Westminster Politics

nokillingmoths said:
I hope you are right but thr last 4 years have taught me that the public of this country are easily deceived and ultimately don't care about stuff like this.
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Even the daily mail has turned on them. This isn't going away.
 
nokillingmoths said:
I hope you are right but thr last 4 years have taught me that the public of this country are easily deceived and ultimately don't care about stuff like this.
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The Daily Heil are the ones who deceive the public and they are choosing to go against Johnson and Cummings. The game is up.
 
Pexbo said:
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UK’s covid19 experience is a bonafide exceptional case, given how many have died. No politician can hide behind the ‘every country has had similar suffering’ excuse.

The UK public needs a person to direct its anger and frustration at. I’m not sure if it’s strategic or an unintended consequence, but the entire wrath of the nation can now be unloaded onto Cummings.

This may be a very astute political move from Boris, to deflect as much anger and frustration onto Cummings instead of himself.

If Boris plays this right, he can sack Cummings in a weeks time, ensuring he survives for the many mistakes he himself has made.
 
sammsky1 said:
UK’s covid19 experience is a bonafide exceptional case, given how many have died. No politician can hide behind the ‘every country has had similar suffering’ excuse.

The UK public needs a place to direct that anger and frustration. I’m not sure if it’s strategic or an unintended consequence, but the entire wrath of the nation can now be unloaded onto Cummings.

This may be a very astute political move from Boris, to deflect as much anger and frustration onto Cummings instead of himself.

If Boris plays this right, he can sack Cummings in a weeks time, ensuring he survives for the many mistakes he himself has made.
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Similarly, it's win-win for Johnson: if the people now decides to break lockdown & there's relatively few health consequences, or if there are serious health consequences, Johnson wins by life & business getting back to normal or by blaming the public if it all goes wrong.
 
sammsky1 said:
UK’s covid19 experience is a bonafide exceptional case, given how many have died. No politician can hide behind the ‘every country has had similar suffering’ excuse.

The UK public needs a person to direct its anger and frustration at. I’m not sure if it’s strategic or an unintended consequence, but the entire wrath of the nation can now be unloaded onto Cummings.

This may be a very astute political move from Boris, to deflect as much anger and frustration onto Cummings instead of himself.

If Boris plays this right, he can sack Cummings in a weeks time, ensuring he survives for the many mistakes he himself has made.
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It's far from astute! By supporting Dominic Cummings in this way, he has brought everything that the government has said during this crisis into disrepute. Sure, Dominic Cummings is getting the brunt of the anger, but the main takeaway from this is that there is a clear bias in the government and a willingness to overlook his behaviour. People aren't going to forget the government's role in this shambles.
 
SteveJ said:
Similarly, it's win-win for Johnson: if the people now decides to break lockdown & there's relatively few health consequences, or if there are serious health consequences, Johnson wins by life & business getting back to normal or by blaming the public if it all goes wrong.
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Very astute additional observations! Boris is many things, but stupid or politically naive he certainly isn’t.

I’m sure Boris has instinctively calculated how this can play out, and will ensure he uses Cummings gaffe to his political and reputational advantage.

Worse case, if he has to eventually sack Cummings, he can claim he was demonstrating loyalty by sticking up for his guy.

Being a responsible grown up, I just hope that if public now engage is mass disobedience of ‘Stay Alert’ measures, we don’t then get a 2nd wave. That’s is Boris’s lose-lose as it will all come back to this decision.
 
Compton22 said:
It's far from astute! By supporting Dominic Cummings in this way, he has brought everything that the government has said during this crisis into disrepute. Sure, Dominic Cummings is getting the brunt of the anger, but the main takeaway from this is that there is a clear bias in the government and a willingness to overlook his behaviour. People aren't going to forget the government's role in this shambles.
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What else can ‘people’ do to get the ‘justice’ that they seek?

We’ve already seen the BJ-Cummings play book many times over, generating similar levels of incandescent outrage, and yet they just double down and deflect.

This incident will certainly not be the end of both of them and if push comes to shove, Boris is skilled enough to limit his reputational damage with his base by deflecting onto Cummings.
 
Boris isn’t smart or politically astute or he wouldn’t be in this position. People overhype that fools abilities so much. He’s only where he is because of fecking Cummings in the first place. I can’t wait to see the fall. It’s coming.
 
