World Cup 2018 & 2022 bids

uae said:
They are now, but they still aren't smashing teams home and away in the asian qualifiers. How well did people honestly expect them to do in 2002 though? Nobody expected them to get out of the group stages. Ditto for South Africa this summer.
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Hmm... Japan were actually the first team to qualify for WC2010 except S Africa, think they did it with 2 rounds to spare.
 
Rood said:
Bahrain is actually a good example of what Qatar can do in a short space of time. In fact Bahrain is even smaller than Qatar and they were in the play offs with New Zeland for a WC place.

On a side note Saudi Arabia would not make any sense - that really is the place where you cant touch alcohol and all women are covered in public - they give the rest of the region a bad rep.
Qatar is light years ahead of that and I think a big event like this will encourage it towards further liberalisation for the good of the entire region.

I do actually think the best idea would have been a joint Gulf bid. UAE, Bahrain, Qatar & Oman - all have their own stadia already and the travelling distance would still be less than most of the single country bids. That really would have been something to encourage the growth of the game in the whole region.
All 4 could enter normal WC qualifying plus there would an extra place available to one of them via a playoff among the 4 hosts.
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Agree. Still, Qatar alone, a country who has the resources to host a WC on its own, will benefit the region in a positive way
 
spinoza said:
Got to get better then.

Vietnam will eventually overtake one of those 3 I think. They'll be very good in about 20 years.
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What, I think this is a joke :lol::lol:
 
Cal? said:
One result changes everything? I can't be bothered to list more of Qatar's recent results, but feel free to take a look.
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In the last year they've beaten Paraguay 3-0 and lost 2-3 to Croatia. They aren't a great team, but they aren't as bad as you're making them out to be.
 
Rood said:
Bahrain is actually a good example of what Qatar can do in a short space of time. In fact Bahrain is even smaller than Qatar and they were in the play offs with New Zeland for a WC place.

On a side note Saudi Arabia would not make any sense - that really is the place where you cant touch alcohol and all women are covered in public - they give the rest of the region a bad rep.
Qatar is light years ahead of that and I think a big event like this will encourage it towards further liberalisation for the good of the entire region.

I do actually think the best idea would have been a joint Gulf bid. UAE, Bahrain, Qatar & Oman - all have their own stadia already and the travelling distance would still be less than most of the single country bids. That really would have been something to encourage the growth of the game in the whole region.
All 4 could enter normal WC qualifying plus there would an extra place available to one of them via a playoff among the 4 hosts.
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Your idea is actually quite decent, but it still doesn't solve the biggest problem.

The condition is just not suitable for football. There is a reason why Winter Olympics aren't held in the middle of a desert, the WC shouldn't either.
 
Red Dreams said:
If UEFA and CONMEBOL withdrew from FIFA, FIFA are fecked....heck even if UEFA withdrew FIFA are done.

Personally I hope it does happen some day....just to see Blatter licking the boots on all fours.
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It may. I keep getting a really strong feeling that FIFA have gone too far today. Almost like this is the beginning of the end for them.
 
uae said:
In the last year they've beaten Paraguay 3-0 and lost 2-3 to Croatia. They aren't a great team, but they aren't as bad as you're making them out to be.
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They also lost 4-1 to mighty Slovenia, 2-1 to Macedonia :lol: , 2-0 to Belgium...
 
uae said:
What was the weather like in 86 in Mexico?
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Are you seriously comparing the varied temperatures of a large nation like Mexico to that of a tiny sand parking lot in the Persian Gulf?

uae said:
Fact is there are homophobes all over the world, and i'd be surprised if they actually practice stoning in Qatar.
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Actually, you have to be more worried about the government, which hands down sentences of lashings to homosexuals and expulsion of foreign homosexuals.

Qatar

* Statute: Article 201 of the 1971 Penal Code
* Penalty: 5 years
* Restrictions:

Statute

Article 201 of the 1971 Penal Code punishes sodomy between consenting adults (irrespective of sex) with up to five years imprisonment. (Schmitt and Sofer – "Sexuality and Eroticism among Males in Moslem Societies")

The Pink Book states that Sharia law is applied.

