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Pogue Mahone said:
Hugely over-simplistic view that.

Ronaldo just had the season of his life. Rooney just had a season to forget (the reasons for which have been discussed to death). Similarly, Tevez will be a better player next season, his efforts last season were all the more impressive for the fact it was his debut seasons.

We also had almost no goals from central midfield (Anderson learning the ropes, Hargreaves taking a while to settle and Scholes/Carrick playing very deep) and not enough goal threat from the opposite wing (Nani was in and out of the team, Park was injured until after Christmas and Giggs was starting to show his age)

I expect most of the above flaws to be sorted next season and I predict Ronaldo's goals will be much more evenly distributed round the team next season, with or without him.
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I wouldn’t say Rooney had a season to forget. I would say Rooney had a season where he was played out of position but still had a huge influence on almost all of the games he played in. But thats just Rooney. Yes, Ronaldo had the season of his life. This is my point. If he hadn’t, would we have won the league? Probably not. I agree this goes back to cidermans thread, but the fact is neither rooney or tevez look like getting us the goals that ronaldo did. Ronaldo scored evry time of goal imaginable, freekciks, headers, volleys, poachers goals. I just don’t think we have anyone else in the team with that killer instinct infront of goal, bar perhaps Scholes and he isn’t playing as far forward as he used to.

Is it fair to rely on ronaldo having another season like the one just gone? Maybe not, and it certainly isn’t wise to rely on that. The flaws I am referring to are the fact that both Tevez and Rooney play best as a ‘second striker’ finishing is not either’s strong point. I’m really not entirely sure it’s the type of flaws you can just iron out.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
My point was that it's quite possible for two players who are nominally "support strikers" to form an extremely effective strike partnership (as we saw last season with Rooney and Tevez, up until Rooney got injured and had a bit of a dip in form)

The only quality they lacked was a the ability to be a bit more dominant in the air. Which is where Berbatov comes in.
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Kaka and Inzaghi, Rooney and Tevez - Both are miles better than a combination of Keane and Arshavin. Inzaghi is always, always breaking in behind regardless of how often he gets caught offside. And Milan dominate a game through their midfield which allows for that. Spurs cant compete with that. They cant play that way.
 
SmashedHombre said:
I wouldn’t say Rooney had a season to forget. I would say Rooney had a season where he was played out of position but still had a huge influence on almost all of the games he played in. But thats just Rooney. Yes, Ronaldo had the season of his life. This is my point. If he hadn’t, would we have won the league? Probably not. I agree this goes back to cidermans thread, but the fact is neither rooney or tevez look like getting us the goals that ronaldo did. Ronaldo scored evry time of goal imaginable, freekciks, headers, volleys, poachers goals. I just don’t think we have anyone else in the team with that killer instinct infront of goal, bar perhaps Scholes and he isn’t playing as far forward as he used to.

Is it fair to rely on ronaldo having another season like the one just gone? Maybe not, and it certainly isn’t wise to rely on that. The flaws I am referring to are the fact that both Tevez and Rooney play best as a ‘second striker’ finishing is not either’s strong point. I’m really not entirely sure it’s the type of flaws you can just iron out.
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I think Rooney and Tevez will score plenty of goals next season. This whole "Rooney and Tevez can't finish" thing is getting blown out of all proportion. Rooney is lethal in front of goal when he's on form and Tevez scored 25 goals in his last season at Corinthians. He knows where the net is.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
That is a really stupid statement.
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Please he averages a goal every 2.5 games for tottenham world class my ass. Playing 1 decent season in epl and now he's up there with the best right. He plays what 8 games a season out of 50 against good opposition and now he's worth 30 million somebody's taking the piss.

And hes a geordie fan if that isn't bad enough.

There is no doubt that carlos tevez is better than berbatov and would outscore him in any league if they were playing on equal terms.
 
GAngel said:
Please he averages a goal every 2.5 games for tottenham world class my ass. Playing 1 decent season in epl and now he's up there with the best right. He plays what 8 games a season out of 50 against good opposition and now he's worth 30 million somebody's taking the piss.

And hes a geordie fan if that isn't bad enough.
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First of all, he's had two decent seasons for Spurs, despite all around him playing like a bunch of fannies.

Second of all, a "geordie fan", WTF? :confused:
 
Pogue Mahone said:
First of all, he's had two decent seasons for Spurs, despite all around him playing like a bunch of fannies.

Second of all, a "geordie fan", WTF? :confused:
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I don't consider his second season a success. Just when he should have been pushing his team like a true class player he turned off.

