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Pardon me?
SAF has never got it wrong with the big signing though, and i unclude veron it that statement.
haha look at those spurs fans response to fergie berbatov bid?
http://www.spurs.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=508218
http://www.spurs.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=508218
Can't believe how stupid people can be. Isn't this the first time since our bid last summer that anyone from United said anything about Berbatov?
tapping up?
What's wrong with that.I'll be pissed off if we were selling one of our top players to another PL club.
The press, as usual, stirs things up.
There are also rumoured to be offering Rafa Marquez in part exchange. And according to Spanish media reports, however reliable or otherwise these are, Berbatov has said he's willing to talk to Barca.
Sounds like Tottenham will be playing with a new team this season. Many new replicas at WHL
You couldn't blame him if he decided to go to Barca. For me, they are the only club equal to United.
To a foreign player they are likely ahead of United, even when we win the double and Barcelona dont get an automatic place in the champions league. They have players on the same level as ours and they have that sun thing we often hear about but don't always see.
So. We're "confident" we'll sign him. Didn't we say the same thing about Ramsey?
I've got a bad feeling about this
I've got a bad feeling about this
So. We're "confident" we'll sign him. Didn't we say the same thing about Ramsey?
I've got a bad feeling about this
Assuming we keep Ronaldo and do get Berbatov do you think Tevez will be 3rd choice?
Or on last years form, Rooney could be.
I wonder. Why would SAF refuse to name the player and then a few hours later, reveal who it is to Custis of all people?
Its very likely to have been Berbatov, I must admit. And I've no idea if the quotes are genuine as the official site says feck all and Custis is Custis. But that strikes me as very odd.
Its very likely to have been Berbatov, I must admit. And I've no idea if the quotes are genuine as the official site says feck all and Custis is Custis. But that strikes me as very odd.
To be honest, Tevez was the better finisher last year. But Rooney offered more overall. Tevez didn't really kick in gear with his contributions in open play and his goals - though plentiful for a player in his first season and extremely important in a lot of cases - masked that at times he struggled.
Rooney on the other hand, the vast majority of games, was only missing a decent finish from his performance. His team work and the runs he made stretching sides were world class at times and overall perhaps his poor finishing in the second half of the season masked that he actually had a big contribution to our season too.
I doubt the authenticity of these quotes in The Sun. I doubt SAF would have said that having been so guarded in his previous comments. Also, why on earth would he give The Sun the exclusive quotes?
Mischief making in the press.
Mischief making in the press.
I doubt that very much.
Dunno. As Gaffs said, Tevez probably contributed more consistently than Rooney last season. But Rooney is a better player, IMO. Be interesting to see how well Tevez performs this season, having finally had the rest he's been crying out for. Didn't he say he was only operating at 70% last season? If he can up his game by 30% he's gonna be a huge player for us.
Whatever happens, if we do sign Berbatov - and hold on to Ronaldo - we'll have competition for places up front, plenty of opportunities to rest key players and top class cover for injuries/suspensions. Which is a good thing.
For me, Tevez game more in his all round play than Rooney did through out last season.
Rooney is the better player, and i think he will get the nod over Tevez more often than not.
Those Sun quotes are, almost word for word, the quotes published by that Norwegian fan club article, that got pulled yesterday afternoon. Custis is just plagiarising his info from there (or, quite possibly, the caf!)
Definitely used the ball better. Can't remember the exact figure but his pass completion stats were amazing, for a striker. Very rarely gave the ball away. Rooney's ball retention was generally poor, especially by his own high standards.
Rooney is one of 3 players in our team who are world class, and pretty much undroppable. Even during his supposed 'off season' last season he was one of our best players. Stick him behind someone like Berbatov and Ronaldo may well find his rival for the best player in the world isn't just coming from Barca's pocket sized Argentinian wizard.
I spent most of last season arguing we would look better with a player like Berbatov, I'm just curious on everyones opinion on our first choice lineup if we had Berbatov and Ronaldo, because some people who were arguing against me seem to be quite excited by this potential transfer. (which is understandable as Berbatov is a fantastic player, this isn't any sort of me trying to claim I'm right and you're wrong, I really am curious)
It's definitely an interesting conundrum. I would love it if SAF could find a way to play Berbatov, Rooney and Tevez in the same team. Maybe have a crack at using the Hoddle-esque 4321?
Time will tell. My hunch is that Tevez will spend more time on the bench than Rooney or Berbatov but that he will still get plenty of games.
