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Of course we're in the minority, proven by the party's massive win at the last general election, followed up by the best local election results in a generation. Two victories really hammered home by inflicting a series of defeats against the govt on Brexit. Had none of those things happened then a back-slapping gathering in a field might have come across as a bit self-indulgent and out of touch.
 
Oscie said:
Pfft. Do children gather in a field for a play date to sing songs and eat ice cream? I don't think so! You're way out of line

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So your criticism of this event was that ice cream was eaten?

That's a bit weird even by your overly critical standards...
 
Actually my main criticism of the event is that the party seems to have channeled more energy and resources into an event where Corbyn can come out and wave than it has opposing hard Tory Brexit.
 
Oscie said:
Actually my main criticism of the event is that the party seems to have channeled more energy and resources into an event where Corbyn can come out and wave than it has opposing hard Tory Brexit.
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I really don't get that. You are criticising the events because they didn't do something that they don't want to do?
 
Tory MPs who recognise what a disaster Brexit is, try to pass amendments to defeat the government of which they're members.

Jeremy Corbyn comes on stage and waves.

Thank God we've finally got a real opposition, eh?
 
Oscie said:
Tory MPs who recognise what a disaster Brexit is, try to pass amendments to defeat the government of which they're members.

Jeremy Corbyn comes on stage and waves.

Thank God we've finally got a real opposition, eh?
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You seem to not understand that the opposition won't always have a different opinion, they don't have the obligation to disagree with everything. Conversely, being members of a party doesn't mean that you have to agree with everything.
 
Labour are in a worse position politically with the voters than the Tories about Brexit. A large proportion of their traditional voters are Leave voters and the press will likely cause a scandal if Labour resist, then the Tories and the press will shift the blame to them as 'saboteurs'.
I'd say that they appear to be accepting that we are leaving the EU, and just want to get out of the way for the above reasons.

If Labour ever want those working class white votes back killing Brexit will be terminal- though I suspect that they are gone forever now anyway.

I say that as someone who wishes the result was different as it is folly- it is likely going to be a self inflicted economic disaster, a self-immolation in terms of political influence or both.
 
Drainy said:
Labour are in a worse position politically with the voters than the Tories about Brexit. A large proportion of their traditional voters are Leave voters and the press will likely cause a scandal if Labour resist, then the Tories and the press will shift the blame to them as 'saboteurs'.
I'd say that they appear to be accepting that we are leaving the EU, and just want to get out of the way for the above reasons.

If Labour ever want those working class white votes back killing Brexit will be terminal- though I suspect that they are gone forever now anyway.

I say that as someone who wishes the result was different as it is folly- it is likely going to be a self inflicted economic disaster, a self-immolation in terms of political influence or both.
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The majority of Labour supporters who are hard Brexiters are in safe seats. The political calculation that they must appease a minority of their support in seats where they'd win even if they put a packet of smokey bacon crisps up for election but isolate large sections of their recently lost support to the SNP who are overwhelmingly pro-European and who they must win else they stand no chance of winning an election again regardless of what happens in England - seems a flawed political calculation to me.
 
Pexbo said:
I really do think Farage is the “former European MP” that Mueller has evidence on and will implicate or indict soon.
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Definitely. He's also visited Assange so I wouldn't be surprised if he gets wrapped up in the Mueller report.
 
It's a disgrace we have to depend on the American justice system to bring our politicians to account. A fecking disgrace.
 
It's become clear American laws work a lot better than ours. Those cnuts made a mockery of parliament last week.
 
Tories making headway this morning with their "£600m a week for the NHS" - obvious bollocks and even more obvious bollocks some are linking it to a 'Brexit windfall'. Still it's generated some decent coverage for them today. Not as good as waving at people in a field would have got them but we can't all be masters of political spin, I guess. How the leader of the opposition challenges this will be interesting, hopefully arguing that Brexit will mean even less money for public services, not more. I guess when he makes his next public appearance in a couple of weeks he can raise that.
 
Drainy said:
Labour are in a worse position politically with the voters than the Tories about Brexit. A large proportion of their traditional voters are Leave voters and the press will likely cause a scandal if Labour resist, then the Tories and the press will shift the blame to them as 'saboteurs'.
I'd say that they appear to be accepting that we are leaving the EU, and just want to get out of the way for the above reasons.

If Labour ever want those working class white votes back killing Brexit will be terminal- though I suspect that they are gone forever now anyway.