"The Bulgaria international grew up worshipping Alan Shearer - and slept in a No 9 Newcastle shirt!

Berba's mum Margarita, 45, a former champion handball player, recalls how the Shearer shirt became her boy's prized possession. "
 
I can't even be bothered to argue against anyone that thinks Berbatov is average - it is clearly completely unfounded bollocks - he has look quality against all of the top 4 sides, scoring in some, just impressing in others. The bloke was the second highest in the assist + goals chart - the second most productive player in the premiership, ahead of Torres, Fabregas and Rooney; are they all overrated?

Who defies Fergusons judgement?
 
We might have to look elsewhere for a striker if these reports are to be believed even though its fom Marca
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=780349


Barça Move From Adebayor To Berbatov
Barcelona have set their sights on signing a striker from a top north London club, but instead of Emmanuel Adebayor being in their sights it is Dimitar Berbatov that is now the target

The Blaugrana's technical secretary, Txiki Begiristain, has held talks with coach Pep Guardiola and the pair believe that Bulgarian could well be the frontman they are looking for, according to Marca.

While other outlets have Barça down as chasing Robinho, the Madrid-biased daily believe that the Catalan outfit will use the money from the sale of Ronaldinho to make a move for Berbatov.

Samuel Eto'o has already been told that he is no longer wanted and the priority now is to find a powerful striker to play on his own up front and lead the line.

Berbatov's technique and ability to hold up the play and create goals is something that Begiristain sees as crucial to Barça next term, with Thierry Henry and Lionel Messi alongside him.

Adebayor was said to be the main target, but Arsenal are refusing to play ball and Barcleona do not believe that the Togo striker is worth the €36m asking price.

Instead a bid of around €25m should see talks with Tottenham open and a deal could be wrapped quickly with the Premier League side preferring to see one of their stars go to Camp Nou rather than Manchester United.

Berbatov would jump at the chance to play for Barcelona, despite his current push towards Old Trafford and coach Juande Ramos could then use the fee to bolster his squad accordingly.
 
Younited.7 said:
Who defies Fergusons judgement?
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Plenty of people do. If they didn't there would be very little reason to have a football forum because the exact same thing would be said by hundreds of people over and over again. People don't change their opinions according to SAF's judgement so there really is no reason for bringing up that point.
 
Ringo 07 said:
We might have to look elsewhere for a striker if these reports are to be believed
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=780349


Barça Move From Adebayor To Berbatov
Barcelona have set their sights on signing a striker from a top north London club, but instead of Emmanuel Adebayor being in their sights it is Dimitar Berbatov that is now the target.

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The Blaugrana's technical secretary, Txiki Begiristain, has held talks with coach Pep Guardiola and the pair believe that Bulgarian could well be the frontman they are looking for, according to Marca.

While other outlets have Barça down as chasing Robinho, the Madrid-biased daily believe that the Catalan outfit will use the money from the sale of Ronaldinho to make a move for Berbatov.

Samuel Eto'o has already been told that he is no longer wanted and the priority now is to find a powerful striker to play on his own up front and lead the line.

Berbatov's technique and ability to hold up the play and create goals is something that Begiristain sees as crucial to Barça next term, with Thierry Henry and Lionel Messi alongside him.

Adebayor was said to be the main target, but Arsenal are refusing to play ball and Barcleona do not believe that the Togo striker is worth the €36m asking price.

Instead a bid of around €25m should see talks with Tottenham open and a deal could be wrapped quickly with the Premier League side preferring to see one of their stars go to Camp Nou rather than Manchester United.

Berbatov would jump at the chance to play for Barcelona, despite his current push towards Old Trafford and coach Juande Ramos could then use the fee to bolster his squad accordingly.
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BS
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Bit of both really.

But the reason that their burgeoning partnership never really took off was much more about the unfortunate timing of Rooney's injury and subsequent drop in form than the standard of opposition.

Tevez actually finished the season as one of our best players. It's just a pity that himself and Rooney never hit form together for any length of time. I actually remember saying the exact same thing about Rooney and Ronaldo in 06/07, come to think of it. Man, I hope El Blanco Pele plays to his full ability next season. If he does, we're sorted, no matter who we sign.
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Yeah they both had their moments over the course of the season but rarely together.

GAngel said:
Like feck he can mate.

He's scored 27 in 2 seasons thats not even averaging 14. I'm sure he'll be rotating with tevez for most of the season anyways so i'd expect him in the mid teens again although i'm hoping with quality service he does get 20+ but not holding my breath.

And Carlito shits all over berbatov who everyone is having a wank over. One is world class the other is an international hyped to all ends by the english media.
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LOL, another muppet to add on the list.

