season all accumulated more points than the Champions of England did last season.
I'd have thought that argument would've been dead and buried given the shit-show that the messiah oversaw last season despite winning the league the season before...
And arguments like giving Rooney a new contract that has kept him at United is fecking nonsense. Are United actively trying to sell Rooney? LVG seemed to love him. Mourinho's always spoke highly of him. It's just any excuse to have a shot at him though. May as well slaughter him for signing Mata too. The cnut.
Yes maybe it would but that isn't really related to what i am talking about though is it. Mid table safety wouldn't stop him being a dour tedious fecker who is hard to like. He was at Everton for 12 years and their fans weren't overly fond of him, in fact they pretty much turned on him the minute he left.
Van Gaal just won us the FA Cup and many United fans rejoiced at the news of his sacking and still hate the guy, the same would have happened to Moyes despite winning a trophy (yeah right) if he had continued with the tumescent brand football he had us playing and spouting shit everytime he opened his mouth.
Do you not think that maybe a lot of fans actually dislike him not because he predictably failed at United but more so because of the way he conducted himself during his time at United, and the numerous ill thought out and disrespectful comments he made here?
Has he endeared himself to the fans yet by saying that Sunderland should aspire to be at Newcastle's level?
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Moyes is walking proof that all you need is a foot in the door... under the radar at Everton for years steadily doing nothing. Stagnant like the frog-spawn he is.
Ridiculously given the Utd job because he had a similar accent to Fergie... we'd have been better giving it to Rab C Nesbitt.
Took a team of Champions in a fortress of a stadium & turned them into petrified clowns & made OT a laughing stock.
Gets a big fat payout while the morons of the world are crying out for how 'badly' Utd treated him. (Who's feelings wouldn't be made better by his severance package?! I'm talking to YOU any of my ex-employers!!)
Walks into a job in the sun, despite having never proved himself at anything other than mediocrity & guess what.... he's found out... AGAIN. Yet still... STILL... he lands a job in a Premier League club. Outstanding.
If any of us could just get our foot in the managerial door we'd be laughing!
I'll never forgive dithering Dave for what he done to our club, his arrogant attitude & constant reference to Utd after he left citing he should have had more time.... yes Dave... sure.
It pains me to know that this absolute charlatan of a man will be earning big bucks & gracing football stadiums up and down the country with his flesh coloured eyes, hair & teeth. I only hope he reverts to type and buys that tall, afro-headed, Belgian plank and takes him far far away from OT.
All this talk of him being a "good manager for Sunderland"... I don't buy that. It's an insult to Sunderland fans. Why should they settle for someone who's meant to be a "good mid-table manager"? Leicester won the league last season, proving that anyone can. I'd be gutted if I was a Sunderland fan. I'm gutted and I'm not even a Sunderland fan. They've got a clueless, tacticless, idiotic, defeatist fool... shame on Sunderland board for taking him on.
Ridiculously given the Utd job because he had a similar accent to Fergie... we'd have been better giving it to Rab C Nesbitt.
Took a team of Champions in a fortress of a stadium & turned them into petrified clowns & made OT a laughing stock.
Gets a big fat payout while the morons of the world are crying out for how 'badly' Utd treated him. (Who's feelings wouldn't be made better by his severance package?! I'm talking to YOU any of my ex-employers!!)
Walks into a job in the sun, despite having never proved himself at anything other than mediocrity & guess what.... he's found out... AGAIN. Yet still... STILL... he lands a job in a Premier League club. Outstanding.
If any of us could just get our foot in the managerial door we'd be laughing!
I'll never forgive dithering Dave for what he done to our club, his arrogant attitude & constant reference to Utd after he left citing he should have had more time.... yes Dave... sure.
It pains me to know that this absolute charlatan of a man will be earning big bucks & gracing football stadiums up and down the country with his flesh coloured eyes, hair & teeth. I only hope he reverts to type and buys that tall, afro-headed, Belgian plank and takes him far far away from OT.