Anyone who has followed Tevez' career, would know this isnt even close to 70% of what he can do. He has always looked an absolute monster of a player, strong, quick (wonder what happened there), tricky, superb finisher. Should get a haircut and he's fixed.
Man Utd confident over Berbatov
Dimitar Berbatov
Ferguson has been tracking Berbatov for some time
Sir Alex Ferguson expects to prise striker Dimitar Berbatov from Tottenham by the end of the summer.
Reports have suggested the Manchester United boss has made a £22m bid for the 27-year-old but that Spurs want more.
"We have made Tottenham an offer on Berbatov and we have good expectations that this deal will go through," Ferguson told The Sun newspaper.
"Berbatov has been impressive for a long time and he would be a great addition to our attack."
Barcelona have also shown an interest in the Bulgarian following the exit of Ronaldinho to AC Milan and with Samuel Eto'o also set to leave but Ferguson is happy to bide his time over a player who scored 23 goals for Tottenham last season.
Speaking at the start of the club's pre-season tour of South Africa, the Scot said: "I think time will work for us more than against us.
"We will not stress this situation. We are hoping to have a constructive conversation with Tottenham in the near future."
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Berbatov can achieve things other players don't even think about
Insane
Ferguson has also insisted any deal for Berbatov would not mean winger Cristiano Ronaldo moving to Real Madrid.
"We will handle the situation in the best manner," he added.
According to Portuguese television station RTP, Ferguson met Ronaldo in Lisbon on Monday in a bid to persuade the player that his future lies at Old Trafford but that was on the back of reports suggesting the United manager was unable to fit such a meeting into his busy schedule.
Portugal star Ronaldo was ruled out of the trip to South Africa because he had surgery on an ankle problem earlier this month and faces up to 12 weeks on the sidelines.
Meanwhile, Ferguson is confident that Owen Hargreaves will be fit for the start of the season in August, despite the United midfielder suffering a recurrence of the tendinitis problem that first surfaced at the start of the last campaign.
Hargreaves is also sitting out the pre-season tour but Ferguson insisted: "By the time we come back from South Africa, Owen should be okay.
"We have certainly not written him off for the start of the season. He will have a series of injections in his knee but I am sure he will be fine."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/7513117.stm
Dimitar Berbatov
Ferguson has been tracking Berbatov for some time
Sir Alex Ferguson expects to prise striker Dimitar Berbatov from Tottenham by the end of the summer.
Reports have suggested the Manchester United boss has made a £22m bid for the 27-year-old but that Spurs want more.
"We have made Tottenham an offer on Berbatov and we have good expectations that this deal will go through," Ferguson told The Sun newspaper.
"Berbatov has been impressive for a long time and he would be a great addition to our attack."
Barcelona have also shown an interest in the Bulgarian following the exit of Ronaldinho to AC Milan and with Samuel Eto'o also set to leave but Ferguson is happy to bide his time over a player who scored 23 goals for Tottenham last season.
Speaking at the start of the club's pre-season tour of South Africa, the Scot said: "I think time will work for us more than against us.
"We will not stress this situation. We are hoping to have a constructive conversation with Tottenham in the near future."
606: DEBATE
Berbatov can achieve things other players don't even think about
Insane
Ferguson has also insisted any deal for Berbatov would not mean winger Cristiano Ronaldo moving to Real Madrid.
"We will handle the situation in the best manner," he added.
According to Portuguese television station RTP, Ferguson met Ronaldo in Lisbon on Monday in a bid to persuade the player that his future lies at Old Trafford but that was on the back of reports suggesting the United manager was unable to fit such a meeting into his busy schedule.
Portugal star Ronaldo was ruled out of the trip to South Africa because he had surgery on an ankle problem earlier this month and faces up to 12 weeks on the sidelines.
Meanwhile, Ferguson is confident that Owen Hargreaves will be fit for the start of the season in August, despite the United midfielder suffering a recurrence of the tendinitis problem that first surfaced at the start of the last campaign.
Hargreaves is also sitting out the pre-season tour but Ferguson insisted: "By the time we come back from South Africa, Owen should be okay.
"We have certainly not written him off for the start of the season. He will have a series of injections in his knee but I am sure he will be fine."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/7513117.stm
It still refers to the quotes in The Sun = bullshit.
Bang on.
I don't have the stats, but I can hardly remember Tevez wasting possession last season. As you mentioned, he hasn't had a summer break for years and has not played for a full season for a good stable club since he was at Boca. He can only get better next season.