I thought tevez's best performance of the season was in europe against barce. And that was by in large an alan smith type of performance...none stop guts and workrate and did brilliantly for the team. The actual quality of his play for one reason or another (possibly fatigue) has not hit the heights of even his west ham days.

I think berbatov will bring that added quality, cos he sure as heck wont bring that lion's attitude. To call tevez world class and berbatov not strikes me as plainly stupid and ill informed..but i know very little.

If tevez improves and rooney improves and ronnie stays we'll have the best strikeforce in the world bar NONE.
 
Ringo 07 said:
We might have to look elsewhere for a striker if these reports are to be believed
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=780349


Barça Move From Adebayor To Berbatov
Barcelona have set their sights on signing a striker from a top north London club, but instead of Emmanuel Adebayor being in their sights it is Dimitar Berbatov that is now the target

The Blaugrana's technical secretary, Txiki Begiristain, has held talks with coach Pep Guardiola and the pair believe that Bulgarian could well be the frontman they are looking for, according to Marca.

While other outlets have Barça down as chasing Robinho, the Madrid-biased daily believe that the Catalan outfit will use the money from the sale of Ronaldinho to make a move for Berbatov.

Samuel Eto'o has already been told that he is no longer wanted and the priority now is to find a powerful striker to play on his own up front and lead the line.

Berbatov's technique and ability to hold up the play and create goals is something that Begiristain sees as crucial to Barça next term, with Thierry Henry and Lionel Messi alongside him.

Adebayor was said to be the main target, but Arsenal are refusing to play ball and Barcleona do not believe that the Togo striker is worth the €36m asking price.

Instead a bid of around €25m should see talks with Tottenham open and a deal could be wrapped quickly with the Premier League side preferring to see one of their stars go to Camp Nou rather than Manchester United.

Berbatov would jump at the chance to play for Barcelona, despite his current push towards Old Trafford and coach Juande Ramos could then use the fee to bolster his squad accordingly.
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Bugger :(
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I think Rooney and Tevez will score plenty of goals next season. This whole "Rooney and Tevez can't finish" thing is getting blown out of all proportion. Rooney is lethal in front of goal when he's on form and Tevez scored 25 goals in his last season at Corinthians. He knows where the net is.
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I'm not saying they cant finish, of course they can finish. I'm saying theyre enot always the most reliable. Think back to last season, Ronaldo did win us games, not because he is super duper amazing at football, but because he almost always finished his chances, where as Rooney and Tevez were quite inconsistent. You mention kaka and Inzaghi- Inzaghi is a natural poacher, something Rooney and Tevez aren't. They are fantastic players in their own right. I'm only basing my worries on the basis Ronaldo might leave, and if he does I feel we will need a goal scorer. If he doesn't I dont min dso much if we get Berbatov, though we do need another striker
 
Ringo 07 said:
We might have to look elsewhere for a striker if these reports are to be believed even though its fom Marca
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=780349


Barça Move From Adebayor To Berbatov
Barcelona have set their sights on signing a striker from a top north London club, but instead of Emmanuel Adebayor being in their sights it is Dimitar Berbatov that is now the target

The Blaugrana's technical secretary, Txiki Begiristain, has held talks with coach Pep Guardiola and the pair believe that Bulgarian could well be the frontman they are looking for, according to Marca.

While other outlets have Barça down as chasing Robinho, the Madrid-biased daily believe that the Catalan outfit will use the money from the sale of Ronaldinho to make a move for Berbatov.

Samuel Eto'o has already been told that he is no longer wanted and the priority now is to find a powerful striker to play on his own up front and lead the line.

Berbatov's technique and ability to hold up the play and create goals is something that Begiristain sees as crucial to Barça next term, with Thierry Henry and Lionel Messi alongside him.

Adebayor was said to be the main target, but Arsenal are refusing to play ball and Barcleona do not believe that the Togo striker is worth the €36m asking price.

Instead a bid of around €25m should see talks with Tottenham open and a deal could be wrapped quickly with the Premier League side preferring to see one of their stars go to Camp Nou rather than Manchester United.

Berbatov would jump at the chance to play for Barcelona, despite his current push towards Old Trafford and coach Juande Ramos could then use the fee to bolster his squad accordingly.
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No problem IF true.He's supposed to love united so he would turn down any offers from Barca.
 
