Would the deal be jeopardized in anyway with the confession as we notice up to date Spurs have denied it?
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Would the deal be jeopardized in anyway with the confession as we notice up to date Spurs have denied it?
Berbatov can play as a target-man and can score 20+ league goals. But that's not why we're buying him. We're buying him because he's a phenomenally talented footballer.
correct, he will fit in our fluid system as well and give us something different to compliment rooney and tevez power and pace, he will bring the composure and guile.
Tevez + Rooney = no target player.
What a disaster that turned out to be.
What I meant by Arshavin being a logical Berbatov replacement was pretty much what Pogue said, Berbatov's biggest role for Spurs is not his goals but his creativity in the final third and Arshavin could replicate that for them.
Rooney played as a target player. He did it well, the only pit fall being that his finishing was extremely poor at times - and he wasnt the Wayne Rooney we've come to know.
Neither Keane nor Arshavin can play like that.
With all due respect to spurs they dont have a ronaldo.
Rooney only played as a target man a couple of times, the majority of games we just didn't have one.
GusHiddink: No but neither does anyone else in the league. Berbatov scored I think 15 league goals last year, assuming Arshavin reaches double figures then they only need Modric and Dos Santos to chip in with a few and they'll have made up on what they lost.
He was playing in the Champions League final at 21. Berbatov has been on the radar as a great player for a very long time IMO.
Do you always have to act like you are dumb?You say it like you can't have more than one playmaker. And then you want to team Berbatov with Rooney...
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I've clearly said no such thing! That is a figment of your inane imagination. Arshavin being Berbatov's replacement has zero to do with more than one play maker being in the team or not. Are you mad? Who on here between you and me is discussing what Berbatov would do alongside Arshavin?
Keane is most likely leaving. So a Keane-Arshavin forwardline is unlikely to ever happen. You seem to be the only person actually getting to realise this. And even if Keane stayed. Arshavin is more likely to be employed alongside him behind a big foward than ahead of him.
But yet again Ramos famously employed Saviola, a player simlar to Keane in style, in a lone striker role, ahead of a 5 man very creative and attacking midfield at Sevilla and it worked like a charm. I wouldn't be too surprised if he got the same out of Spurs new look midfield with an Arshavin just behind a goal poacher with movement like Keane
No, he can't ever be. He plays nothing like Keane. His game is identical to Berbatov's without having Berbatov's size or physical presence. He would be replacing the creativity they'd lose when Berbatov leaves. It's taht simple. Mean while the size Berbatov brings and the goal poaching Keane provides will be replaced by men like Pavlychenko, Garcia or Santa Cruz, when they sign one or two of 'em, This should be clear.
This could come back and haunt me, but Berbatov seems to be one of those players with something special about him, an x-factor(much as I hate saying that phrase). He strikes me as someone who has no fear of a big occasion or reputations, and I'd bet my house on him being a huge success with us(if he signs).
Lots of great sides in recent years have played without a "target-man". This obssession with needing a "big guy/little guy" striker combo up front is very old-fashioned.
The Tevez and Rooney combination aside, have people already forgotten about AC Milan winning the Champion's League with (pint-sized) Inzaghi leading the line and Kaka just behind him?
The Tevez and Rooney combination aside, have people already forgotten about AC Milan winning the Champion's League with (pint-sized) Inzaghi leading the line and Kaka just behind him?
Yes without ronaldo, rooney and tevez's goal tally would have been enough
When ronaldo's out injured you muppets will finally see that playing with three supporting strikers (berba, rooney and tevez) won't give you a source of guaranteed goals.oh please come off it, what exactly did they do in their league that year
They struggled for goals all year and then just came good in the CL ala liverpool.Yes without ronaldo, rooney and tevez's goal tally would have been enough
Yeah, cause we really struggled for goals every time Ronaldo didn't feature last season.
Think how many goals we would have scored in that game, with Berbatov in the mix?
oh please come off it, what exactly did they do in their league that year
Seeing as this is a United message board and we've just won the double without any "target man", I can't believe I'm even having to bring up Inzaghi.
AC Milan aside, how about Barca the previous season? Samuel Eto'o is 5ft 11. Hardly a "target man", is he?
