Breaking News: Another attack on tahrir by thugs. Was expected, but some got shotguns now !!
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Live ammo. 1 protester died at least !!
From new attacks?
Army needs to get off their arses and actually protect people. Not attacking peaceful protesters is a good thing, failing to protect them from armed who-knows-whats is awful. Whether that's realistic I have no idea.
Al Jazeera reporting several dead now, tanks advancing, didnt catch on who
Absolute heartbreak listening to this women Salma almost screaming on AJ with gunshots in the background
Is the army just watching as the hired thugs shoot people?
Yea pretty much. Was a tank involved, turning against the pro Mubaraks, they didnt report more on it then that
The tank was apparently laying down a smoke screen for the pro mubaraks to escape
MSNBC is covering a group of anti-Murbarak protesters on the overpass that ripped a driver of a pickup truck and beat him (probably to death) ... I am speculating, but the overpass is where vehicles had been resupplying the pro-Mubarak group with molitoff cocktails.
4:50 am Cairo time there is a first sign of tear-gas being spread throughout the square, according to the MSNBC reporters on the scene.
4:50 am Cairo time there is a first sign of tear-gas being spread throughout the square, according to the MSNBC reporters on the scene.
Reporting something the same on AJ about the driver, checking his bags etc, beat him up and chased him off
Forget aljazeera. They are currently banned in Egypt and rely on phone calls from eye witnesses whom I can tell you are overreacting. So far, one dead and 3 injured and thugs pushed back. My source are people at tahrir now from their tweets
A report earlier from CNN claimed the pro-Murbarak groups had been paid the equivalent of $4 and given a supply of viagra and directed to go into the crowds and rape the anti-Mubarak women.
Shocking, but the CNN reporter claims this is a common practice amongst certain dictatorships, in the way they handle situations such as this.
Now, MSNBC is saying some pro-Mubarak members have been paid the equivalent of $8 to carry signs.
ATM ... the gun fire is drowning out the MSNBC reporter.
Sustained gun fire, but the reporters are not seeing people drop... the shooters could be shooting into the air.
Shocking, but the CNN reporter claims this is a common practice amongst certain dictatorships, in the way they handle situations such as this.
Now, MSNBC is saying some pro-Mubarak members have been paid the equivalent of $8 to carry signs.
ATM ... the gun fire is drowning out the MSNBC reporter.
Sustained gun fire, but the reporters are not seeing people drop... the shooters could be shooting into the air.
All I've got is AJ, CNN and tweets.
Probably a second fatality now
They are shooting from the bridge overlooking the square
We've got no one now but God. Everyone and everything is hopeless and helpless
They are shooting from the bridge overlooking the square
We've got no one now but God. Everyone and everything is hopeless and helpless
Can't Obama just shoot him?? The guy's an embarrassment to humanity. What else do the international community need to witness? Do you want to move only when thousands are massacred ??!!
"I can't believe the bravery and determnation of revolutionaries. I abandoned post thinking this was impossible to win #Jan25"
"It required rushing en mass under barrage of fire from above and in face of live ammo #Jan25"
"The sad truth is no politician in this country is worthy of the support of these heros. #Jan25"
From an Egyptian twitterer currently in Tahrir
"It required rushing en mass under barrage of fire from above and in face of live ammo #Jan25"
"The sad truth is no politician in this country is worthy of the support of these heros. #Jan25"
From an Egyptian twitterer currently in Tahrir
After this night something concrete hasto happen regards support for your cause. This is insanity..
Relaying your post to the White House web site.
Done
If you come across communications people in the anti-Mubarak crowd... send me more messages and I will be more than happy to post it on the White House forum.
Relaying your post to the White House web site.
Done
If you come across communications people in the anti-Mubarak crowd... send me more messages and I will be more than happy to post it on the White House forum.
"#Jan25 #Egypt #Tahrir Hey Free World! My friends are being killed, live on TV. I hope it is entertaining enough, better than movies. SHAME!"
" the lie of that brotherhood behind #tahrir events. Christians protecting muslims praying Yfrog Photo : yfrog.com/h02gvclj - Shared by NevineZaki "
" "Citizens" turned into "protesters", turned into "revolutionaries", turned into "freedom fighters". How many are now "martyrs"?. #jan25 "
" 2 of my friends confirm another one is shot through the head, dead. My friend called me crying #Jan25 this is awful, something has 2 b done "
What a shameless joke this asshole is. Shooting your own people with live ammo just to hang on to power for only 9 months? And people are supposed to believe he sincerely means to stand aside in the next presidential elections? yeah right!
Obama can benefit a lot if he does something about it that remains in Egyptians' memories
If Mubarak left tomorrow, what would happen? Who would take power? The military until there could be an election would make sense, but there's the chance that the military leaders would like being in control. With Egypt and Tunisia, there's no one who stands out to step in and run an effective government.
Dont think there are any stand out candidates atm, but they wont show up with Mubarak still in power, I'm pretty sure of that
I think the President will start to escalate its response and up the ante for Mubarak. Part of the concern with Mubarak stepping down immediately is who will step in after him. It's one thing the US didn't look into much when it deposed Saddam, which created major issues. Perhaps the US will try to pressure the military to have Mubarak step down or taken down(though not killed) since most of their equipment is American.
