Is it normal for a headline to read "Black man's murder"? Why not just "officer charged with murder" without reference to the victim's skin colour?
It's scary how casual the officer acts throughout the whole situation. It looks like he's done it all before.
There's no "Oh shit what have I done, what can I do?" before he picks up the taser and puts it next to the body... he just picks it up casually, drops it by the body without barely a thought. Even Mackey from the Shield isn't that calm.
The cop moved his taser closer to the body. What a fcuking piece of shit. I hope he rots for many years in jail. He'll most likely get a paid suspension, I mean, it's only a black person.
I was listening to a podcast recently and they implied that alot of studies find Black cops also discriminate against black people at a similar level to white cop - it's a complex issue.
Well, not this case. This was murder.
What disturbs me most is the mindest of this officer in that he sees the action of repeatedly shooting a man in the back as being nothing much at all. He knows that the guy is wanted on some minor violations and not a hardened criminal at all, yet has no hesitation to just shoot him down like a dog when he flees. He doesn't seem capable of seeing the victim as a fellow human being and knows that he can just make up some shit and go about his work with no repurcussions.
This country is crying out for a new way of policing. Less 'them versus us' and more community policing. Oh, and get rid of a few guns.
Can't really say much for the officer (which I'm disgusted to even really call him that) Watched the video a few times, and while it's strange how the cameraman wasn't seen...that's far from the most troubling thing about this.
The saddest part is obviously a man lost his life. The fall out from this is what makes it more dangerous for every other officer out there trying to actually do his job and help people. A local officer here was recently shot and killed when responding to do a welfare check on a reported suicidal subject. The subject opened fire with a rifle and the officer never had a chance.
Incidents like this, with senseless murders (really no other word for it) just makes people more skeptical of any law enforcement, and makes a dangerous job even more dangerous one because of people looking for retribution, or just having a general mistrust and not following commands, which will lead to more escalations.
Exactly my thoughts. Changing such a mindset takes a lot of time. And it seems unreasonable to think the change can start with the civilians. As I see it you really need a prolonged period of time where the cops are at their very best behaviour which in turn would hopefully make the civilians behave better when pulled over/whatever.That's the vicious circle which is established in America and means this sort of thing is going to continue. We've got to a situation where a lot of people in poor areas (especially black people) are genuinely scared of the police and don't trust them at all. All very well saying "none of this would happen if everyone obeyed orders" but that won't happen while people are scared for their life from the moment a cop pulls them over. Hence they won't behave rationally and the cycle continues.
This incident in North Carolina, at least from the information that is available to us now, appears heinous. I wish we could see what led up to the shooting to have a more complete picture.
Still, it's hard to imagine anything leading up to the video that would would show the shooting was justified. That ex-policeman is not fit to carry a weapon, and he did not appear to come to the man's aid after he shot him down.
I am not saying that he caused his own death, or that he deserved to die, but if he had just stayed in his car and let himself be peacefully arrested he would still be alive today.
He would also still be alive today if the cop didn't murder him by shooting him in the back
Or dont let people have firearms? - Then every police officer wont need firearms and people will get shot far less... it seems to work over hereI think that's obvious to everyone.
I still maintain that the worst choice you can possibly make is to have a physical confrontation with an armed officer of the law. When this guy decided to tussle with a cop, he opened up the possibility that his life could be ended swiftly. We would not expect that to happen, we expect the police to act within the confines of the law. Unfortunately, this ex-officer escalated the use of force out of all proportion to what was happening and killed him.
Who runs from the police? Criminals. Don't act like a criminal, because you just might give some asshole the opportunity to use his gun.
I think that's obvious to everyone.
I still maintain that the worst choice you can possibly make is to have a physical confrontation with an armed officer of the law. When this guy decided to tussle with a cop, he opened up the possibility that his life could be ended swiftly. We would not expect that to happen, we expect the police to act within the confines of the law. Unfortunately, this ex-officer escalated the use of force out of all proportion to what was happening and killed him.
