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When Scholes is on form he's the best midfielder in our squad. The fact that all three of them have played - and played well - against City/Arsenal is as much of a factor in our renaissance as the form of Rooney and Nani.
The thing is, before the recent two games every single time we'd played with a three man midfield where all three players were deeper-lying ones (ie. everyone other than Giggs or Anderson) it has sucked badly. We've tried it numerous times, and it's resulted in some of our worst performances over the last few seasons. It's only when we've added Giggs or Anderson that things have clicked.

I'm really not sure what has changed to suddenly get two good games in a row. Is it Rooney growing into that role upfront? Is it Nani's emergence? Is it that Carrick and Fletcher have gotten used to playing a bit further forward? Or is it just luck that a few things have come together on the right day and that combination worked? I really don't know, but I'm certainly not sold on the combination yet.
 
Whatever happened to the next Ronaldinho?

Any Manchester United player is only ever a spat with Sir Alex Ferguson away from the exit door at Old Trafford - even the most influential, like Roy Keane, David Beckham or Jaap Stam. At least those three were able to leave distinct marks on the club's recent history before clearing their lockers, but you hope that the latest to find himself in danger is not done yet. Anderson Luis de Abreu Oliveira doesn't turn 22 until April, but after a recent fine for an unauthorised stint back at home in Brazil while injured, the vultures are already scripting his obituary.

Porto moved first for Anderson in 2005, seduced by the tremendous impression he made with Brazil in that year's Under-17 World Championship in Peru. He had already scored the goal that had seen Grêmio promoted back to the Brazilian top-flight after an ignominious relegation. His origins threw up unavoidable comparisons, with his most famous predecessor taking the same route through the ranks into the first-team at the club some six years earlier. That was one Ronaldinho Gaúcho, and Anderson had made it into the Grêmio first-team a full two years younger than the 2004 and 2005 FIFA World Player of the Year, who debuted in 1998 at the age of 18.

Despite the links, the comparisons were a little dubious. Anderson was always more direct than Ronaldinho. He was a man in a hurry in every sense, having little time for ball tricks. He shot past defenders in the blink of an eye, ready to unleash the next incisive pass. This correspondent saw him in the flesh for the first time in September 2006 when he was beginning his first full season in Portugal, against Estrela da Amadora in a sparsely-populated Estádio da Luz. After an uninspiring first-half, Porto swept home in the second 45, with their brilliant young playmaker pulling all the strings. Anderson crowned his display by creating the third goal, speeding from halfway and through the visiting defence before laying an open goal on a plate for his captain, Lucho González.

He made his Champions League debut three days later in a home match against CSKA Moscow. The visitors' goalkeeper led a charmed life as Anderson announced his arrival on Europe's biggest stage in emphatic style. He ripped the CSKA defence to shreds, narrowly failing to crown a series of dynamic runs with a goal and seeing one thunderous first-half shot crash back off the post.

When it seemed like his star was inexorable, injury struck. In a clash with Benfica at the Dragão that October, Anderson broke his ankle in a 50-50 challenge with the blameless Kostas Katsouranis, putting him out of action for almost six months. He returned for the run-in and pitched in with a couple of vital goals, breaking the deadlock against Nacional and then equalising against Paços Ferreira in the season's penultimate match, as Porto came out on top in a thrilling title race, a single point ahead of Sporting and two in front of Benfica.

His influence was such that it's hard to believe that he made less than 20 league starts for the Dragons. That a judge like Ferguson was so keen to tie up a deal swiftly for the youngster, even at upwards of £20 million, said everything you needed to know about Anderson's maturity as much as about his potential.

Anderson's start at Old Trafford was extraordinary. Going virtually straight into the first team, he was employed in a deep-lying role in front of the defence, adapting swiftly to Premier League physicality in winning challenges and showing his accomplished distribution. Back in Porto, even Anderson's staunchest supporters were stunned by the development of this hitherto-unsuspected side of the midfielder's game. He was important in the retention of the title, and came on right at the end of extra-time in the Champions League final to score his spot-kick as the match went to penalties. He also nervelessly converted the winning kick in the shoot-out against Tottenham in the following year's League Cup final.