All this talk of him being a "good manager for Sunderland"... I don't buy that. It's an insult to Sunderland fans. Why should they settle for someone who's meant to be a "good mid-table manager"? Leicester won the league last season, proving that anyone can. I'd be gutted if I was a Sunderland fan. I'm gutted and I'm not even a Sunderland fan. They've got a clueless, tacticless, idiotic, defeatist fool... shame on Sunderland board for taking him on.
So ... what are your thoughts on David Moyes?
Haha... didn't realise what a rant it was until I re-read it!
No love lost for Moyes - Obviously. The fact that he's now tagged in the press as "Former Man Utd Manager" boils my blood!
Haha... didn't realise what a rant it was until I re-read it!
No love lost for Moyes - Obviously. The fact that he's now tagged in the press as "Former Man Utd Manager" boils my blood!
It was epic, I'll give you that. I got a laugh out of it. All true, too.
Ah here you are again with your poor squad theory.
We know that our squad in 2013 wasn't good enough to win the CL, no one is claiming that.
No one expected that from Moyes. We didn't even ask him to win the league.
However to take over the Champions, to spend then 65 mil on top and not even compete for 4th place is terrible.
As if he had done any better with the other top 4 teams, there is a reason no other top club has ever hired him.
Also our money spent since 2013 doesn't say much about the squad quality until 2013, it says more about the incompetence of the managers since then.
City after all have spent 252 mil pounds NET in the same period (since 2013 and NOT including the current transfer window) and still only finished 1 point ahead of us last season.
This all shows that while our squad in 2013 wasn't great, it was more or less similar to the other top teams in the league, after all it has been a poor league for a few years. And no one was asking Moyes to get top 4 against Bayern , Barca or RM, but against similarly poor PL top teams.
Chelsea also had a catastrophic season last year and their squad for the new season will also have many changes compared to 2013.
Three years is a long time and with so much money teams buy players more often now, but somehow the money spent since 2013 or new faces since then only show that United had a poor team to defend Moyes while completely ignoring the other top teams' transfers since then. And those teams didn't even face the challenge of a manager who stayed for 26 years so more changes were required at United.
And still those teams have been making a lot of changes nevertheless.
Which shows that no PL squad in 2013 was so great that poor victim Moyes had such a disadvantage.
Oooh! I love me a bit of Moyes bashing
Honestly no.
I think those that post such vitriolic BS are nothing more than spoiled brats after the Ferguson era.
It isn't a theory. Your squad was crap and has been for years and only now is it really being improved upon with the arrivals this summer. You were able to overcome having a crap (this is by United standards) squad because Ferguson was an absolute genius and van Persie was scoring for fun. That team Moyes inherited wasn't a great team. It's one of the poorest United squads I've seen. The fact it was a Championship winning team only further strengthens Ferguson's legacy rather than weakens Moyes' managerial stature pre-United.
The 65m thing is a red herring btw. It only became 65m after a desperate January signing to try and improve the side after a poor start. At the time there was definitely talk of the likes of Fabregas, Kroos and Bale. You got none of them and ended up with Fellaini. That really isn't on Moyes. It's on Woodward. It isn't the manager that conducts the business. He gives the CEO a list of targets and he then goes out and tries to get it done. And given that Fabregas is a better player than Pogba you'd have thought they may have done everything possible to get him given the lengths they're now going to to try and get Pogba.
Your last sentence is nonsense. Liverpool and City were great teams that year. Suarez was absolutely ridiculous! Chelsea were decent as well but Mourinho's negativity cost them the title. Where City and Liverpool came to Old Trafford and destroyed United he came with Chelsea, played no strikers and played for a 0-0. Speaking of which I always felt a wee bit of sympathy with Moyes in that a visiting team to OT actually got 3 penalties in one game. That simply wouldn't have happened under Ferguson.