Couldn't believe what I was seeing when our cnut PM was speaking earlier.

1. Comes out in an attempt to look like a figure of authority and pardons DC, when in actual fact he looked a mess, and was clearly all over the place.
2. Defends his best friend with saying its a parents instinct to want to protect their child. Correct.
3. Then the cnut PM quickly moves on to re-opening schools where there are still lots of question marks around this
4. Why are parents going to send their kids to school until they're confident it safe, or schools even re-open in the first place.....I mean, can they not use their own instincts to keep the children safe?

Boris is a twat, so are the Tories, we know this, but sadly their are too many stupid people in this country who back them (btw bizarrely they're stop supporters have suffered from Corona the worst). DC needs to go, and all those MPs that backed him need to get egged, badly, and the PM should get a public flogging for this
 
Brwned said:
Don't you think it's curious that they're putting up such a strong defence for an adviser? By strength I mean the amount of effort Boris and his allies have put into it, the argument is pretty weak obviously.
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I agree, perhaps MPs are far more disposable, and homogeneous that an advisor, who in theory is an expert in his field. I’m not defending him, but can understand why he’s more important than a minister who you can substitute and no one would notice.
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
Even the Daily Mail front page headline though. How big is this echo chamber that you imagine?
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I’m not convinced a large % of people really care. Most of the public won’t even have a clue who Dominic Cummings is. Have a look around, the population aren’t in lockdown anymore, and haven’t been for weeks.
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
I’m not convinced a large % of people really care. Most of the public won’t even have a clue who Dominic Cummings is. Have a look around, the population aren’t in lockdown anymore, and haven’t been for weeks.
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YouGov had the majority saying he should resign. It's got enough traction that it's enraged a fair share of usual Tory voters. To claim this is an echo chamber stuff is absurd.

I do agree it'll soon be forgotten though. Cummings needs to stay around for a bit of political protection whilst Vote Leave are investigated and at the same time he'll implicate far too many Tories to be abandoned to the wolves.
 
It's been obvious for years that she'll tweet anything for attention, as she needs the money.
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
I’m not convinced a large % of people really care. Most of the public won’t even have a clue who Dominic Cummings is. Have a look around, the population aren’t in lockdown anymore, and haven’t been for weeks.
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Honestly, whilst I agree with you the trend has been going in that direction, yesterday completely blew the lid off of it in my experience doing bike couriering. Not only were more people out, but social distancing had gone too.

That might be unrelated, but I suspect Cummings put the nail in the coffin of it. I don't mean to sound melodramatic, but I do suspect the events of the last few days will have gotten people killed
 
sammsky1 said:
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She fecked a random bloke in a field. Let's never forget that whenever she tries to act like she's a higher class of person compared to the people she tries to talk down to.
 
The new Pro Cummings angle on Twitter is that his kid is autistic so people should stop trying to play politics. Which is a dodgy argument for a couple of reasons;

1) the kid is four so that must be one hell of a diagnosis team that managed to discover that with the utmost certainty
2) Cummings is a twat
 
Mr Pigeon said:
The new Pro Cummings angle on Twitter is that his kid is autistic so people should stop trying to play politics. Which is a dodgy argument for a couple of reasons;
1) the kid is four so that must be one hell of a diagnosis team that managed to discover that with the utmost certainty
2) Cummings is a twat
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Only valid if Cummings himself states that the kid is autistic, and that only his sister knows how to care for him. But that again would be bollocks because he lives in central London and works for the PM, plenty of qualified carers would have been available within a 10 min drive.

He is really scrambling now to somehow conjure up a set of circumstances that somehow justify his decisions. Not sure if any such circumstances exist, that will stand unto the scrutiny this story will now face in coming days.
 
 
SteveJ said:
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fecking hell, at least the rest are being subtle trying to divert the narrative away from something that they can't argue against.
 
Peston said:
First the scientists turned on @BorisJohnson for failing to dismiss Cummings; now it’s the clergy. A pincer movement from empiricism and faith. Painful for the PM who increasingly cuts a lonely figure
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As with LK's 'hard-hitting' article earlier, there's an air of exasperation and regret that 'poor old Boris refuses to help himself.'
 
Mr Pigeon said:
fecking hell, at least the rest are being subtle trying to divert the narrative away from something that they can't argue against.
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That Telegraph writer's giving us the high hat, mate.
 
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