But by Wembley 2009, many seasoned Anderson watchers had started to seriously worry if he had permanently sacrificed his attacking sparkle via his efforts to adapt to his club and to the English game in general. The not entirely dissimilar evolution of Keane from the buccaneering forward runs of his Nottingham Forest days shows that this had happened before, but one could argue that Premier League-era United have simply never had room for a maverick genius in the centre any of their formidable midfields, something perhaps borne out by the failure of Juan Sebástien Veron. It is unlikely, however, that Sir Alex would feel a prodigiously gifted dynamo with the imagination to seamlessly blend midfield with attack is not something that could add to his side, particularly with both Paul Scholes and Ryan Giggs in the twilights of their respective careers.

The truth may be that Anderson's injury simply set him back more than we initially assumed. Despite his contribution to Porto's 2007 title, he came back from his convalescence looking (understandably) a touch sluggish, and as if he was carrying a few extra pounds. Being assigned a more defensive role at United gave him a chance to conceal these difficulties, and we have seen little of his old acceleration in England, and this can make the difference between a fine player and a truly epochal one. Just ask Ronaldinho.

His clash with Sir Alex has the rumour mill grinding, firstly linking the player with a move to Lyon before reports emerged that Paris Saint-Germain had unsuccessfully tempted him with a loan switch to the capital, but it's difficult to see how either French club could afford his reputed £80,000 weekly wage.

With the World Cup on the horizon, even a temporary move back to Brazil with Vasco da Gama has been mooted. Anderson is a tougher character than Robinho, and certainly doesn't need any mollycoddling, but what he does need is for Ferguson to find a way to unlock his inner Ronaldinho -to give him back that spontaneity that he so enchanted us with as a teenager. The prospects that would bring for United, Brazil and the Premier League alike are truly mouthwatering.

Whatever happened to the next Ronaldinho? - Barclays Premier League - ESPN Soccernet

The title of this article gives the impression that it may lead to more negativity and criticism of Anderson, but the conclusions are promising. It's a pretty good summary of his career so far. People shouldnt forget his age because he is still far from the finished article. He doesnt need to play like Ronaldinho but he should become a creative attacking force. I dont think he's going anywhere and I dont want him too, surely it will take more patience to see the best of him. He's in good hands after all.
 
The "Next Ronaldinho" came with that Porto flair, it dissapeared when he joined us, so it's unfair to still bring that up.

But I read this earlier and it's pretty much my thoughts exactly.
 
There is a lot of nonsense talked about Anderson really being an attacking midfielder and United may have played him wrongly. I strongly disagree with this.
United quickly sussed out his correct position, real talent and limitations.
I am 100% certain even if he moves on United found him his correct position.
 
He's playing for the Reserves tonight according to Ben Hibbs' Twitter (Though the game looks like being called off)
 
The pitch was white when I called the ground an hour ago, they said a ref was on his way for a pitch inspection but it was almost certainly off. I'm calling back at about 1 to confirm.
 
Keep an eye on the reserve forum, I'll be posting in there when I've called the ground again to find out for definite whether it's on or off.
 
The "Next Ronaldinho" came with that Porto flair, it dissapeared when he joined us, so it's unfair to still bring that up.

But I read this earlier and it's pretty much my thoughts exactly.


AS that whole attacking thing at Porto is a myth imo. It cant disappear if was never actually there. He played further up the pitch and scored a few goals but in fairness some of the opposition in that league is terrible. To suggest even for one second that the lad ever was a flair player like Ronaldinho is just lazy journalism. They couldnt be more different if they tried.
 
feck.

He put in his best performances of the season after a game for the reserves and we're gonna need him over the next few weeks.

'Kin snow.

yeah about time too!!!!!! how long do we have to wait for another ?
dont rate this guy at all ! come the end of the season get rid and if the money is there buy ?
 
you were probably shite at football too at 21

Why do you even bother responding to people that clearly have no clue? And to be fair he is probably still shite at football.. Irrespective of his age..
 