I say that as someone who wishes the result was different as it is folly- it is likely going to be a self inflicted economic disaster, a self-immolation in terms of political influence or both.
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I wouldn't waste your breath Oscie et al spent months on here saying Corbyn and his team needed to focus on political manoeuvring to keep the masses and papers on side but have done a 180 since.

Now suddenly they want him to kill the party for a fruitless attempt to stop brexit.
 
Smores said:
I wouldn't waste your breath Oscie et al spent months on here saying Corbyn and his team needed to focus on political manoeuvring to keep the masses and papers on side but have done a 180 since.

Now suddenly they want him to kill the party for a fruitless attempt to stop brexit.
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Disagree. Think Labour have a huge bearing on what kind of brexit we have and the votes in parliament prove it.
Anyway it's a pointless argument now as we are past that.
 
Oscie said:
Tories making headway this morning with their "£600m a week for the NHS" - obvious bollocks and even more obvious bollocks some are linking it to a 'Brexit windfall'. Still it's generated some decent coverage for them today. Not as good as waving at people in a field would have got them but we can't all be masters of political spin, I guess. How the leader of the opposition challenges this will be interesting, hopefully arguing that Brexit will mean even less money for public services, not more. I guess when he makes his next public appearance in a couple of weeks he can raise that.
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It's probably linked to the devaluation in Sterling now meaning the NHS need more funding to import medicine and equipment, so I guess it is related to Brexit.

You can't expect the press to report neutrally, May dropped Leveson 2 and Corbyn wants to raise their taxes.
 
It's the usual suspects saying Brexit windfall. That's some would believe that shite is a bit of a joke.
The spending would still be below average levels.
 
Smores said:
I wouldn't waste your breath Oscie et al spent months on here saying Corbyn and his team needed to focus on political manoeuvring to keep the masses and papers on side but have done a 180 since.

Now suddenly they want him to kill the party for a fruitless attempt to stop brexit.
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Kill the party? You know I have some sympathy (not a lot, but some) for the argument that opposing Brexit would have been politically perilous. I think there’s a stronger counter argument, but at least I see where people are coming from.

But Labour aren’t just not opposing Brexit. They’re being told they have to abstain on votes that have no effect on Brexit actually happening, but that just force a softer Brexit. So what are we supposed to think, when Labour appear to be just as eager as the Tories to slam shut the doors and push us into what increasingly looks like being the hardest possible of Brexits?
 
These people have no regard for the truth.
Who votes for these cnuts?
 
Kentonio said:
Kill the party? You know I have some sympathy (not a lot, but some) for the argument that opposing Brexit would have been politically perilous. I think there’s a stronger counter argument, but at least I see where people are coming from.

But Labour aren’t just not opposing Brexit. They’re being told they have to abstain on votes that have no effect on Brexit actually happening, but that just force a softer Brexit. So what are we supposed to think, when Labour appear to be just as eager as the Tories to slam shut the doors and push us into what increasingly looks like being the hardest possible of Brexits?
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Yeah, but the real issue is obviously that Oscie likes banging on about Corbyn and not the fact that there are a ton of Corbyn supporting Labour remainers in the CE forum cupping their hands over their ears and repeating 'this is fine' whenever Corbyn whips his MPs to support a policy that they think is utterly ruinous.
 
“and we as a country will be contributing a bit more”. Really Theresa? Gosh, I wonder where this money might be coming from?
 
Tories - the party of low taxes and increasing taxes. Wait a minute....
 
Adisa said:
If it works it, it further confirms that's Boris and condint really believe in Brexit, but just optics. How can something that is not true be a win?
I'm tired of politics.
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They want people to be tired of politics, then they can get away with anything they like.
 
Kentonio said:
They want people to be tired of politics, then they can get away with anything they like.
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They get away with anything they like already, 17.4 million believed all the lies two years ago, and most of them still believe them now.

Truth is not important. Just tell people what they want to hear and see how long you can get away with it.
 
NinjaFletch said:
Yeah, but the real issue is obviously that Oscie likes banging on about Corbyn and not the fact that there are a ton of Corbyn supporting Labour remainers in the CE forum cupping their hands over their ears and repeating 'this is fine' whenever Corbyn whips his MPs to support a policy that they think is utterly ruinous.
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It's not about burying heads in the sand i think everyone accepts brexit is a shit show, we just think its happening no matter what and Labour falling on its sword for the sake of trying isn't going to help anyone.

There's plenty of other channels actively pushing for soft brexit. Labour doing so for me will just bolster brexit sentiment when the papers spent months shouting traitors.
 
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