The squad in the home game v Chelsea. That is absolutely poor. Vidic, Ferdinand and Giggs were way past it and Welbeck, Cleverley, Valencia, Young, Jones, Buttner and Anderson should never be deemed good enough to play for Man United.
For the majority of United fans, the dislike for Moyes wasn't so much based on the fact he wasn't upto the job, it was moreso the fact he kept trying to deflect the blame off of himself to others instead of owning up to his mistakes, saying idiotic comments and, quite frankly, just coming across as arrogant.
The comment that stood out to me was the one where he said even Fergie would've struggled with this squad. I had no expectations for Moyes and him signing Fellaini only confirmed my fears, but I did feel for him at first. Then, when he was coming out with silly stuff like the Ferguson line I stopped sympathising with him as he just wouldn't own up to his own mistakes. Still, to this day, he thinks he deserved more time and that he did the best he could with the squad and the clubs resources despite obviously not doing so.
Sure, some fans probably do dislike him purely for the fact he was a rubbish manager for us; I don't deny that. It's just that they're in the vast minority and most of the fans that dislike him do so because he came across as a man with misplaced arrogance who just wouldn't own up to his mistakes.
The comment that stood out to me was the one where he said even Fergie would've struggled with this squad. I had no expectations for Moyes and him signing Fellaini only confirmed my fears, but I did feel for him at first. Then, when he was coming out with silly stuff like the Ferguson line I stopped sympathising with him as he just wouldn't own up to his own mistakes. Still, to this day, he thinks he deserved more time and that he did the best he could with the squad and the clubs resources despite obviously not doing so.
Sure, some fans probably do dislike him purely for the fact he was a rubbish manager for us; I don't deny that. It's just that they're in the vast minority and most of the fans that dislike him do so because he came across as a man with misplaced arrogance who just wouldn't own up to his mistakes.
Sure City and others were great teams, that's why they have been more or less equally crap since we sacked Moyes.
Or maybe the manager has something to do with a team performing well?
Honestly we could have had no manager and it couldn't have been any worse.
Apart from what I already mentioned there are tons of other stuff against Moyes:
- Complete humiliation against Liverpool and City whereas LvG as bad as he was at least showed we could compete with them
- He took Fellaini from Everton and still Everton managed to finish higher than us
- LvG actually got out more of Fellaini whereas Moyes had no idea how to use a player he had worked with before.
LvG also managed to use Mata better when again Moyes had no idea
- Pellegrini with a squad which finished 11 points behind United managed to win the PL in his first ever PL season and hardly any English skills whereas the smug Scot who had been in the PL for a decade looked like someone who had never heard of the PL before and took the Champions to 7th.
Maybe you should consider that a manager is responsible to make his team perform and Pellegrini and Rodgers acchieved this in 2013/14 and Moyes blatantly failed.
But of course we can't expect you to consider this but facts / results / stats are there as are several negative records Moyes broke at United for everyone to see. You can continue to believe whatever you want.
Bottom line is that the United squad he took over had already proven they were Champions whereas Moyes will always carry the loser tag and rightly so.
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Correct.
The cnut still hasn't put a bid in for Fellaini.
He's not even manager here anymore and yet, he's still crippling us
He's not even manager here anymore and yet, he's still crippling us
These Moyes apologists make me laugh.
If the squad was so poor how did we win the league the season before by miles and have to be cheated out of the CL?
He couldn't convince any quality players to join the club because he is a fraud and frankly stupid.
His attempts at speaking Spanish while in La Liga shows the ineptitude, stupidity and cowardice of this charlatan.
This ginger albino should be confined to Scotland.
If the squad was so poor how did we win the league the season before by miles and have to be cheated out of the CL?
He couldn't convince any quality players to join the club because he is a fraud and frankly stupid.
His attempts at speaking Spanish while in La Liga shows the ineptitude, stupidity and cowardice of this charlatan.
This ginger albino should be confined to Scotland.
