Hmm I'm not a fan of Elbaradei but that's not for me to decide anyway.
If he does inherit the presidency, I do hope he calls elections ASAP.
If he does inherit the presidency, I do hope he calls elections ASAP.
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OK I am posting this has somebody that knows nothing about the Government of Egypt but rough idea why this is happening.
Why are armed gangs going to the jails and releasing the prisoner's ?
Why is the Brotherhood a banned group ?
Why are Sky making such a big fuss about 2 fighter's flying low over the City Centre , its not likely they will do anything but possible take pictures.
Sorry if this sounds like a muppet , but I wanted to know more about what is going on
Why are armed gangs going to the jails and releasing the prisoner's ?
Why is the Brotherhood a banned group ?
Why are Sky making such a big fuss about 2 fighter's flying low over the City Centre , its not likely they will do anything but possible take pictures.
Sorry if this sounds like a muppet , but I wanted to know more about what is going on
The bulk of the prisoners being released are political ones, imprisoned by Mubarak's regime for dissent.
Because they are the most organised genuine opposition group to Mubarak's dictatorial NDP party.
Because its Sky news.
Cheers , helps me understand a bit more now , I asked about the prisoners just because Sky (ok i know) reported 60+ rapes during the trouble , where they got the numbers from god knows
60 rapes 
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Depend what they classify as rape, as far as I'm concerned Mubarak has been raping millions for decades.
?Depend what they classify as rape, as far as I'm concerned Mubarak has been raping millions for decades.
Al Baredei has to stop using the protests to score political points. This revolution has nothing to do with him.
what do you expect? He's a politician....
He wouldn't last very long if he failed to initiate elections if he were to be acting president.
He's like a nicer version of Chalabi - as in someone who speaks English, the west knows, and now thinks he is relevant.
Not nearly as nefarious either.
Good callA candle-light dinner with Paul Wolfowitz and he's set.
Was this you Raoul?
I think Mubarak is about the turn the screw on the protesters...
Police to be back on the streets in the morning.
Police to be back on the streets in the morning.
My brother's in Egypt 
My brother's in Egypt
Living or visiting? If he's a citizen of another country he should hopefully be at the embassy...
Will this spread to the Gulf?
not a chance, living conditions in the gulf is satisfactory in terms of food, accomodation and employment which is not the case in Egypt/Tunisia/Sudan
Life is satisfactory there for those who can afford it or have inherited it. If you've seen it, eastern Saudi Arabia looks like Chernobyl - the schools, hospitals and basic infrastructure makes Darfur look like a holiday resort.
I wouldn't exactly say that the people of Iraq and Yemen are particularly satisfied with their living standards either, nevermind their government.
FAO HolylandRed:
Last chance offer ... we will give your people San Diego. Conditions that you share the space with the US Navy and you have to keep all the meth-heads.
With Tunisia, Egypt, Yemen, Lebanon, and now Jordan in political upheaval... at which point do these angry 'reformers' turn to their favorite past-time of hating the Jews?
How is Israel reacting to the rising storm of political unrest that is surrounding their oasis in the middle-east? Will they nuke someone if they are overrun?
*Al Jazeere is looking to Syria as a possible next country to fall into political unrest.
Last chance offer ... we will give your people San Diego. Conditions that you share the space with the US Navy and you have to keep all the meth-heads.
With Tunisia, Egypt, Yemen, Lebanon, and now Jordan in political upheaval... at which point do these angry 'reformers' turn to their favorite past-time of hating the Jews?
How is Israel reacting to the rising storm of political unrest that is surrounding their oasis in the middle-east? Will they nuke someone if they are overrun?
*Al Jazeere is looking to Syria as a possible next country to fall into political unrest.
Be careful what you wish for. Secular states like Egypt, Syria etc falls, then what next?
Ironic, isn't it?
Proponents of Israel have always stressed that it is the US' responsibility to help the only viable democratic state in the middle east.
Now that there are signs of discontent towards autocratic rule and a willingness from people in neighboring Arab states to implement democratic reform, the fear is that it might quite happen and when it does, the sole justification for aiding Israel, in what is quite obviously a regional conflict, will no longer exist.
I don't wish the Israeli people harm in any way... they do enough to bring it upon themselves. But... I've been saying this for years, the state of Israel has seen it's days numbered. Once the middle eastern countries pull themselves together, they're going to turn and look at Israel and deal with them. I don't know how... I shutter to think of how they will exact their revenge on how they've treated their Palestinian brothers and sisters. I do know this ... it aint gunna be pretty.
