David Moyes | West Ham in talks with him for managerial job

Why do people hate him so much?
He didn't work out here...we got rid and that's that.
Everybody has moved on.....let the man live
 
stevoc said:
I got one of the ages wrong Anderson is actually only 28 now. Not that it really matters.

A few of them like Anderson, Fletcher and Fabio, maybe Buttner as well definitely needed moved on but Van Gaal sold way more than he had to in too short a space of time. The likes of Rafael, Evans, Evra, Nani, Welbeck, Kagawa and Hernandez are still more than good enough to be useful members of last seasons squad. And going off last seasons showing a few of them would be in the first XI.

No doubt a lot were moved on because they didn't suit Van Gaals possession philosophy, but LVG in hindsight did a terrible job of reshaping the squad. Sold good players for a pittance and spent hundreds of millions on others and i honestly don't think the squad he left was all that good certainly not better than the one Ferguson left in my opinion. Bar Smalling and De Gea who were already here, Martial a rare good buy and the emergence of a few good young players form the youth system not many of the current squad have been in great form.
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Practice what you preach, sir. :smirk:
 
sammyvine said:
Why do people hate him so much?
He didn't work out here...we got rid and that's that.
Everybody has moved on.....let the man live
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I think most are over his tenure... I think you'll see that when he comes back to OT this season, wont get a cheer or jeer.

BUT some are still annoyed at how he acted after his sacking, played the whole "i guess British managers just wont get a chance at a top club" card
 
shamans said:
Disrespected? Not at all. He just failed at his job and that's it. If anything Rio was kind of disrespectful to him.
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So when he suggested (only a month or so into the season) that United may have only won the year before not because they were the best side but because other teams weren't that good he wasn't disrespecting the players or Ferguson?

Or how about when he said the team he just took over wasn't good enough to win the champions league, i'm sure that went down well in the dressing room.

Or when he suggested anyone (including United fans) who criticized the 82 crosses or whatever it was vs Fulham didn't have enough footballing intelligence, whatever that is.

Or when he had the gall to say Alex Ferguson would have been struggling with the current squad just like he was had he stayed on.

Any of that ring a bell, or was that all fine?
 
RedPed said:
Read your own post again!
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Mate what are you talking about, you quoted a post where i was talking about Van Gaal's management of the squad over the last few years.

How exactly was i preaching, what the feck are you on about?
 
stevoc said:
So when he suggested (only a month or so into the season) that United may have only won the year before not because they were the best side but because other teams weren't that good he wasn't disrespecting the players or Ferguson?

Or how about when he said the team he just took over wasn't good enough to win the champions league, i'm sure that went down well in the dressing room.

Or when he suggested anyone (including United fans) who criticized the 82 crosses or whatever it was vs Fulham didn't have enough footballing intelligence, whatever that is.

Or when he had the gall to say Alex Ferguson would have been struggling with the current squad just like he was had he stayed on.

Any of that ring a bell, or was that all fine?
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I do not disagree with a single one of those statements. It's slightly exaggarated media talk that any manager would say. LVG said we have expectations that are too high. Do I hate him for that now?
 
shamans said:
I do not disagree with a single one of those statements. It's slightly exaggarated media talk that any manager would say. LVG said we have expectations that are too high. Do I hate him for that now?
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Haha ok then.

So out of interest do you also think Ferguson would have also struggled with the same squad as Moyes suggested?
 
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OneUnited24 said:
I think most are over his tenure... I think you'll see that when he comes back to OT this season, wont get a cheer or jeer.

BUT some are still annoyed at how he acted after his sacking, played the whole "i guess British managers just wont get a chance at a top club" card
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Well they need to get over it
 
Hope he has been scouting players while he was out of the game.
 
RedPed said:
Yes he was absolute shite but his shiteness is not commensurate to the level of hatred that some fans have for him. That irrational hatred does not or will not allow them to cut him any slack or give him any credit...even though LVG was a bigger fraud and has got away with it because we won the FA Cup and he occasionally entertained in his pressers and post match interviews.

Will be interesting to see how his season pans out though.
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stevoc said:
Van Gaal was past his best and ultimately failed to live up to expectations, but he wasn't a fraud far from it. A fraud wouldn't have won Leagues, Cups and European trophies in 4 different countries with 5 different clubs.

But more importantly this is a thread about Moyes so maybe we should keep the discussion about him.
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stevoc said:
Mate what are you talking about, you quoted a post where i was talking about Van Gaal's management of the squad over the last few years.

How exactly was i preaching, what the feck are you on about?
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That clearer for you?
 
stevoc said:
Haha ok then.