If it was someone else but Sunderland id feel sorry for them but no I hope he makes those poznan doing brexit voting wankers lives miserable
The Sunderland fans are FANTASTIC (anyone remember the Roker Roar?) and I'd like to see them have a bit of success - and David Moyes may be the guy to bring it to them, as long as their expectations are managed somewhat.
But anyone who doesn't understand why some Manchester United fans feel extremely negatively about David Moyes need their heads examined. I personally was disgusted by some of David Moyes comments about the club after his -DESERVED- sacking, his constant shifting of blame and barely-hidden finger pointing was extremely tiresome, as was the media approach to his sacking in general. I understand that he could hardly come out and say "the job was too big for me and I got scared!" because that might amount to career suicide, but his blame, and "time" speeches irked me beyond repair and to be frank, I'd care as much for this guys success about as much as I would if he had his googly eyeballs forked out with a rusty fecking spoon, and hope we demolish his sides by 4 or more goals when we play him to curb the inevitable "revenge" bullshit the media's going to spout if he sneaks a 20% possession 1-0 win after a dodgy refereeing decision.
But anyone who doesn't understand why some Manchester United fans feel extremely negatively about David Moyes need their heads examined. I personally was disgusted by some of David Moyes comments about the club after his -DESERVED- sacking, his constant shifting of blame and barely-hidden finger pointing was extremely tiresome, as was the media approach to his sacking in general. I understand that he could hardly come out and say "the job was too big for me and I got scared!" because that might amount to career suicide, but his blame, and "time" speeches irked me beyond repair and to be frank, I'd care as much for this guys success about as much as I would if he had his googly eyeballs forked out with a rusty fecking spoon, and hope we demolish his sides by 4 or more goals when we play him to curb the inevitable "revenge" bullshit the media's going to spout if he sneaks a 20% possession 1-0 win after a dodgy refereeing decision.
Some of the posts in here... I understand, and sympathise, completely that Moyes' time here was a shambles. It ruined the precious 90 minutes I'd proactively plan to set aside to watch my beloved Manchester United every week. But some posts seem to imply Moyes was an agent of evil, intentionally malevolent, like he'd suddenly pull of a rubber mask like in Mission Impossible to reveal Kenny Dalglish, or Graham fecking Souness.
I think Sunderland have terribly mismanaged their club, for close to a decade now, and will not forget that poznan.
But, no harm, no foul. I think Moyes did the best he could, he was the wrong choice and that's more on the club than him. As for Sunderland, I'll forgive the poznan, but not forget, but any club that hires Paulo Di Canio as a manager deserves to go down purely on principle. Deep down, their supporters know this to be true.
I think Sunderland have terribly mismanaged their club, for close to a decade now, and will not forget that poznan.
But, no harm, no foul. I think Moyes did the best he could, he was the wrong choice and that's more on the club than him. As for Sunderland, I'll forgive the poznan, but not forget, but any club that hires Paulo Di Canio as a manager deserves to go down purely on principle. Deep down, their supporters know this to be true.
Given how Sunderland is ran and how often change managers(they had 5 in the last 2 years alone) this clown will be out of a job before the end of the season.
So just because someone doesn't like David Moyes they are a spoilt brat haha yeah ok mate.
Generalize much?
You will not find many United fans who dislike Moyes that were at all surprised he failed miserably at United. A lot and if i had to guess maybe even a majority of them don't like the guy because of shit he said and his attitude during his United tenure.
What kind of reception will he get at OT then?
Good I'd presume, especially if he loses
Good I'd presume, especially if he loses
I don't really understand what appointing Moyes suggests about Sunderlands aspirations. Safety guaranteed yes but beyond that ? He has no cup history to speak of and sneaked a CL place one season at arguably a much bigger club than Sunderland. He has a L1 promotion with PNE but if I were a Sunderland fan I wouldn't be bouncing off the ceiling with excitement over this appointment.