To be completely honest, I would think the USA will need to watch our collective asses because of the billions of dollars spent each year to suppress their people is not something they've taken too kindly to...
I think you're over-reaching here. Egypt is a nation in tatters and its people hold the economy and basic living conditions with more importance than a decades-old conflict with Israel. Most Egyptians really couldn't care less about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, aside from those who regularly attend prayers at their local Mosque. I think we'll see an Egypt with a relation with a relation with Israel not much unlike Turkey. They will recognize it but make periodical denunciations of its policy towards Palestinians at the UN.
I hope you are right... it would be nice to see a middle-east that finds a way in which peace is the primary goal.
The "brothers and sisters" that they collectively ignore and shun? They don't really care about Palestinians, unless it means taking them in and bearing that burden. None of the other countries want to help deal with the Palestinian refugees. It's just something they can be angry at Israel for. The people might care, to some extent, but the governments don't.
Also, Israel's military would whip pretty much any group of Middle Eastern militaries. They have technological superiority by some distance, Mossad who could do quite a job taking out enemy leaders, and some..."other" deterrents, if you know what I mean.
we're egyptian, we do what we want.
they are worthy to sing such a song.
they are worthy to sing such a song.
there is only one part of Saudi Arabia that is under-developed (Gateef القطيف) which is the only town with a Shiate majority; other than that the living standards are excellent and note I am speaking with reference to regional standards.
Typical Yank- you wouldn't know where to place those countries on a map, would you? Unrest in Tunisia and Yemen really shifts the balance of power in the ME, doesn't it? The Sanaa stealth carpet squadron will take the Dimona nuclear reactor in no time.
As for the rest, the last time Egypt and Jordan joined ranks to attack Israel we liberated Jerusalem and the previous time they created the Palestinian issue. Both events were carried out without the involvement of US aid. You don't wish any harm on the Israeli people but you storm in with a countdown of Israel's days in a thread about events in Egypt. Israel will spend a lot of money and human lives taking back Sinai if the peace agrteement with Egypt isn't fullfilled. I'm sure that as a true proponent of world peace you wouldn't want that to happen. Nor the resultant Israeli reluctance to hand territories to any Arab in return to peace deals, no matter how appealing they might look or how strongly an American president claps in the background.
Jordan is interesting though. They are a couple of demonstrations away from becoming the Palestinian state that we all crave. Yanks, Israelis and their Arab brothers who care for them so much.
Indeed. if the 'Return of the Jedi' ending doesn't happen from these protests, the Islamists forthcoming reign will draw a very hazardous line in the sand.
The Palestinians could end up planning Black September again to take control of Jordan i.e 80% of Palestine - Hussein must be very nervous.
I was optimistic at first but I can see Obama is in grave danger of becoming another Carter if this thing follows the 1979 Iranian blueprint.
How so fearless?
This argument of pan Arab unity is just pure rubbish its created and fosterd by autocratic regimes to deflect attention away from their own actions and rule.
Israel shouldn't fear a democratic ME more than anyone in Europe - democracies don't go to war - thats what we have been sold.
Israel shouldn't fear a democratic ME more than anyone in Europe - democracies don't go to war - thats what we have been sold.
I'm not sure anyone fears a truly democratic ME; it's just that with that democracy might come islamic fundamentalists. The US (and Israel) would presumably prefer the devil it knows and can control, to one it doesn't know and may not be able to buy off.
I doubt the Saudis and Kuwaitis will experience any upheaval as their populations are doing ok financially so less likely to rock the boat.
I doubt the Saudis and Kuwaitis will experience any upheaval as their populations are doing ok financially so less likely to rock the boat.
Surely this is the death knell for Mubarak?
Yep, stick a fork in him and turn him over, he's done.
I think people are asking all the wrong questions. Let's put aside the Muslim Brotherhood boogey man theory and consider the aftermath of this riot. Who is capable of governance in a country where authority stemmed from an authoritarian source? What could the post-Mubarak gov't possibly do to curb the rising unemployment and heal the battered economy?
I feel expectations will be unrealistically high for any incoming administration and may create further resentment rather than void it.
I feel expectations will be unrealistically high for any incoming administration and may create further resentment rather than void it.
Hopefully this creates a domino effect in the region and across the continent.
Sarah Palin: First the trapped miners in Chile and now the riots in Egypt. How much more drama can the Middle East take?
is that for real? That surely can't be real? that's brilliant.