Ringo 07 said:
We might have to look elsewhere for a striker if these reports are to be believed even though its fom Marca
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=780349


Barça Move From Adebayor To Berbatov
Barcelona have set their sights on signing a striker from a top north London club, but instead of Emmanuel Adebayor being in their sights it is Dimitar Berbatov that is now the target

The Blaugrana's technical secretary, Txiki Begiristain, has held talks with coach Pep Guardiola and the pair believe that Bulgarian could well be the frontman they are looking for, according to Marca.

While other outlets have Barça down as chasing Robinho, the Madrid-biased daily believe that the Catalan outfit will use the money from the sale of Ronaldinho to make a move for Berbatov.

Samuel Eto'o has already been told that he is no longer wanted and the priority now is to find a powerful striker to play on his own up front and lead the line.

Berbatov's technique and ability to hold up the play and create goals is something that Begiristain sees as crucial to Barça next term, with Thierry Henry and Lionel Messi alongside him.

Adebayor was said to be the main target, but Arsenal are refusing to play ball and Barcleona do not believe that the Togo striker is worth the €36m asking price.

Instead a bid of around €25m should see talks with Tottenham open and a deal could be wrapped quickly with the Premier League side preferring to see one of their stars go to Camp Nou rather than Manchester United.

Berbatov would jump at the chance to play for Barcelona, despite his current push towards Old Trafford and coach Juande Ramos could then use the fee to bolster his squad accordingly.
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25million euros when they have been refusing our bid of £25mil? Right.
 
Drifter said:
No problem IF true.He's supposed to love united so he would turn down any offers from Barca.
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Love United?

He loves Newcastle apparently.

But he had his heart set on United, according to Jol. A strange thing when you consider he turned us down just a year before. If he "loved United" that is. Its more than likely he "loves" the idea of playing for one of the best clubs and we're the best in England so he pinned his hopes on us. That doesn't mean he'll choose us over other huge clubs in other countries though.

I still don't get why Chelsea aren't interested. If Drogba goes he'd be the best replacement in the premiership who might be available at any price.
 
SmashedHombre said:
25million euros when they have been refusing our bid of £25mil? Right.
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Well that was always the way it was going to be apparently. They will be happy to accept a bid of a few less million if it comes from abroad. Cnuts.
 
GAngel said:
Please he averages a goal every 2.5 games for tottenham world class my ass. Playing 1 decent season in epl and now he's up there with the best right. He plays what 8 games a season out of 50 against good opposition and now he's worth 30 million somebody's taking the piss.

And hes a geordie fan if that isn't bad enough.

There is no doubt that carlos tevez is better than berbatov and would outscore him in any league if they were playing on equal terms.
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Berbatov is clearly a class player. He creates as many as he scores. Anybody with a pair of eyeballs doesn't need any statistics in order to see that.

And why oh why does every signing we make have to be dragged down on here to a debate about who is better? It happened with Hargreaves "he as good as Carrick?" "Is he better than Fletcher?" After a couple games in the first team for Anderson there were plenty of threads asking if hes better than Scholesy. Now with Berbatov, all I'm reading is "is he better than Tevez" or "is he better than what Ruud was for us". IT DOESN'T feckING MATTER. I don't care whether Berbatov or Tevez is better, so long as they both play for us. They'll offer something different to eachother, just as Hargreaves offers something different to Carrick and vice versa, just as Anderson offers something different to Scholes and vice versa, just as Park offers something different to Nani and vice versa, it doesn't matter who is apparantly better, having both in the fecking squad is amazing.
 
Brwned said:
Well that was always the way it was going to be apparently. They will be happy to accept a bid of a few less million if it comes from abroad. Cnuts.
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Thats more then 6 m difference my friend (if we did bid for 25m). There again its in Berbatov's hands. If he truly wants to join us then he will just refuse Barcelona.
 
Rowem said:
Berbatov is clearly a class player. He creates as many as he scores. Anybody with a pair of eyeballs doesn't need any statistics in order to see that.

And why oh why does every signing we make have to be dragged down on here to a debate about who is better? It happened with Hargreaves "he as good as Carrick?" "Is he better than Fletcher?" After a couple games in the first team for Anderson there were plenty of threads asking if hes better than Scholesy. Now with Berbatov, all I'm reading is "is he better than Tevez" or "is he better than what Ruud was for us". IT DOESN'T feckING MATTER. I don't care whether Berbatov or Tevez is better, so long as they both play for us. They'll offer something different to eachother, just as Hargreaves offers something different to Carrick and vice versa, just as Anderson offers something different to Scholes and vice versa, just as Park offers something different to Nani and vice versa, it doesn't matter who is apparantly better, having both in the fecking squad is amazing.
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True.
 