Thats rubbish mate to be fair but i suspect you know that. It was a decent squad, it doesn't matter how good a manager is even a genius can't get a poor side to consistently win and compete for titles thats just nonsense.
The squad Ferguson left excluding players who were generally accepted to be past it like Giggs, Vidic and Ferdinand was this.
--------------------De Gea (22)
------------------Lindegaard (29)
Rafael(23)--Smalling(23)--Jones(21)--Evra(32)
Fabio(23)--Evans(25)------------------Buttner(24)
Nani(26)----Carrick(31)--Cleverley(23)--Young(28)
Valencia(27)--Fletcher(29)--Anderson(28)--Welbeck(22)
--------------------Rooney(27)
--------------------Kagawa(24)
--------------------Van Persie(30)
--------------------Hernandez(25)
It wasn't the best squad Ferguson ever had but it had a good age range, decent depth and should have been more than good enough to come at least 4th. Especially with the few key additions that it needed. It needed a CM (or two), a winger and a CB. Other than Fellaini who isn't really a CM none were bought, if the squad was lacking it was because of Moyes failure to recruit.
Someone above talked about 'foot in the door' and having it made.
And for managers its true.
Moyes and Benitez have both earned more money in the last 3 years from being sacked than they have been paid to do the job they were employed to do. By some distance.
You get paid more for being shite than you do for being good. That is management to the lucky few. No wonder most of them hang around like a bad smell for their next chance right after a humiliation.
And for managers its true.
Moyes and Benitez have both earned more money in the last 3 years from being sacked than they have been paid to do the job they were employed to do. By some distance.
You get paid more for being shite than you do for being good. That is management to the lucky few. No wonder most of them hang around like a bad smell for their next chance right after a humiliation.
Moyes and Benitez are both very good manager. They just punched above their weight last 3-4 years.
I think that is a fair assessment he wasn't left with the best squad but there was plenty to work with and some easy fixes and there was no excuse for not even competing for 4th. Woodward has to take some of the name for that first window but Moyes turned up under prepared, scared and clueless. His transfer strategy was inexcusable and he lacked every key skill and chacteristic to be a success here.
I also think the whole decent and hard working argument needs to be dropped, you would struggle to find a manager who isn't hard working, and he has shown himself to be arrogant and deluded a number of times. I dont fell any hate for him, just embarrassment he was ever appointed and lasted as long as ten months, sooner he is forgotten about the better.
I actually like the club, can't stand that goat-man-thing though, the prospect of seeing it on a near weekly basis again fills me with dread.
Why do the same managers keep getting recycled, surely there is some other fresh talent around?
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Nahh. As much as I dislike Benitez, he was borderline world-class as he actually has won numerous trophies in Europe and league. Moyes on the other hand has been mid-table manager for all of his career.
I wasn't saying their both in the same category. Was just mentioning that these two aren't getting jobs because they are terrible. Moyes is actually a very good signing for sunderland.
Grouping Benitez with Moyes is still unfair even for the reason you gave. Moyes left his comfort zone and got found out (talking into account his Soceidad tenure). More like Goran Eriksson or Hodgson (these are still more impressive since their best seasons were closer to Leceicester than Moyes' once in life time fourth place trophy) Benitez moved around and still showed a certain level of competence.
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Well I think one common ground between both of them is that they couldn't take that next step.
Benitez doesn't make a big club manager I can see that. However, Benitez is well known to help good club punch way above their weight. Valencia won 2 league and UEFA Cup with him. Liverpool CL and runner up in the league to SAF's strongest team. Steered Chelsea to top 4 finish and Europa League winner as care taker manager. Helped Napoli become CL teams... He has his flaw when getting a bigger gig with higher expectation: Inter after treble, Real Madrid, continue to challenge for the league after that runner up season with L'pool.
Moyes pretty much found his level at Everton. United, Soceidad (foreign league) and he's already out of depth.