You missed the part where Lamela jumped in front of VVD who was clearing aiming to kick the ball?
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You missed the part where Lamela jumped in front of VVD who was clearing aiming to kick the ball?
Well yeah, that post is a photo from way earlier in the move.
You've posted the same clip as earlier. The angle you're providing lacks depth. It was as clear a penalty as you'll likely to see and which is why only Liverpool fans are claiming it wasnt
This is not school playground; " i didn't mean it". Van dijk kicked him. It was not maybe hard kick but he kicked him. You can see that clearly. So it is a penalty.
Yes, but he kicked Lamela instead, hence the penalty.
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Knowing a player is offside behind you isn't part off the rulebook otherwise the rule would be offside is offside no matter what.
It just isn't offside. He's not near Lovern to impede him, attempting to play the ball or is even in his eyeline.
Is it offside if the deflection falls to Trippier out wide who quickly squares it to an onside Kane? Lovern would still be in that same situation trying to clear it with Kane behind him..
Knowing a player is offside behind you isn't part off the rulebook otherwise the rule would be offside is offside no matter what.
It just isn't offside. He's not near Lovern to impede him, attempting to play the ball or is even in his eyeline.
Is it offside if the deflection falls to Trippier out wide who quickly squares it to an onside Kane? Lovern would still be in that same situation trying to clear it with Kane behind him..
How did Lamela jump into him? he gets in front of him and VVD is mid swing of his foot.
He got in between when VVD was already going for the kick. That for me, is the key. Not a penalty.
Liverpool got done by the lino, but I must say it does not upset me one little bit 
Are you going to claim that TAA's yellow wasn't a foul either? Because he was lunging for the ball and the Spurs player came in there and challenged for it. You're responsible for your limbs while on a football pitch. This isn't rocket science.
There's a difference between just running into someone's leg mid-way through a kicking motion (which is NOT what Lamela did) and going for the ball and ending up getting kicked by someone who's not aware of his surroundings.
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Correct.
This is from FIFA's official rule book.
Tell me how this situation does not compare to the one today?
Refs have to sit down every season and decide how to apply FIFAs rules in practical game situations. I assume they confer with UEFA and FIFA too on the standards as this level of referee will be used in European and international competition.
There are grey areas clearly but if the rules are being applied in this way at this time then he was not offside today. Perhaps they will change the interpretation in time.
Specifically regarding to how the rules are applied in the PL right now, it appears he was not offside given the views from the folks that set the standards.
But, he kicked him. It doesn't matter a damn that VVD hesitated and let Lamela in. In fact it's shitty defending by him not knowing his surroundings.
Lamela jumped into the kick. I would have given a free kick to Liverpool.
You're right of course, he was indeed offside too. As if more evidence of it never being a penalty was required
The posts on here are hilarious.
2-2. get over it and move on
2-2. get over it and move on
Did he distract the player whilst in an offside position, that is in the rulebook. I think he did, you think he didn't. That's pretty much what it boils down to.
Either Liverpool or Spurs got fecked so I'm happy either way!
High scoring draw with lots of good football, as I'm planning on watching it. A couple red cards to key players at the end would be a bonus
So we got what we wanted
A bit gutted to have missed it but such is life.Watch the video again. he didn't 'kick him', Lamela actually runs into VvD.
That's where we differ.
Wait, how are you quoting my post and coming to the conclusion that he's not offside? Look at my other post as well (bottom of page 53, here's the image again) and tell me how you come to that conclusion.
If VVD didn't kick Lamela, Lamela would have gotten the ball. It was a kick, it was a penalty.
Is the correct answer.
However I'm not going to argue with every naysayer on this. The evidence is clear, it was never a penalty. That said if I was a United fan I wouldn't give a shit .. it would have been the result I wanted no matter how it came about and the fact Liverpool fans are incensed would only make it the sweeter
I want to kick a ball, you jump in between my leg and the ball and go down. That's a free kick for me not you.