"In May an American citizen was sentenced to receive 90 lashes during a 6-month prison term for homosexual activity. However, the individual and his family rejected a pre-trial offer of expulsion without prison or lashes in the hope of being able to return ..." (USIS - Qatar Human Rights Practices, 1995)

In October 1997, some 36 gay Filipinos were reported deported (RW/2904)

In December 1997 the Manila daily, "Today" carried the following report (summarised): The Philippine Embassy in Qatar has reported to the Philippine government that the Qatari police are rounding up gay foreign workers and deporting them based solely on their sexual orientation. Although the number is unknown, it is increasing because of the Qatari government's firm resolve to rid their country of gay foreigners. It is feared that the crackdown might create a "domino effect" in neighbouring Arab countries, with Saudi Arabia in particular reported to be considering a similar policy. Male homosexual activity is punished with between five to ten years in prison. There were reports of suspected homosexuals being subjected to rectal examinations by the police to determine if they had engaged in anal sex.
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Red Dreams said:
If UEFA and CONMEBOL withdrew from FIFA, FIFA are fecked....heck even if UEFA withdrew FIFA are done.

Personally I hope it does happen some day....just to see Blatter licking the boots on all fours.
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I hope England & Spain will lead the rebellion after this farcical day.
 
Red Defence said:
It may. I keep getting a really strong feeling that FIFA have gone too far today. Almost like this is the beginning of the end for them.
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Blatter wouldn't care, I think he probably has enough oil from Russia & Qatar to allow his great-grandson to retire.
 
Cal? said:
They also lost 4-1 to mighty Slovenia, 2-1 to Macedonia :lol: , 2-0 to Belgium...
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The same Slovenia that the mighty England edged past 1-0 in the World Cup. With the home support backing them, they'll do alright at the World Cup i reckon.
 
Actually I just heard the announcement again on the news, Blatter said "The 222 World Cup host goes to Qatar." :lol:
 
Just been watching Sky Sports News and the bloke on there was talking about Brazil 2014 and how that there is a feeling ,he did not say where this came from , that they would not be ready to hold the WC.
The venues are far apart and Brazil still has to build airports and such like to take the fans and the teams
This guy said FIFA might use England or USA has emergency hosts.
 
AlwaysRedwood said:
I can. Which of the 57 pages of this thread do you want me to read? Feel free to waste your time looking for it instead me. Or you could just write it down in two seconds, as someone who is not an asshole would do.
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It has been written on pretty much every one of the last 20 pages at some point, I will make it clear.
PARTS OF THE STADIUMS ARE GOING TO OTHER COUNTRIES THAT ARE WITHOUT
 
I think a successful England would have given football its "soul" back. The world cup needed the history and emotion attached to an English bid. Im gutted and Im a scotsman living in New Zealand. Cant believe I would ever have supported England but this sucks big time. I feel sorry for all those involved in the bid. try again for 2026, the World Cup desperately needs an England world cup.
 
uae said:
The same Slovenia that the mighty England edged past 1-0 in the World Cup. With the home support backing them, they'll do alright at the World Cup i reckon.
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Comparing a 1-0 victory to a 4-1 defeat makes a lot of sense.
 
AlwaysRedwood said:
Are you seriously comparing the varied temperatures of a large nation like Mexico to that of a tiny sand parking lot in the Persian Gulf?



Actually, you have to be more worried about the government, which hands down sentences of lashings to homosexuals and expulsion of foreign homosexuals.
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I dunno, i've always had the impression Mexico was shit hot in the summer.

You've given me deportations from 1997, as i said i'd be surprised if things like that were still happening. Public displays of affection between homosexuals wouldn't be tolerated i imagine, but it still seems a bit strange that people are getting all pissed off that Qatar have got the World Cup because it's hot and homosexuality isn't readily accepted.
 
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Red Defence said:
Has he got children or grand-children? Didn't think he had.
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MATCH Hospitality, a company partly owned by a Swiss-based marketing company, Infront Sports & Media. The president and CEO of said marketing company is one Phillipe Blatter, son of Sepp.