Who runs from the police? Criminals. Don't act like a criminal, because you just might give some asshole the opportunity to use his gun.
That's not a particularly compelling argument. A person whether a criminal or a citizen should be able to run away from a cop without being shot - the onus is on the cop to use his judicial discretion to not murder a citizen he is tasked with protecting. Good thing the authorities saw this situation for what it was - a cold blooded murder, and make the appropriate arrest.
It's an intelligence test. But you're right, and we agree on this, that you should be able to run without fear of being shot in the back.
But let's include the events leading up to the shooting - physical confrontation/wrestling on the ground/shot with a taser. Why escalate the situation that way? There is no good reason to do so, unless you like putting your life in the hands of someone who may not respect it.
Who runs from the police? Criminals.
Indeed - based on what we have seen I'd not put much faith in what he said happened?I've not seen the video of the physical confrontation/wrestling? Did that actually happen then or was that in the officer/murderer's statement?
It's an intelligence test. But you're right, and we agree on this, that you should be able to run without fear of being shot in the back.
But let's include the events leading up to the shooting - physical confrontation/wrestling on the ground/shot with a taser. Why escalate the situation that way? There is no good reason to do so, unless you like putting your life in the hands of someone who may not respect it.
I've not seen the video of the physical confrontation/wrestling? Did that actually happen then or was that in the officer/murderer's statement?
If it did, that kind of reaction to a broken tail light/late child support payments seems overly aggressive too actually!
Indeed - based on what we have seen I'd not put much faith in what he said happened?
I believe the person who shot the video is talking with the police and one presumes that something made them start recording so they should be able to cast a bit more light on what happened to make them pick the phone up and what happened prior to getting it in focus.
It's an intelligence test. But you're right, and we agree on this, that you should be able to run without fear of being shot in the back.
But let's include the events leading up to the shooting - physical confrontation/wrestling on the ground/shot with a taser. Why escalate the situation that way? There is no good reason to do so, unless you like putting your life in the hands of someone who may not respect it.
It's an intelligence test. But you're right, and we agree on this, that you should be able to run without fear of being shot in the back.
But let's include the events leading up to the shooting - physical confrontation/wrestling on the ground/shot with a taser. Why escalate the situation that way? There is no good reason to do so, unless you like putting your life in the hands of someone who may not respect it.
Yea, let's be submissive to cops.
I don't understand why people rationalise the actions of cops who kill people purely because they weren't able to handle the situation in a non violent manner.
The overwhelming evidence will be on the video and the fact that the cop shot an unarmed citizen who was not attacking him, but running away
Americano absolutely turns my stomach. That's all I can say due to not wanting to be banned. Disgusting behavior in this thread.
ITs not an option for two reasons. One, 2nd ammendment is impossible to repeal. Two, Geographic considerations mean self protection is needed to supplement law enforcement.Or dont let people have firearms? - Then every police officer wont need firearms and people will get shot far less... it seems to work over here
I agree with you and I am not trying to rationalize the ex-officer's behavior. From what I can see, as I have said multiple times, it appears that he shot the man illegally.
Raoul, my brother, I agree with you. There is nothing that you are saying that doesn't make complete sense. My position remains, that if I had kids, I would teach them to passively and politely comply with the police: do not resist arrest, do not run, do not talk back, do not fight. That man has a gun and he may decide to use it, even unfairly. Make the smart choice and STFU and get on the ground.
The video actually shows, not very clearly, and a witness describes, a physical confrontation and wrestling match on the ground where the man was subdued. I AM NOT SAYING HE DESERVES TO DIE BECAUSE OF THIS. I am saying that it is a huge mistake to lay your hands on a cop because rightly or wrongly, he has the ability to kill you. The chances that you may get killed start going up from zero when you decide to get out of the car, resist arrest, fight with a cop, and run. So why increase the odds of a potentially lethal confrontation? You can't control the actions of the police, but you can control your own choices. So make the right ones. That's what I mean by "intelligence test".