So out of interest do you also think Ferguson would have also struggled with the same squad as Moyes suggested?
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Yes. I think we were struggling with that squad for some time but that year especailly, we definitely would have struggled. Still think we would have finished top 3 with Sir Alex but the squad was not a good one. It doesn't justify the 7th place finish though.
 
shamans said:
Yes. I think we were struggling with that squad for some time but that year especailly, we definitely would have struggled. Still think we would have finished top 3 with Sir Alex but the squad was not a good one. It doesn't justify the 7th place finish though.
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Can you expand on that? It certainly wasn't one of ours or Fergie's best squads ever but it did win the league and go toe-to-toe with Madrid.
 
shamans said:
Why would you hate him for that? Has LVG said it was all his fault? Has any manager said it's their fault? Have the United players said it's their fault? I mean has the board admitted that they were wrong for appointing him?

This is football. You can't just say "yeah I ballsed it up" all the time. Moyes wanted to maintain a good image after the United debacle and to be honest some of it was the players fault even though Manchester United is not his level and the 7th place finish was just unnacceptable.

I just don't understand why people hate on Moyes so much. He came, he tried, he failed and he's left. Move on.
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But he certainly hasn't moved on

Comments like how he would have acted had he only known he only had 10 months are disingenuous and just insulting to our club. He got 10 months but based on results should have been gone by December. He like Van Gaal after him for far too much time than they deserved.

I was happy with him getting a job in Spain and would have been happy if he had stayed there for years. Simply because it meant he stopped giving interviews about us. His first game against us will be unbearable with his media friends bringing up how he was unfairly treated.

He got the shot of a lifetime and blew it. He can blame everyone else but it was mostly just him. Deep down he knows that.
 
Yagami said:
Can you expand on that? It certainly wasn't one of ours or Fergie's best squads ever but it did win the league and go toe-to-toe with Madrid.
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The football was a bit poor but the year Moyes was taking over, it had gone in severe decline. Vidic of 2013/14 and Rio of 2013/14 were nothing of last years.

Still doesn't justify a 7th place finish. That's unnaceptable. I konw I have said it a thousand times but I want to say it again incase someone on here thinks I am saying it wasn't Moyes' fault. He definitely wasn't cut for this job but it was a shit squad too.
 
K2K said:
But he certainly hasn't moved on

Comments like how he would have acted had he only known he only had 10 months are disingenuous and just insulting to our club. He got 10 months but based on results should have been gone by December. He like Van Gaal after him for far too much time than they deserved.

I was happy with him getting a job in Spain and would have been happy if he had stayed there for years. Simply because it meant he stopped giving interviews about us. His first game against us will be unbearable with his media friends bringing up how he was unfairly treated.

He got the shot of a lifetime and blew it. He can blame everyone else but it was mostly just him. Deep down he knows that.
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Yeah he probably does but like I said before this is football. You do what you gotta do for pr. You're not gonna go out there and say "I'm a top ten PL manager but not United level guys".
 
shamans said:
Why would you hate him for that? Has LVG said it was all his fault? Has any manager said it's their fault? Have the United players said it's their fault? I mean has the board admitted that they were wrong for appointing him?

This is football. You can't just say "yeah I ballsed it up" all the time. Moyes wanted to maintain a good image after the United debacle and to be honest some of it was the players fault even though Manchester United is not his level and the 7th place finish was just unnacceptable.

I just don't understand why people hate on Moyes so much. He came, he tried, he failed and he's left. Move on.
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LVG respectfully kept his mouth shut then and now
Moyes couldn't (and hasn't) stop coming out with BS excuses and other nonsense to try and absolve himself of the blame
 
shamans said:
The football was a bit poor but the year Moyes was taking over, it had gone in severe decline. Vidic of 2013/14 and Rio of 2013/14 were nothing of last years.

Still doesn't justify a 7th place finish. That's unnaceptable. I konw I have said it a thousand times but I want to say it again incase someone on here thinks I am saying it wasn't Moyes' fault. He definitely wasn't cut for this job but it was a shit squad too.
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Fair enough. There was no denying that the likes of Rio and Vida were on the heavy decline but I think, with Fergie in charge, and maybe him buying a few additions to the squad (unlike Moyes only buying Fellaini), we still would have been at the top or at least near.
 
shamans said:
Yeah he probably does but like I said before this is football. You do what you gotta do for pr. You're not gonna go out there and say "I'm a top ten PL manager but not United level guys".
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You can also keep quiet

There was no need to insult the fans (the football intelligence comment ) or Sir Alex. Or his childish fairwell comment when he ignored the entire squad.

You don't have to be in football to understand that.

A simple ''the United job didn't work out how I wished,but they are certainly lessons I have learnt that will put me in good stead in future ''. Slating an ex (in this case an ex club ) isn't a sign of maturity imo.

Van Gaal hasn't given a single media interview since he left. He has a lot of media contacts too.
 
IBleedRed said:
LVG respectfully kept his mouth shut then and now
Moyes couldn't (and hasn't) stop coming out with BS excuses and other nonsense to try and absolve himself of the blame
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K2K said:
You can also keep quiet

There was no need to insult the fans (the football intelligence comment ) or Sir Alex. Or his childish fairwell comment when he ignored the entire squad.

You don't have to be in football to understand that.

A simple ''the United job didn't work out how I wished,but they are certainly lessons I have learnt that will put me in good stead in future ''. Slating an ex (in this case an ex club ) isn't a sign of maturity imo.