As with Iran, the coverage is obviously focused on major cities. Within Egypt, what is the level of dissent outside of Cairo and Alexandria in smaller cities and rural areas?
As with Iran, the coverage is obviously focused on major cities. Within Egypt, what is the level of dissent outside of Cairo and Alexandria in smaller cities and rural areas?
mido would take power. he works for very cheap.
The UN, in conjunction with the military.
That seems to be a fair enough answer.
Considering Mubarak's been allowed to stay in power for so long, the most important issue for US, not to say the west, is the regime taking over is pro American/west. But then if they dont do something soon, they could end up with a rather anti American Egypt. The US got a lot invested in this. The people tend to be very far down the list of priorities in these kind of situations, even tho the opposite is usually promoted. Obviously just my opinion this..
Next 48 hours crucial.
-Will the crowds come out again today after the events of yesterday? If they do...will they have to face the same tactics from the Mubarak thugs?
-Will the Army continue to say it is neutral, yet let Mubarak thugs use tanks as shields?
-What will the US be saying today?
-What will happen after Friday Jummah players?
-Will the crowds come out again today after the events of yesterday? If they do...will they have to face the same tactics from the Mubarak thugs?
-Will the Army continue to say it is neutral, yet let Mubarak thugs use tanks as shields?
-What will the US be saying today?
-What will happen after Friday Jummah players?
I'm not sure Yank president are gonig to overthrow Arab dictators anytime soon. I recall Obama also saying in his Cairo speech that the US will not force regime changes on Arab states.
I hope the regime change in Egypt will not negatively affect its relationship with Israel.
Yup, that's the most important thing.
Egyptians need to have some perspective here, freedom, rights, self determination are all fine and dandy, but the crux of the issue is, will this change the game as far as Israel is concerned?
SSSSSShhhhhhh. Th is kind of talk is not allowed here.
I guess we will not know until the next general election. Interviewing people on the streets isn't going to give one a true representation of the general public opinion. So far we've heard various opinions from people interviewed by Israeli reporters in Cairo, but the thing is that even the thousands that take the streets do not fully represent the public opinion of the largest Arab country. Who could tell what's the take of millions in rural Egypt on the bilateral issues?
No wonder people here are nervous, even though relations with Egypt have been anything but warm since the peace deal was struck in the 70's.
I'm not Egyptian, no obviously I can't pretend to know what they think...but If I were to take a guess, I'd say they could care less.
As you said, peace was made in the late 70s, it's been 30+ years, while the nations aren't bosom buddies, they aren't enemies either. Egypt is pretty secure with it's border, as is Israel as far as Egypt is concerned. The two don't really have any explosive issues to fight over, or any reasons to get away from the status quo.
I'd like to know why Israelis are nervous, as you've stated, and countless others, no arab nation can defeat Israel, not even a combined army. If such a scenario were to come to fruition, the western world would come down with an almighty beat down on the Arabs. So again not likely to happen....
Next we have the scenario that Arabs/Muslims love death more than life, so of course they could decide...the hell with winning, let's wipe Israel off the map, and get our 70 sexy virgins ASAP...well it's that's the situation, there's no defence for that, it would be mutual destruction. Again, almost no chance of happening....
So without being flippant about it(you live there, I don't) what are Israelis afraid of?
There is no doubt that a full-scale war is not on the cards, but despite the ongoing demonization of Israel and Jews in official media outlets (among others) Israel and Egypt have collaborated on security issues and these ties are important to Israel.
Obviously Israel and Egypt have common interests as far the Gaza Strip and Hamas are concerned, and there is also the issue of the Sinai peninsula as a possible base for launching attacks on Israel, be it by Hamas or AQ terrorists. Sinai is a huge chunk of territory with little control as things are, so decreased motivation on part of the Egyptians could see an escalation there.
Having said that, I think the important thing here is that a succession of daft Yank presidents see the Arab world turn its back on the West. A change in Egypt would be much more significant than Tunisia becaseu of Egypt leading role in the Arab world.
Obviously Israel and Egypt have common interests as far the Gaza Strip and Hamas are concerned, and there is also the issue of the Sinai peninsula as a possible base for launching attacks on Israel, be it by Hamas or AQ terrorists. Sinai is a huge chunk of territory with little control as things are, so decreased motivation on part of the Egyptians could see an escalation there.
Having said that, I think the important thing here is that a succession of daft Yank presidents see the Arab world turn its back on the West. A change in Egypt would be much more significant than Tunisia becaseu of Egypt leading role in the Arab world.
The server to Al Jezeera is down...
Hoping Mubarak is making his way to the airport...
Hoping Mubarak is making his way to the airport...
From what I've heard on the BBC world service. Many of the Egyptian protesters interviewed said they don't see Israel as an enemy and it shouldn't fear their fight for democracy. IMO if they don't allow their government to be over Islamised and get a leadership style similar to what Turkey has been trying to implement for ages, they will probably prove an even more beneficial ally to Israel than under Mubarak's leadership.
Christian Egyptians protecting their Muslim brothers while they pray.
So obvious last nights events was Mubaraks doing. Cant see the western world having much choice but to take a clearer stance on this now