IMO, on form, Keane and Berbatov were the best forward partnership in the Premiership. Its mouthwatering just to think what kind of partnership can be struck up between Berbatov and Tevez/Rooney. I think Fergie will play Berbatov furthest upfront, with Ron, Tevez and Rooney behind in a 4-2-3-1.
What and drop Ronaldo? I'm not sure that's going to be part of Fergies gameplan...
Yeah I agree with the second paragraph. Do you agree that Rooney playing off of Berbatov would be part of our strongest 11 then?
That fecking United.no website has actually caused United no end of harm with those quotes.
All the Spurs fans are hugely pissed off and calling Fergie a hypocrite for talking about buying their player in the same way we criticise Real Madrid for.
Interesting, I remember Tevez wasting possession a few times last season, especially at the beginning of the season.
I really don't think we will play Ronaldo, Rooney, Berbatov and Tevez as our starting 11. Certainly not against the better teams.
What and drop Ronaldo? I'm not sure that's going to be part of Fergies gameplan...
Yeah I agree with the second paragraph. Do you agree that Rooney playing off of Berbatov would be part of our strongest 11 then?
Even if Ronaldo stays, he wont be available for a month or so.
On paper, Rooney behind Berbatov would be fantastic. But footballs not played on paper as the ppl who said Tevez and Rooney could not play together should now realise.
No he won't, and I expect Park or Nani to fill in for him on the right more than tevez or Rooney if we buy Berbatov
Lets be honest, Rooney had a bit of a shite season last time around.
If he keeps the same form going this season, then Tevez should be ahead in the pecking order.
If Rooney becomes able to suddenly aim at, and hit a barn door soon, then Rooney should be preferred.
--------DEFENCE---------
Carrick/Hargo---Scholes/Ando
Ronaldo - Rooney - Tevez
----------Berba-------------
The Holy Trinitiy could and would be moving position all the time, and Giggs, Nani and Park would also feature
If he keeps the same form going this season, then Tevez should be ahead in the pecking order.
If Rooney becomes able to suddenly aim at, and hit a barn door soon, then Rooney should be preferred.
--------DEFENCE---------
Carrick/Hargo---Scholes/Ando
Ronaldo - Rooney - Tevez
----------Berba-------------
The Holy Trinitiy could and would be moving position all the time, and Giggs, Nani and Park would also feature
A partnership of Rooney and Berbatov sure does whet the appetite.
Depends of how Fergie wants to set the team up - 442 or something a little more unorthodox.
It could depend on how quickly we sign Berbatov. If it drags on for another couple of weeks, then Fergie wont get any friendly games to experiment in. Berbatov may even be played off the bench for a while if he signs late, like Tevez last year.
That is a very, very narrow formation and I really can't see Fergie suddenly changing a 20 year old philosphy of playing down the wings. Plus I can't see it working. We shou ldplay our strongest team, not our strongest players. There is no widthe there, Ronaldo cuts inside more often than he plays out wide, Scholes and Carrick certainly can't be expected to cover the wings and it will stifle both Rooney and Tevez as they will be expected to drop back in centre midfield and fill in out wide. In short, I don't see how that will work
I'd rather Eto'o!!
Let him go to Barca.
Let him go to Barca.
What and drop Ronaldo? I'm not sure that's going to be part of Fergies gameplan...
Yeah I agree with the second paragraph. Do you agree that Rooney playing off of Berbatov would be part of our strongest 11 then?
Like I said, I'm not sure. We might see Rooney playing on either side of Berbs, as part of a front three. Or we might see Rooney, Ronaldo and Tevez, swapping positions for fun, just behind Berbatov (my personal preference
)Rooney is clearly being developed into a total footballer, equally at home in any of the positions in the final third and, interestingly enough, some of his best work last season came from out wide (the cross to Wes Brown, which kick-started our annihilation of Liverpool being a good example of this) As you well know (having argued about this a lot last season
) I firmly believe that the whole "Rooney should play behind a lead striker, in a 442" theory is a good few years out of date.With all this talk about Rooney having a crap season last year, is Berbatov actually that good etc...
Did anyone see the stat on SSN this morning? If you put together assists and goals since Berbatov has been in the Premiership (so basically how many goals each player directly had a hand in) the list was;
Ronaldo
Rooney
Berbatov
Did anyone catch the totals?
Did anyone see the stat on SSN this morning? If you put together assists and goals since Berbatov has been in the Premiership (so basically how many goals each player directly had a hand in) the list was;
Ronaldo
Rooney
Berbatov
Did anyone catch the totals?
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