We clearly saw what happened differently.
So once VVD's decided that he's going to swing at the ball, no other player on the pitch is allowed to challenge for it, eh? Lamela gets himself between VVD and the ball, which is exactly where you'd put yourself if you were challenging for the ball.
A ball dropping from the sky is not VVDs god-given right to have. All other players have a right to challenge for it as well. Every player on the pitch is responsible for their own body parts. If he'd seen Lamela he should've pulled out of the kick, but he didn't, hence it's a pen.
That is irrelevant. We cant make rules up. He wasnt in control of the ball. He fouled a Spurs player.
If we started caring about those things, 50-50 tackles would never result in a free kick.
It's part and parcel of fandom. You get angry for half an hour and then calm down afterwards. Every fanbase does it, I still remember an inconsequential Drogba offside like 8 years on because this forum banged on about it for years.
No he wouldn't he was too late. Why do people even claim this when the video above is pretty damn clear.
However I'm not going to argue with every naysayer on this. The evidence is clear, it was never a penalty. That said if I was a United fan I wouldn't give a shit .. it would have been the result I wanted no matter how it came about and the fact Liverpool fans are incensed would only make it the sweeter
You don't deserve to have the ball. If you try to kick the ball and I get there first and you kick me it's a foul.
Lamela had zero intention of actually playing the ball, that's a weak argument. He jumped in to get that kick that Van Dijk desperately tried to pull out of. It was clever.
For me, this is a penalty because it was Liverpool. If this was awarded against us, I'd be furious, probably.
Is the correct answer.
However I'm not going to argue with every naysayer on this. The evidence is clear, it was never a penalty. That said if I was a United fan I wouldn't give a shit .. it would have been the result I wanted no matter how it came about and the fact Liverpool fans are incensed would only make it the sweeter
Thanks mate.
I was absolutely delighted with the result. Exactly what I hoped for.
It's absolutely clear, yes. That VVD kicked Lamela. It's on video.No he wouldn't he was too late. Why do people even claim this when the video above is pretty damn clear.
However I'm not going to argue with every naysayer on this. The evidence is clear, it was never a penalty. That said if I was a United fan I wouldn't give a shit .. it would have been the result I wanted no matter how it came about and the fact Liverpool fans are incensed would only make it the sweeter
Look at the replay, the only way Lamela was going to be able to play that ball was elbowing it towards the corner flag. He was throwing himself at the kicker's foot.
Souness and Carragher just said that VVD should have made a good strong headed clearance in the first place, but Llorente being there made sure he couldn't, good play by Spurs and then he was unaware of who was round him leading to not knowing Lamela was about. All his own doing.
The debate over whether Kane was offside or not seems to be detracting from the fact that, from what I've seen, he basically dived anyway.
Specsavers must be close to you ... you should give them a try. But I doubt you could even find them TBH.
I genuinely don't see conclusive contact, in any replay (which makes it funnier tbf). And it looks (to my untrained eye) like VVD's foot goes near Lamela's lower leg and he goes down holding his upper leg, but a longer replay could prove that wrong.
edited to add "conclusive"
And it's a bit of a pointless debate because he missed the penalty anyway.
But what's a football forum without pointless debates? They wouldn't even exist.
Indeed, and the important people in this debate are the match officials. They gave a penalty end of.
you should focus on why, at home, you went one up then allowed Spurs to dominate, equalise, save a penalty, go 2-1 up in time added but conspire to give them an opportunity to put a ball into the danger area. That's on your team not the match officials
Well that's a first.
I don't really get involved in the intricacies that get discussed such as they are with detailed comparisons of how long Valencia spends at the sidelines in his own half or how often Rashford spins with the ball at his feet between the 60th and 75th minute or how many players whose names begin with an "N" end up in the semi circle when they receive a pass from more than 10 yards from a player who is Libran but only eats every other Tuesday. I'm mostly here for absurd jokes.
you are the yang for all the yings here.