Why do you even bother responding to people that clearly have no clue? And to be fair he is probably still shite at football.. Irrespective of his age..

I hate seeing spastic viewpoints go unchallenged.

Hey, if i can convince people on the internet that they are total muppets for writing off a champions league winning 21 year old then i can probably engineer world peace.
 
I hate seeing spastic viewpoints go unchallenged.

Hey, if i can convince people on the internet that they are total muppets for writing off a champions league winning 21 year old then i can probably engineer world peace.

Hey hey take it easy.. Lets not get ahead of ourselves here..
 
These are basically the exact same spastic comments that were said about Nani while he was absent from the team.
 
Hope he comes back soon a different player just like Nani!

Seconded. I think he's going through quite the same problems, Nani had.

Can't really imagine situation, where he's transfered to other club.

He got time to recharge and explode with talent just like Nani.

Let's wait maybe few weeks more and then we shall see what will happen.
 
He was apparently going to play in the reserve match against City on Thursday before it was called off, so I'd expect him to play against Burnley on Thursday night. Seems to be a form of punishment from SAF for his going awol recently.
 
He was apparently going to play in the reserve match against City on Thursday before it was called off, so I'd expect him to play against Burnley on Thursday night. Seems to be a form of punishment from SAF for his going awol recently.

R_Nick don't fall into that funnel of foolishness, nobody knoes what happened, don't assume !!!
 
Anderson insists he's happy to stay and fight for his place at Manchester United.

The Brazil midfielder has been in-and-out of the United first team for the past month.

He told manutdsoccerschools.com: "No footballer is happy when they are out of the team. If you’re not bothered being on the bench or in the stands you will never be successful, certainly not at a club like United. You have to be unhappy if you’re not in the team. But even when I am not included I always support my team-mates. I’d love to start every match, but when this doesn’t happen I support my colleagues because we’re a team and we stick together.

"I see it as a great challenge. It’s good to have competition around you because that’s the way to get the best out of players. If everyone is competing for places, the performance levels will always be higher."
 
R_Nick don't fall into that funnel of foolishness, nobody knoes what happened, don't assume !!!

Apologies Chris I only just saw this post!

You are right about making assumptions, but I have some concerns about Anderson's attitude and dedication, he is known for his regular partying and he needs to get himself straight as he has the potential in bucket loads.

I guess we will soon see SAF's thinking when we see the squad travelling to Villa on Wed night and if he doesn't feature in that and plays at Moss Lane on Thursday instead it's a fairly good indication that something has happened as there is no word of an injury as far as I'm aware.
 
You are right about making assumptions, but I have some concerns about Anderson's attitude and dedication, he is known for his regular partying and he needs to get himself straight as he has the potential in bucket loads.

Have I missed something? Aside from the arrival party with Nani and Ronaldo, I've not heard much about him being out and about in an untoward fashion?
 
My bosses daughter works in The Birdcage (a club in town) and he is known to be in there on a regular basis until the early hours. I've heard other rumblings but that I do know to be true.
 
you were probably shite at football too at 21

Mate I didn’t mean to contaminate your space with my ill informed, unintelligent comments about wonderful Anderson !!!after all you were most probably United’s top goal scorer at 21! …? In your dreams ! Anyway I don’t see what he has done since he has been at United apart from a few spots of good play. Are you the same type of person that were saying “Give Ming the merciless Veron time he’s real class”:lol::lol:Or “that Massimo Taibi is world Class!!!!:wenger::lol: and if you can remember? “That Gary Birtles :wenger::wenger:will be a United Legend just give him Time !!! Well he was a United Legend :devil:!!! just not the sort of Legend he would like to be remembered as ..lol lol lol
Anyway I don’t think Anderson (even with the help of HG Wells Time Machine) can show United fans much more than the average stuff hes been dishing out since signing in 2007 at a price of about 17 million !:eek::eek:
 
Instead of 'feck feck feck', Ando needs to get himself a wife and settle down.

Fergie should arrange for it to happen.
 