Raoul, my brother, I agree with you. There is nothing that you are saying that doesn't make complete sense. My position remains, that if I had kids, I would teach them to passively and politely comply with the police: do not resist arrest, do not run, do not talk back, do not fight. That man has a gun and he may decide to use it, even unfairly. Make the smart choice and STFU and get on the ground.
The video actually shows, not very clearly, and a witness describes, a physical confrontation and wrestling match on the ground where the man was subdued. I AM NOT SAYING HE DESERVES TO DIE BECAUSE OF THIS. I am saying that it is a huge mistake to lay your hands on a cop because rightly or wrongly, he has the ability to kill you. The chances that you may get killed start going up from zero when you decide to get out of the car, resist arrest, fight with a cop, and run. So why increase the odds of a potentially lethal confrontation? You can't control the actions of the police, but you can control your own choices. So make the right ones. That's what I mean by "intelligence test".
What you don't understand and have never shown any indication is that 'Polite and passive cooperation with police just doesn't happen when you have a distrust on the establishment based on tangible evidence'. People throw many examples at you not because they want to point out individual mistakes in each case, but to show you the general trend.
You also have writtem, legal rights concerning your interactions with the police. You are allowed to exercise them and should expect that police know them too and will follow them. You don't have to be passive, submissive, arselicking at all.
I think everyone should follow the law. Citizens should be compliant and not resist arrest and police should be judicious in their use of force. Those who don't follow those simple ideas deserve the appropriate punishment (which doesn't always happen) and risk their life and liberty. Precious things can be taken from you unfairly and instanteously in this life. I was surprised at the lack of indictment in Eric Garner's case.
I know that. But you don't always have your lawyer with you when attract the attention of the police to advocate for your rights. I am just telling you what I would teach my kids, and the example I would set, about dealing with the police. For best results, be nice. If after seeing what could happen to you if a situation escalates, and you still want to take your chaces with a cop, go ahead and antagonize them. It's your right to be a dumbass.
That is something I drum into the heads of my younger brothers, and I intend to do that with any kids I have in the future. That being said, such rhetoric eerily mirrors suggestions that women be wary of excessive drinking, walking in dark alleys... such talk is anathema in this climate that vigorously condemns anything that sounds like "victim-blaming". I personally think there are things we all can do to mitigate risk from external sources, but at the same time, that doesn't absolve the police/rapist of responsibility for their actions reinforced with power. Not saying you're doing this, but that is how it comes off, and any hint of that is met with a tempest on the internets nowadays.
Then I feel sorry for your kids that you are teaching them to be sheep. Pathetic.
Absolutely but since not everyone does we created law enforcement and to ensure fairness we set about giving them strict guidelines of what they can and can't do.I think everyone should follow the law.
The South Carolina incident is clear as day, I'm not defending the cops nor trying to find a justification to try to justify them.
Both of them are in the wrong, obviously the biggest issue is the cop shooting a harmless running man or this would not even make the news. All I did was raising the issue of why people are running away from the cops. I should have made a separate thread as it could have been misunderstood as being inconsiderate in this thread, but who would have thought about it. There's too many people jumping on conclusions too fast without giving any benefits of doubt.
It's a fair question. I have no idea why this particular person ran away from the cops. That is a crime, with a probable punishment of a few days in jail. Fair fecks right? Instead he is killed.
Another issue with questioning why people run from the cops is that there is documented history of civilians getting killed by police while following orders. So it's kind of a catch 22. You're a minority, you're in danger, no matter what you do.
Then I feel sorry for your kids that you are teaching them to be sheep. Pathetic.
It's not pathetic. It's reality. It's a talk given to millions of kids across the country. Shut the feck up and live to fight another day, in court hopefully.