No idea about grandson...

Btw, MATCH Hospitality won a very lucrative ticketing contract for the 2010 WC.
 
Cal? said:
Comparing a 1-0 victory to a 4-1 defeat makes a lot of sense.
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You're missing the point. Yes they haven't qualified for the World Cup, but if you look at their qualifiers or friendlies they haven't been embarrassed in any of their games either, so why do you expect them to be on home soil at a World Cup?
 
KingMinger22 said:
ABSOLUTE feckING JOCK.

RUSSIA-

Cold, massive, major rascism problems, feck all footballing history.


What a shit place to host it!
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:wenger:

Pretty much in every WC or Euro, 1 european title, couple of finals, Great teams like Dynamo...yes, feck all footballing history. Amazing the stupidity around here.
 
uae said:
I dunno, i've always had the impression Mexico was shit hot in the summer.

You've given me deportations from 1997, as i said i'd be surprised if things like that were still happening. Public displays of affection between homosexuals wouldn't be tolerated i imagine, but it still seems a bit strange that people are getting all pissed off that Qatar have got the World Cup because it's hot and homosexuality isn't readily accepted.
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people are pissed off because a 'nothing' football country managed to get the most important Football tournament by bribing a totally corrupt organization.
 
Red Defence said:
It's ok that you don't agree. It's not ok that because you don't agree you have to behave like this. Cut it out.

Only time will tell anyway so sit back and wait a while.
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Okay let me put it this way.

Why do you think that giving the world cup to Russia (a developed football nation, home of many of the most heartwarming football stories too) and Qatar (a nation that won between many nations that weren't ready to host, and in this case were by all accounts the most likely to get them all sorted in time) being given the hosting rights over the world cup?
 
sammsky1 said:
Nah mate, its you who is missing the point .... its not about who is the 'best equipped right now', its about who will be the best equipped at the time of the tournament, in Qatar's case, in 10 years time.

Some of Qatar's proposed technology and science is amazing!!! And the legacy that hosts like Russia and Qatar will provide the game of football is far far superior than anything England could give the game.

England has been an amazing contributor to the world of football from its creation all the way through to the development of the Premier League. But I think the contribution it came make to growing the game has maxed out. Russia and Qatar will provide far more new fans to the game than England can over the next 10 years.
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I'm not sure i agree re the legacy thing, i get what you're saying but i dunno, i don't think it's that simple.

I don't necessarily think you can attain a so called legacy for each country that hosts it. South africa was an exception due to the continental effect as was japan/south korea. I'm not sure either russia or qatar will provide that to the same extent.

As i've said before, if FIFA want to give it to new hosts then dont allow previous ones to bid. Whoever has the best technical bid, for me, should win out of those whose bids are being considered. Otherwise what's the point? My opinion is FIFA creates this charade to massage their own ego.

I just dont think there's any other major sporting competition that ranks the bidding hosts in terms of competence/risk in holding the tournament and thrn give it to the worst rated. I understand spreading footballs message is hugely important but say on the 2018 world cup i believe most nations/supporters would get more out of an experience in england than in russia as we have far better footballing infrastructure. Compare englands 'kick racism out' campaign to the current probs in russia etc.

I understand why the spreading of the game can be seen as a good thing but i believe it's slightly idealistic and born out of FIFA's arrogance rather than the benefit of players and supporters etc.
 
uae said:
I dunno, i've always had the impression Mexico was shit hot in the summer.

You've given me deportations from 1997, as i said i'd be surprised if things like that were still happening. Public displays of affection between homosexuals wouldn't be tolerated i imagine, but it still seems a bit strange that people are getting all pissed off that Qatar have got the World Cup because it's hot and homosexuality isn't readily accepted.
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MSN Weather - Yearly, Monthly Temperature and Precipitation Averages and Records for Mexico City, MEX.

Mexico City certainly isn't that hot. Average low 13C and average high 23C according to MSN.
 
Out of interest, is there a reason behind England not bidding for 2022? Presumably an association cannot bid for two consecutive World Cups?
 
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