Many of arrested thugs were mercenaries who were paid 500 LE ( around 90$). Many others were police in civilian clothes or whatever you call them
A people's Revolution
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Crime is increasing
Trigger happy policing
Panic is spreading
God know where we're heading
Oh, make me wanna holler
They don't understand
Dah, dah, dah
Dah, dah, dah
Dah, dah, dah
Trigger happy policing
Panic is spreading
God know where we're heading
Oh, make me wanna holler
They don't understand
Dah, dah, dah
Dah, dah, dah
Dah, dah, dah
Witnesses tell BBC Arabic that the camels and horses that charged anti-government demonstrators in Tahrir Square earlier belonged to people who work at the Pyramids in Giza. They were apparently angry that the unrest was driving away tourists from Cairo and hurting their businesses.
Obama has a real chance to be seen as a hero here, he needs to get off the fence, and tell Murabak to go, but PUBLICLY.
I know he's trying through the back channels...but there are innocent people dying.
I know he's trying through the back channels...but there are innocent people dying.
I thought the army said they wouldn't raise arms against the people, who is doing the killing?
It's not the army, it's paramilitary forces(armed police, thugs, security forces).
Army at this stage is still protecting vital installations.
Army at this stage is still protecting vital installations.
Obama won't say or do anything.
This is a man who praised Mubarak as a 'good man who's done good things and maintained stability, we will continue to support him - he's a friend'.
To be fair, all the news agencies are reporting that the US has privately given Mubarak the shove, which is why he declared "I won't stand again", but he needs to be told to go NOW.
Exactly, behind the scenes they've told him time's up. RK, no President or PM is going to come out and publicly humiliate him, because if it all goes wrong and he's still in power in a year's time they have to work with him.
You're right that they ought to, but the world doesn't work like that. Why are interest-serving, hypocrisy and realpolitik from national leaders constantly surprising to you?
Also, why do you want the arrogant West to butt out of the Arab world, but also to dare to dictate to them what to do with their political systems?
You're right that they ought to, but the world doesn't work like that. Why are interest-serving, hypocrisy and realpolitik from national leaders constantly surprising to you?
Also, why do you want the arrogant West to butt out of the Arab world, but also to dare to dictate to them what to do with their political systems?
They aren't at all surprising, but I'd blindly hoped that for once they'd put their beliefs in democracy and human rights above strategic interests, sadly and unsurprisingly I was being too optimistic.
It's not the army, they are doing nothing, but the majority of reports say they understand the protesters and recognize their right to protest.
It's the pro's who are causing violence, security forces, plain clothed police and paid thugs.
Mubarak listens to no one but himself.. he proudly said before that he has a phd in stubbornness
A Massacre expected soon in Tahrir. Thugs surrounding it. Army closed all entrances.. orders seem to be that they should clear the square today
Just heard the same thing, a very frank conversation between Obama and Mubarak, with Obama saying times up. Apparently this has been ignored anyway with Mubarak now not taking calls from anyone.
I very much doubt that, where'd you heard that?
From al, phone call took place earlier today.....
Mubarak received his call, they talked for half an hour, reports are Obama was frank and told Mubarak that he must step down for the security of the country and it's people. Evidently this hasn't happened, al reported that he is now not taking international calls.
Which part do you doubt, the conversation, what was said or Mubarak's reaction?
Mubarak received his call, they talked for half an hour, reports are Obama was frank and told Mubarak that he must step down for the security of the country and it's people. Evidently this hasn't happened, al reported that he is now not taking international calls.
Which part do you doubt, the conversation, what was said or Mubarak's reaction?
I'm doubting that Obama has asked him to step down, it would be a disastrous change of events for them. That is unless they have a replacement lined up.
I believe it was to step down or to make away either today or as soon as possible. I can't remember.
Either way, it was ignored apparently.
Either way, it was ignored apparently.
You're absolutely, 100% completely wrong.
Even if you had a Pan-Arabic league try to take on Israel, in their current state they would lose, and they would lose badly. There are too many, very real problems with current Arabic culture when it comes to waging modern, mobile warfare.
Israel has only gotten stronger in the past decades while the nearby Arab states have remained static.
If we want to jump into the future with Israel surrounded by a ring of democratic Arab states capable of taking on Israel, you are looking at a total culture shift. Higher education in the populace at large is the biggest requisite for this. Prejudice and hatred are inversely proportionate to education (usually). Higher learning an enlightenment will temper anger at Israel. The most likely scenario is a live and let live policy.