Brwned said:
Well that was always the way it was going to be apparently. They will be happy to accept a bid of a few less million if it comes from abroad. Cnuts.
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It's not like they're our title rivals. I suspect they'd sell to the highest bidder. Anything else makes little sense. Assuming the Barca link, is for real.
 
GusHiddink said:
:lol::lol::lol: If this was me id be getting victimised and gaining infractions for "general muppetry"..

Im going to save this post and regurgitate it on a regular basis throughout the season to see if you've changed your mind just a little
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Thats a bit harsh, I just dont rate berbatov in the £30m category. So unless he has a season that could be compared to the ones Ruud used to have in his prime for us, then i will be justified in my stance.
 
devilish said:
Thats more then 6 m difference my friend (if we did bid for 25m). There again its in Berbatov's hands. If he truly wants to join us then he will just refuse Barcelona.
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If both us and Barcelona agreed fees, I think he would join us. But if they agree before us I can see him happily saying yes to Barcelona.

Spoonov said:
It's not like they're our title rivals. I suspect they'd sell to the highest bidder. Anything else makes little sense. Assuming the Barca link, is for real.
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But we are their rivals in terms of league standings, and their long-term goal of being a Champions League team. This was what GS's ITK's were saying a good few weeks back, I'm not sure how much truth there is in it though. I would expect the difference to be only 2 or 3 million though.
 
There's a bit of a difference from not rating him in the £30m category but subsequently rating him as "no more than £12m".

As for the guy who said only English players are over priced. Robbie Keane is linked in £20m moves.
 
Ruud_boy_10 said:
Thats a bit harsh, I just dont rate berbatov in the £30m category. So unless he has a season that could be compared to the ones Ruud used to have in his prime for us, then i will be justified in my stance.
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Forget about the money, the price is always going to be inflated. Tell me, who are your alternatives then?
 
Brwned said:
If both us and Barcelona agreed fees, I think he would join us. But if they agree before us I can see him happily saying yes to Barcelona.



But we are their rivals in terms of league standings, and their long-term goal of being a Champions League team. This was what GS's ITK's were saying a good few weeks back, I'm not sure how much truth there is in it though. I would expect the difference to be only 2 or 3 million though.
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We're not their rivals in any sense. Ourselves and Chelsea are on a different planet. I suppose Arsenal and Liverpool could drop out of the top for over the next couple of years. . .but even that's highly improbable. If I were them, I'd take the highest amount of cash. . .and spend it strengthening the first team. They can have a long term goal of winning the CL, but won't mean anything other than delusions of grandeur. Fact is, they're at Everton, Villa and Portsmouth's level. I think they should be thinking of moving away from that pack first. I can't see them finishing top four for a few years. I could understand Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool not selling to us. . .but any other club would be cutting of their nose.
 
Spoonov said:
We're not their rivals in any sense. Ourselves and Chelsea are on a different planet. I suppose Arsenal and Liverpool could drop out of the top for over the next couple of years. . .but even that's highly improbable. If I were them, I'd take the highest amount of cash. . .and spend it strengthening the first team. They can have a long term goal of winning the CL, but won't mean anything other than delusions of grandeur. Fact is, they're at Everton, Villa and Portsmouth's level. I think they should be thinking of moving away from that pack first. I can't see them finishing top four for a few years. I couold understand Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool not selling to us. . .but anything club would be cutting of their nose.
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We are their rivals in the sense that we compete with them every season and 6 points are up for grabs every year when the two teams meet. We are definitely indirect rivals, from a Spurs point of view.
 
AttackingFlair said:
There's a bit of a difference from not rating him in the £30m category but subsequently rating him as "no more than £12m".

As for the guy who said only English players are over priced. Robbie Keane is linked in £20m moves.
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Robbie keane is only devalued because he's irish, to be frank
 
Brwned said:
We are their rivals in the sense that we compete with them every season and 6 points are up for grabs every year when the two teams meet. We are definitely indirect rivals, from a Spurs point of view.
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That's just silly. Who next? Stoke selling their best player to Barcelona instead of United for £10m less, because it may affect their chances of gaining points from us?
 
Spoonov said:
That's just silly. Who next? Stoke selling their best player to Barcelona instead of United for £10m less, because it may affect their chances of gaining points from us?
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I know it is, and yet most Spurs fans seem to agree with selling him for a lower price to a team from abroad.
 
niMic said:
What happened to that United.no article? I can't see it on the front page, and the link earlier in this thread isn't working. Were they asked to remove, or am I being stupid?
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It seems they removed the article about Berbatov's agent claims.

It can probably mean we made a bid for him and dont want to give any clue of our target.
 
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