Yeah, cause we really struggled for goals every time Ronaldo didn't feature last season.
Think how many goals we would have scored in that game, with Berbatov in the mix?
Oh yes and how many matches didn't ronaldo play in? In that game arsenal played like they were just disinterested. Yes we may cope without that guaranteed source of goals in a few games but to have consistency (like we had) we need a player who's a guaranteed source of goals.
If you honestly think we'd have won the prem and CL without ronaldo's goals then you're deluded. Every top team has and needs a guaranteed supply of goals.
No. We're 'buying him' because he's a phenomenally talented footballer who will supposedly fit our side - our side in need of a lead the line goalscorer. If he can do it for us, he can do it for Spurs.
Doesn't matter, the guy is an amazing player who barca can rely on to get goals day in day out (he doesn't always but he does most of the time). As for your "without a target" man bollocks. Take ronaldo's 42 goals out of the equation and we're in trouble.
Yes without ronaldo, rooney and tevez's goal tally would have been enough
Don't get your point. I'm not saying that playing a forward pairing without a target man is a guaranteed success I'm saying it can be a success. With players in our team like Ronaldo who can score large numbers from the wing I didn't see any reason why it wouldn't work and it did.
If we lost Ronaldo and didn't replace him with a similar high scoring midfielder/forward then yeah I think we would struggle (assuming none of our current players took over his mantle) but we do have Ronaldo so what's the point of saying "without Ronaldo". Why would we plan our team based on assuming players we do have don't exist anymore?"
Good point
Fletcher is our new striker.
Because ronaldo's departure is inevitable! When he goes, who on earth will we buy from mimdfield who can score even 15+ let alone 40+? Then do we go and buy another winger and a proper CF. If that does happen. How on earth do we accomodate berbatov, rooney, tevez and the new forward? Thats my problem with the berbatov signing. The guy's immensely talented but not what we need when ronaldo leaves.
He was always leading the line. The leading the line striker is usually the player expected to impose some amount of hold up play and be the target in the box. Rooney always played this way.
He wasnt a static front man like Ruud. But he was the target for a lot of our attacks and balls played around the edge of the box.
This is where Spurs would need a target. Keane and Arshavin are quite light weight. Neither of them are bullet speed and together, they could quite possibly be kicked and muscled out of the game.
Keane has always played best next to a taller and stronger player for these reasons. Arshavin will not help him in this way. He will drift in and out of matches and make passes and goalscoring crosses and contribute a few goals, but he will not be a player than Keane can play off of. Most certainly not.
You could be talking about Rooney right here
This is such stupid logic I can't even be arsed getting into it. But Cidermans started a whole thread on it. Feel free to contribute.
I don't think we'd sign Berbatov AND another forward. It'd be Berbatov and a winger.
Winger ------------ Nani/Giggs/Park
---- Rooney -- Berbatov/Tevez
Whats this target man carp?? Were andy cole or yorke target men??
Berbatov is not a target man, infact you'll be hard pushed to identify many these days. Koller springs to mind as does heskey.
Berbatov is a supremely gifted footballer primarily who also has the physical requirements to carry out the job of leading the front line playing as utd traditionally do.
Neither tevez nor rooney fit the bill to carry out the role that WE traditionally have. Milan are milan.
When i refer to us needing a 'targetman' (though I don't think I have ever used that term) I don't really care how tall they are. I just mean someone who can play in and around the box, A natural striker, a poacher, someone who just knows wher ethe goal is. Ronaldo for instance. If Ronaldo leaves we will need someone to replace him- Berbatov is fine by me
cock-out time.
Ferguson admits Berbatov bid
Sir Alex has been speaking to the editor of the fanzine of the MUSC Scandinavian Branch before the departure to South Africa were he admits that the club has tabled a bid for Berbatov.
- We have submitted a bid for Bebatov, and we're optimistic about the prospect of signing him. He's impressed over a long period of time and would make a good addition to the squad, SAF says.
He admits that he would love to bring Berbatov to the pre-season tour to RSA, but says that the clubs is in no rush.
- We're in no rush and are hopeful to stage constructive negotiations with Tottenham soon.