IF for some reason this is not the case, no western power would EVER allow a second Jewish holocaust. If an invasion of Israel was succeeding, you would have NATO countries so far up the Arab worlds ass, one could scarcely imagine the devastation. It simply would not be allowed to happen. It couldn't happen. It never will happen so long as Western states remain strong, and Muslim states remain weaker.
Look can we keep the thread on Egypt please... we do these other threads twice a week
This isn't about Israel, there are people dying in the streets of Cairo
This isn't about Israel, there are people dying in the streets of Cairo
Agreed, this is as current an event as you can get, with everything happening right now, you can speculate on everything else elsewhere.
That's all wonderful but keep to the events of Egypt.
My bad, I was just reading through the entire thread and replied to that one bit!
I can't see Obama telling Mubarak to step down. It would be a catastrophic mistake. The US should be sitting and waiting to move in with humanitarian aid regardless of the side that prevails once things cool down.
I can't see Obama telling Mubarak to step down. It would be a catastrophic mistake. The US should be sitting and waiting to move in with humanitarian aid regardless of the side that prevails once things cool down.
Is there any other sources confirming the phone call? I only heard it from the AlJa stream between the reporter and some Washington officials.
Settle down. Two people have already addressed this, including a mod. You didn't need to quote the post, it just fills the page up with additional clutter.
Obama presses Mubarak to quit - CharlotteObserver.com
Although that quotes 'telling him that an orderly transition to a new regime "must begin now.'
Although that quotes 'telling him that an orderly transition to a new regime "must begin now.'
I think the implications for Israel are entirely relevant to the thread.
It has implications for the whole ME, but this thread is about a revolution happening right now, involving some posters who are actually there and have friends and relatives under attack.
If you want to argue the toss about the Israelis you can reply to my response to your post in the latest I-P thread.
If you want to argue the toss about the Israelis you can reply to my response to your post in the latest I-P thread.
It is, but the problem is that the thread just reduces itself to nationalist hysteria from certain posters.
I do however think a deep discussion on the implications this has on Israel after and if Mubarak is overthrown, should certainly be on the cards.
This thread isn't about to take a step back towards speculation as to the implications for Israel. Not when what is going on over there is actually happening right now, that's more important, as Plech said, people are dying on the streets out there.
Feel free to make a new thread that can later be merged, or not. No more on this.
Feel free to make a new thread that can later be merged, or not. No more on this.
I don't want to argue the toss about anything. I was pointing out that it would be absurd to expect Israel not to get a mention in a thread about an event that is of massive concern to Israelis. I think I said in a CE thread a few weeks ago, in response to complaints about 'thread derailment', that if posters wanted read a play by play of an event, they would log on to a news feed. I'm sure we can handle the thread branching off into a number of relevant discussions.
Fair enough. I just think there's something unsavoury about getting into ideological slanging-matches - which is what would happen immediately - when stuff like this is happening. On a personal level I don't want to be one of those people who views everything in the world through the lens of the fecking Arab-Israeli conflict - I'll leave that to my mother. But once RedKaos and Bob and yourself get going I'm not going to be able to resist countering claims I disagree with. I'll then spend the whole thread banging on about Jews when actually it's about Egyptians, and will end up wanting to bite off what little of my cock they left behind when I was a baby.
See, it's happening already.
See, it's happening already.
The Egyptian heroes have so far defended Tahrir square and thugs have been pushed back. Some are reorganizing still. Pray for the protesters please, pray
If Mubarak and his cronies succeed in putting this down, what happens in terms of retributions?
I ask because people have been so brave, and so public with their demands and protests. No attempts at trying to hide their identities...just fear what the secret police and goon squads might do as acts of revenge.
I pray that it is not a scenario they have to face.
I understand what you're saying. I don't want to get into a discussion about Israel in this thread either...but that's mainly because I'm supposed to doing something else and the events in Egypt are distracting me enough already..
If Mubarak and his cronies succeed in putting this down, what happens in terms of retributions?
I ask because people have been so brave, and so public with their demands and protests. No attempts at trying to hide their identities...just fear what the secret police and goon squads might do as acts of revenge.
I pray that it is not a scenario they have to face.
We know that. That's why we're not going back. we have crossed the point of no return. Also we are the nation , he can't crack down on the whole nation
That's what I was hoping to hear.
Amen.
So long as they keep going there's no way this crook can sustain his throne. I just hope there's not too much violence (but I find it hard to sympathise if anything unfortunate were to happen to the police or Mubarak himself
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