Van Gaal hasn't given a single media interview since he left. He has a lot of media contacts too.
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Van Gaal saying we have expectations that are too high was not insulting then? Whatever Moyes said is common for almost any sacked manager to say.

Yeah if he had kept shut or been respectful he would have earned a ton of respect but just because he wasn't a saint with it all it doesn't mean we should hate his comments regarding whatever he said.
 
shamans said:
Van Gaal saying we have expectations that are too high was not insulting then? Whatever Moyes said is common for almost any sacked manager to say.

Yeah if he had kept shut or been respectful he would have earned a ton of respect but just because he wasn't a saint with it all it doesn't mean we should hate his comments regarding whatever he said.
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I'm talking about their comments post United especially.

Moyes would long have been forgotten if he did that.

Both Van Gaal and him said a lot of daft things when both were in the job. Both were terrible managers for us. But we can't let go if they don't because his comments just serve to stir up the wounds.
 
RedPed said:
That clearer for you?
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It is mate yes maybe you should have taken the time to make your point clearer the first time around.

Not that it it really has any merit though. That post was the 2nd or 3rd in a conversation about the squad Moyes took over. So it was very relevant to the thread topic.

Going off on a tangent and talking guff about another manager not so much.
 
shamans said:
Yes. I think we were struggling with that squad for some time but that year especailly, we definitely would have struggled. Still think we would have finished top 3 with Sir Alex but the squad was not a good one. It doesn't justify the 7th place finish though.
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Ok mate sounds like you don't really agree with Moyes on that one but fair enough. :p
 
shamans said:
Van Gaal saying we have expectations that are too high was not insulting then? Whatever Moyes said is common for almost any sacked manager to say.

Yeah if he had kept shut or been respectful he would have earned a ton of respect but just because he wasn't a saint with it all it doesn't mean we should hate his comments regarding whatever he said.
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Can i ask mate when Van Gaal said the expectations were too high line, you found that insulting or are you just making a comparison with some of Moyes verbal diarrhea?
 
stevoc said:
Can i ask mate when Van Gaal said the expectations were too high line, you found that insulting or are you just making a comparison with some of Moyes verbal diarrhea?
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I personally didn't find it insulting (I mean maybe a bit but as insulting as what Moyes said. Not enough to hate him).

http://www.skysports.com/football/n...-manchester-united-fans-expectations-too-high

Here's where he said it. I mean LVG has said many ridiculous things during his tenure here. Why look so far behind though Jose Mourinho himself during his chelsea debacle said things that made him look childish and immature.

My point is when things don't go your way as a manager you say stupid crap. Moyes is no different but that doesn't give me reason to hate on him.
 
shamans said:
I personally didn't find it insulting (I mean maybe a bit but as insulting as what Moyes said. Not enough to hate him).

http://www.skysports.com/football/n...-manchester-united-fans-expectations-too-high

Here's where he said it. I mean LVG has said many ridiculous things during his tenure here. Why look so far behind though Jose Mourinho himself during his chelsea debacle said things that made him look childish and immature.

My point is when things don't go your way as a manager you say stupid crap. Moyes is no different but that doesn't give me reason to hate on him.
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Fair enough mate, i don't actually hate Moyes because i don't know the man personally. But i had a dislike for him going back many years, he's just not my cup of tea as they say and it annoyed me that he kept being linked with us when i thought he had done nothing to warrant such a job and if he did somehow get it he would be a disaster.

Well he was a disaster as we all know, his failure is not what annoys me though i expected that. It's how he conducted himself during his tenure that grew my dislike for the man, i feel he tried to throw everyone including Sir Alex under the bus to protect himself. I don't feel the same level of dislike for Van Gaal even though he also said some stupid shit not Moyes level disrespectful but still stupid, but i never disliked LVG beforehand so i'm sure thats why.
 
stevoc said:
Fair enough mate, i don't actually hate Moyes because i don't know the man personally. But i had a dislike for him going back many years, he's just not my cup of tea as they say and it annoyed me that he kept being linked with us when i thought he had done nothing to warrant such a job and if he did somehow get it he would be a disaster.

Well he was a disaster as we all know, his failure is not what annoys me though i expected that. It's how he conducted himself during his tenure that grew my dislike for the man, i feel he tried to throw everyone including Sir Alex under the bus to protect himself. I don't feel the same level of dislike for Van Gaal even though he also said some stupid shit not Moyes level disrespectful but still stupid, but i never disliked LVG beforehand so i'm sure thats why.
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Well I never felt hatred or dislike because I could see what was going on. He was an Everton level manager who had a once in a lifetime oppurtunity to make it to the big league of managers. He screwed it up and will likely never get that oppurtunity again. As a person, he must always be thinking "if only I had done that if only I had this done".

I just understand why he would (wrongfully) blame others before him. To me it is kind of sad to see and I have moved on.
 
He will never manage a big club again. Sunderland is a good lever for him.
 
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