Berbatov | Fulham player
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Post 339: "And yes, Berbatov is 10 times the football Bendtner is, FWIW, to anyone who thinks I'm trying to argue either that 1. Bendtner's a better footballer or 2. Bendtner's had a better season."
Brwned was merely saying that PS's stats didn't back Pogue's claim. He's a feisty little pecker but right on this one.
Brwned was merely saying that PS's stats didn't back Pogue's claim. He's a feisty little pecker but right on this one.
The difference being Bendtner does all the ox-work for us. He's been opening up space for our other players to sneak into, he's attack and defended and worked his socks off. He gets to the right places and he's also a pretty handy passer with a good eye for the killer through-ball. Don't underestimate him there. Once he sorts out his finishing he'll become a very good striker.
As far as expectations to output between the two Bendtner's (comfortably) ahead this season.
Edit: If Bendtner could garner Berbatov's class and composure he'd be one of the best strikers in the world.
It'll be interesting to see when Arsenal will have all its attacking players fit who'll start regularly for them.Any idea Cesc ?
Hrm, I'd expect it would be Adebayor with either RVP/Eduardo. It's going to be a pretty healthy problem to have though, that's for sure.
Adebayor, Van Persie, Eduardo, Bendtner, Walcott, Vela. With Arshavin, Nasri, Cesc, Rosicky, Diaby and Eboue vying for the (attacking) midfield berth.
Adebayor, Van Persie, Eduardo, Bendtner, Walcott, Vela. With Arshavin, Nasri, Cesc, Rosicky, Diaby and Eboue vying for the (attacking) midfield berth.
I could see a couple of players leaving in that list (Rosicky and Eboue) but it's just an opinion like that
Eboue just recently signed a new contract for them.
Why are many of you shaking your heads if people compare those two strikers?
In fact if we look at the stats they are very compareable.
In fact if we look at the stats they are very compareable.
Um...
Still haven't gotten the hang of reading yet?
Aw, you'll get there sometime son.
He needs to sort out keeping the ball though, he gives it away stupidly far too much. Don't really think it has anything to do with his first touch, a lot of players that play like him have an inconsistent first touch, he just doesn't concentrate hard enough.
It's a factor to take into consideration indeed but we've seen in the past players who left one year after signing a new contract
You really are a condescending little prick from the safety of your keyboard aren't you sonny!
But Hey ho that's the Internet I suppose.
Show me 4 chances of Tevezs that he missed when it would have been easier to score and you'll have a point.
You really are a condescending little prick from the safety of your keyboard aren't you sonny!
But Hey ho that's the Internet I suppose.
Aye, that's what it is.
Because outside of the internet you'd batter me, eh?
Well Tevez has missed chances this season too. You may have a point that Berbatov has missed a few easier ones than Tevez has this season... In which case Tevez would be the better finisher then?
I rate Bendtner quite highly. He's able to lead the line effectively which is something that Berbatov and Tevez for that matter can't do.
Like most things you can read what you will from it, I feel the sitters Berbatov missed were too easy to be put down to finishing ability and say more about a player who hasn't\hadn't properly relaxed into the team (I think the unexpected 10m on his price affected him a lot). And I'd like to think had he been settled he'd have buried them along with peoples doubts.
Everything now makes sense.
bentner better than berbatov have i missed something!?!?
lol, this is a new low
lol, this is a new low
The problem you're gonna encounter with that perfectly reasonable argument is that you're debating with 'tards who don't see footballers as people so much as a bunch of FM2009-style attributes and ratings.
If a striker misses a sitter his redcafe "finishing rating" is reduced permanently.
You rate Tevez quite highly don't you? Same amount of goals as Bendtner this season having played more games.
Neither of them are a patch on the mighty Yakubu, right?
Well, I wouldn't phrase it like that but I would take the Yak over those two, yes.
Hmm.
I find a lot of the talk about Berbatov's price tag crazy, whether it's people blaming that extra £10m on Man City coming in for him at the end which seems bizarre, using it as a way of criticising him by saying 'well, you'd not expect a £30m striker to miss that chance' or that the price is having an adverse effect on him.
1. I don't see why Man City coming in is the main reason for us paying that much, chances are even if they didn't come in for him we still would've had to pay that much for him and Spurs were always going to ask for over £30m.
2. Using his price tag for any form of criticism is just muppetry at it's best.
3. He did say that he doesn't care how much Manchester United paid for him, just like Michael Carrick.
Tevez - 12 goals in 36 Carling Cup, Fa Cup, Premier League and Champions League games.
Bendtner - 11 goals in 36 Carling Cup, Fa Cup, Premier League and Champions League games.
Nice one.
1. You seriously don't see how the late arrival of another (incredibly wealthy) bidder could have pushed up the price we had to pay? What Spurs ask Spurs don't always get.
2. Agreed.
3. He would say that. Doesn't mean it didn't affect him. Same with Michael Carrick, who's only really started to impose himself in his second season at the club.
Might've. Chances are they were always going to ask for £30m though.
He only really started to impose himself because he shook off that pricetag, or that he'd just settled in properly?
See the edit. What Spur ask they don't necessarily get. With City ready to pay whatever they want, our hand was forced.
Bit of both, I'd say. Players can talk about how they don't think about their price-tag but stands to reason it would be on their mind. Especially if their new career gets off to a slow start.
Bendtner has 12 goals in those competitions, get your stats right.
And you've conveniently left out four ''other'' games that Tevez played in, two in the WCC, one in the Charity Shield and one in the ESC, all of which he didn't score in.
Nice one.
Any chance we can get comparable stats up for Beattie, Bent and Bellamy? I'd like to complete the set.
You can't compare them, seeing as Bendtner never had a chance to play in any of those matches.
Makes more sense to compare the matches they've played in the same competitions.
And apparently he has 11.
They have both played 39 matches, Tevez has won two trophies and scored one more goal than Bentner.
Oh come on that's weak even for you.Bendtner's 12 goals this season:
One against FC Twente in a 4-0 home win.
One against Bolton in a 3-1 away win.
Two against Sheffield United in a 6-0 home win.
One against Dynamo Kiev in a 1-0 home win.
One against Plymouth in a 3-1 home win.
One against Bolton in a 1-0 home win.
One against Hull in a 3-1 away win.
One against Cardiff in a 4-0 home win.
Two against West Brom in a 3-1 away win.
One against Newcastle in a 3-1 away win.
Which goal are you disputing?
Tevez has played 40 games and has scored the same amount of goals as Bendtner. So no.
Bendtner's 12 goals this season:
One against FC Twente in a 4-0 home win.
One against Bolton in a 3-1 away win.
Two against Sheffield United in a 6-0 home win.
One against Dynamo Kiev in a 1-0 home win.
One against Plymouth in a 3-1 home win.
One against Bolton in a 1-0 home win.
One against Hull in a 3-1 away win.
One against Cardiff in a 4-0 home win.
Two against West Brom in a 3-1 away win.
One against Newcastle in a 3-1 away win.
Which goal are you disputing?
The goal in the Champions League qualifiers, seeing as Tevez never played in one of them, it's not fair to compare.Joking
Do we judge strikers purely on goals then?
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I apologise for that statement...I was in a bad mood yesterday.
Yes, you've clearly missed a lot.
Sorry what has Berbatov accomplished to say he is world class?