Mate I didn’t mean to contaminate your space with my ill informed, unintelligent comments about wonderful Anderson !!!after all you were most probably United’s top goal scorer at 21! …? In your dreams ! Anyway I don’t see what he has done since he has been at United apart from a few spots of good play. Are you the same type of person that were saying “Give Ming the merciless Veron time he’s real class”:lol::lol:Or “that Massimo Taibi is world Class!!!!:wenger::lol: and if you can remember? “That Gary Birtles :wenger::wenger:will be a United Legend just give him Time !!! Well he was a United Legend :devil:!!! just not the sort of Legend he would like to be remembered as ..lol lol lol
Anyway I don’t think Anderson (even with the help of HG Wells Time Machine) can show United fans much more than the average stuff hes been dishing out since signing in 2007 at a price of about 17 million !:eek::eek:

:lol:

In other news,this is for those who were getting ready to put his face on milk cartons.

Anderson insists he's happy to stay and fight for his place at Manchester United.

The Brazil midfielder has been in-and-out of the United first team for the past month.
Anderson insists he will stay and fight for Man Utd place | Premiership News | tribalfootball.com


He told manutdsoccerschools.com: "No footballer is happy when they are out of the team. If you’re not bothered being on the bench or in the stands you will never be successful, certainly not at a club like United. You have to be unhappy if you’re not in the team. But even when I am not included I always support my team-mates. I’d love to start every match, but when this doesn’t happen I support my colleagues because we’re a team and we stick together.

"I see it as a great challenge. It’s good to have competition around you because that’s the way to get the best out of players. If everyone is competing for places, the performance levels will always be higher."
 
Mate I didn’t mean to contaminate your space with my ill informed, unintelligent comments about wonderful Anderson !!!after all you were most probably United’s top goal scorer at 21! …? In your dreams ! Anyway I don’t see what he has done since he has been at United apart from a few spots of good play. Are you the same type of person that were saying “Give Ming the merciless Veron time he’s real class”:lol::lol:Or “that Massimo Taibi is world Class!!!!:wenger::lol: and if you can remember? “That Gary Birtles :wenger::wenger:will be a United Legend just give him Time !!! Well he was a United Legend :devil:!!! just not the sort of Legend he would like to be remembered as ..lol lol lol
Anyway I don’t think Anderson (even with the help of HG Wells Time Machine) can show United fans much more than the average stuff hes been dishing out since signing in 2007 at a price of about 17 million !:eek::eek:
Bookmarked for future reference.
 
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Mate I didn’t mean to contaminate your space with my ill informed, unintelligent comments about wonderful Anderson !!!after all you were most probably United’s top goal scorer at 21! …? In your dreams ! Anyway I don’t see what he has done since he has been at United apart from a few spots of good play. Are you the same type of person that were saying “Give Ming the merciless Veron time he’s real class”:lol::lol:Or “that Massimo Taibi is world Class!!!!:wenger::lol: and if you can remember? “That Gary Birtles :wenger::wenger:will be a United Legend just give him Time !!! Well he was a United Legend :devil:!!! just not the sort of Legend he would like to be remembered as ..lol lol lol
Anyway I don’t think Anderson (even with the help of HG Wells Time Machine) can show United fans much more than the average stuff hes been dishing out since signing in 2007 at a price of about 17 million !:eek::eek:
what the hell is this lol
 
Hopefully he can 'do a Nani' so to speak i.e have a few games out after a supposed bust up/disagreement or whatever did happen with the manager, take stock and come back fireing, if Nani can do it i see no reason why Anderson cant, just like Nani the tools are quite clearly there and simply speaking we will undoutedly need his services over the next 3 months.
 
Hopefully he can 'do a Nani' so to speak i.e have a few games out after a supposed bust up/disagreement or whatever did happen with the manager, take stock and come back fireing, if Nani can do it i see no reason why Anderson cant, just like Nani the tools are quite clearly there and simply speaking we will undoutedly need his services over the next 3 months.

For the next 3 years, Nedved needs his Davids and Conte.
 
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