Asked about Ronaldo, he didn't want to say much apart from "dealing with the matter it in a correct way".
http://www.united.no/united/nyheter/nyheter/tror_paa_berbatov_kjoep
Ferguson admits Berbatov bid
Sir Alex has been speaking to the editor of the fanzine of the MUSC Scandinavian Branch before the departure to South Africa were he admits that the club has tabled a bid for Berbatov.
- We have submitted a bid for Bebatov, and we're optimistic about the prospect of signing him. He's impressed over a long period of time and would make a good addition to the squad, SAF says.
He admits that he would love to bring Berbatov to the pre-season tour to RSA, but says that the clubs is in no rush.
- We're in no rush and are hopeful to stage constructive negotiations with Tottenham soon.
Asked about Ronaldo, he didn't want to say much apart from "dealing with the matter it in a correct way".
http://www.united.no/united/nyheter/nyheter/tror_paa_berbatov_kjoep
That's so two pages ago
I still find it hard to believe that Fergie would comment on a possible transfer like this.
No doubt the media will report it now saying that "respected website United.no reports that Fergie admits United have bid for Berbatov" just like that Brazilian website suddenly became a "respected website" when it carried the Ronaldo quotes.
I'm actually getting a bit excited about this.
I mean when you have a strikerforce of Ronaldo, Rooney, Tevez and Berbatov. With supporting players like Giggs, Nani, Anderson, Park etc The permeations are incredible.
Ok, he isn't my first choice, and I still think it's a ludicrous amount of money, but I am coming round tho the idea. Just sign him quick Fergie before I change my mind.
I mean when you have a strikerforce of Ronaldo, Rooney, Tevez and Berbatov. With supporting players like Giggs, Nani, Anderson, Park etc The permeations are incredible.
Ok, he isn't my first choice, and I still think it's a ludicrous amount of money, but I am coming round tho the idea. Just sign him quick Fergie before I change my mind.
My point was that it's quite possible for two players who are nominally "support strikers" to form an extremely effective strike partnership (as we saw last season with Rooney and Tevez, up until Rooney got injured and had a bit of a dip in form)
The only quality they lacked was a the ability to be a bit more dominant in the air. Which is where Berbatov comes in.
Yes, because we have Ronaldo to fill the gap that a traditional 'lead the line' striker would fill- namely score goals the other two keep fluffing.
is it a bit risky to annouce we have made a bid, haven't we learn from the ramsey lessons?
Hugely over-simplistic view that.
Ronaldo just had the season of his life. Rooney just had a season to forget (the reasons for which have been discussed to death). Similarly, Tevez will be a better player next season, his efforts last season were all the more impressive for the fact it was his debut seasons.
We also had almost no goals from central midfield (Anderson learning the ropes, Hargreaves taking a while to settle and Scholes/Carrick playing very deep) and not enough goal threat from the opposite wing (Nani was in and out of the team, Park was injured until after Christmas and Giggs was starting to show his age)
I expect most of the above flaws to be sorted next season and I predict Ronaldo's goals will be much more evenly distributed round the team next season, with or without him.
There's nothing really wrong with saying you have made a bid (although I think it's better to be quiet).
The Ramsey thing was bad because manutd.com said we had signed him.
welcome aboard my friend!! Agreed it is quite possible...although what i will say is that rooney and tevez only really formed a partnership over a period of about 3 games against the likes of zac knight...after that they were either not paired together or out of sorts (individually or at the same time for 1 reason or another).
Bit of both really.
But the reason that their burgeoning partnership never really took off was much more about the unfortunate timing of Rooney's injury and subsequent drop in form than the standard of opposition.
Tevez actually finished the season as one of our best players. It's just a pity that himself and Rooney never hit form together for any length of time. I actually remember saying the exact same thing about Rooney and Ronaldo in 06/07, come to think of it. Man, I hope El Blanco Pele plays to his full ability next season. If he does, we're sorted, no matter who we sign.
Like feck he can mate.
He's scored 27 in 2 seasons thats not even averaging 14. I'm sure he'll be rotating with tevez for most of the season anyways so i'd expect him in the mid teens again although i'm hoping with quality service he does get 20+ but not holding my breath.
And Carlito shits all over berbatov who everyone is having a wank over. One is world class the other is an international hyped to all ends by the english media.
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